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Almost 50% of Americans on government assistance

Posted on 07/09/2012 7:43:54 PM PDT by MaryLou1

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1 posted on 07/09/2012 7:44:02 PM PDT by MaryLou1
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To: MaryLou1

does that include Social Security retirement and medicare???


2 posted on 07/09/2012 7:45:42 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: MaryLou1

does that include Social Security retirement and medicare???


3 posted on 07/09/2012 7:45:42 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: elpadre

“...does that include Social Security retirement and medicare???”

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Does that include those working at useless, hideously inefficient government jobs?


4 posted on 07/09/2012 7:47:36 PM PDT by EyeGuy (Armed, judgmental, fiscally responsible heterosexual.)
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To: elpadre

does that include govt pensions?...of all kinds?


5 posted on 07/09/2012 7:50:06 PM PDT by cherry (Catholics for Romney)
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To: MaryLou1

1 in 3 on medicaid, foodstamps or some other government means (what ever that is)

if you include medicare, social security and unemployment it is about 1/2 of the population

these numbers are from 2010

“NEW YORK (CNNMoney) — More than one in three Americans lived in households that received Medicaid, food stamps or other means-based government assistance in mid-2010, according to a new report.

And when Social Security, Medicare and unemployment benefits are included, nearly half of the nation lived in a household that received a government check, according to the analysis of third-quarter 2010 Census data done by the Mercatus Center at George Mason University, a libertarian-leaning think tank. That’s more than 148 million Americans.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/07/news/economy";

I just posted this because things keep stacking up against getting obama out of the whitehouse
romney’s weakness sure doesn’t help


6 posted on 07/09/2012 7:56:28 PM PDT by MaryLou1
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To: MaryLou1
So, a family takes care of grandpa and now they are scum in your eyes because grandpa gets Social Security? (pssst, most of us on FR think it's acceptable for families to take care of their own).

I think your approach to analyzing the situation is cockeyed and should be ignored ~ particularly by you.

7 posted on 07/09/2012 8:00:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MaryLou1; wardaddy; CodeToad; Eaker; Squantos; Lurker; archy
That's why it's called The Tipping Point.


8 posted on 07/09/2012 8:02:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MaryLou1

The question assumes that people on government assistance want government assistance. Most folks on unemployment compensation would rather have jobs. Ditto for many people on welfare. Folks on Social Security are likely to be old enough to remember the way the country used to be and want their grandchildren to have a chance to grow up in America-as-America, rather than America-as-Peronist-Argentina, and are not, for the most part, of the entitlement mind-set, but rather expect the government to keep faith with them after taxing them all their working lives purportedly to provide them with a minimal pension.


9 posted on 07/09/2012 8:03:27 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: Travis McGee

Yep. We no longer have a constitutional republic, we have a democracy and the wolves are voting to eat the sheep.


10 posted on 07/09/2012 8:05:37 PM PDT by CodeToad (uired to vote for a treaty.)
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To: CodeToad

This is the stage where the parasites kill the host and then turn on each other.


11 posted on 07/09/2012 8:08:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: MaryLou1

This is why this nation is over. sad bt true.

you see it even on this site.


12 posted on 07/09/2012 8:08:53 PM PDT by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: muawiyah
"cockeyed"

You didn't ask but I'll tell you anyway. What I think is cockeyed is making an absurd declarative statement, putting the word 'So' in front of it and a question mark at the end of it and pretending it's a question.


13 posted on 07/09/2012 8:19:26 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: I see my hands

You missed the whole point. Did you bother to see the statement to which I made a response?


14 posted on 07/09/2012 8:25:12 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MaryLou1

Some on aid which is “supposed” to be temporary, e.g. foodstamps, might be looking back fondly at more prosperous times and want them back again.


15 posted on 07/09/2012 8:25:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: muawiyah

Government assistance is government assistance - part of the problem is that for everyone “my” assistance is deserved, but everyone else is a parasite.

The other problem is the belief that “I’m just getting back what I paid in.”

Look at the gyrations some people go through here to justify farm subsidies.....


16 posted on 07/09/2012 8:26:33 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: I see my hands

aka building a strawman or putting words in someone’s mouth


17 posted on 07/09/2012 8:26:49 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I want those days back again.

I’m in a good job, but most of my neighbors are not.

It gets worse every day.


18 posted on 07/09/2012 8:28:20 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: MaryLou1

In times like these, why would we attack our own industries?


19 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:28 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: MaryLou1

In times like these, why would we attack our own industries?


20 posted on 07/09/2012 8:32:40 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: Strategerist
Look what some people will do to allow families to keep grandparents present in the family circle.

You do realize the pontificators on this particular thread specifically stated that this involves anyone in a household getting government assistance, and if that's going on they are all just slackers.

Please read your nonsense before trying to tell me it's meaningful!

21 posted on 07/09/2012 8:34:40 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Talk straight and your points will be more clearly seen and regarded on their merit.

Just trying to be helpful, m, because you're a cool guy.


22 posted on 07/09/2012 8:36:05 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: MaryLou1

If we can somehow get Obama out and win the Senate, we must, MUST, M*U*S*T starting cutting back on government benefits. If we don’t, the takers will vote to take out money and give it to them.


23 posted on 07/09/2012 8:37:16 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: MaryLou1

If we can somehow get Obama out and win the Senate, we must, MUST, M*U*S*T starting cutting back on government benefits. If we don’t, the takers will vote to take our money and give it to them.


24 posted on 07/09/2012 8:38:00 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: I see my hands
I am reading the lead piece, and responding to specific comments on it.

Keeping grandpa upstairs in the family home, me and the wives on this floor, and the kids in the basement ~ some of them on unemployment, and grandpa on retirement and social security, and me running a fruit stand outside the Capitol Building ~ according to this piece we would all be slackers and ready to vote FOR the evil Obama and his running dog lackeys because we are so greatful!

That is utter nonsense.

25 posted on 07/09/2012 8:39:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Bryan24

Get the government out of the way of job creation and people will take care of themselves. Without jobs cutting back on food stamps, for example, will give you food lines at soup kitchens ~ which, I suppose, is probably efficient in its own way for distributing available stores, but it’s kind of third worldish.


26 posted on 07/09/2012 8:40:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: elpadre

Does this include tens of hundreds of thousand of government employees retiring at 50 years old with top self tax paid health care and those tax paid lottery style retirement benefits?


27 posted on 07/09/2012 8:43:57 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MaryLou1
No!!

Not government assistance.

Their neighbors' assistance (at gunpoint, by the way). And whoever else is paying taxes.

28 posted on 07/09/2012 8:48:43 PM PDT by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: MaryLou1

“How can Romney beat Obama when almost half of the country is on government assistance?”

They are entitled to Obama without voting for him aren’t they? They shouldn’t have to vote for him to get him right?

That’s how Obama gets beat...


29 posted on 07/09/2012 8:49:19 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: Lizavetta

Exactly. It doesn’t come from government, it comes from you and me, and that guy behind the tree.


30 posted on 07/09/2012 8:50:38 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: MaryLou1

Not every person on government assistance is a dumbed-down committed obamabot.

Lumping folks together into one single category tends to ignore the fact that tvery group of people is comprised of individuals who have their own thoughts and ideas that be in conflict with yours.


31 posted on 07/09/2012 8:54:15 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: muawiyah

muawiah

of course they aren’t scum-I did NOT mean to infer that

all SSecurity and medicare and unemployment recipients deserve their money-they paid into it!
if it comes down to taking care of your own take all you can get-ethics be damned-you are right

but if you come here or were here all your life and contribute nothing and never did, why should we pay for you?

why should we keep paying out and getting nothing back


32 posted on 07/09/2012 9:10:43 PM PDT by MaryLou1
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To: MaryLou1

The fear and desperation of dependency is real, it’s a plus for Obama and the dems this year. Though the GOP establishment is careful to ‘honor’ government’s parasitic children too.

Those who think the resentment of dependents is the same as the resentment of those who pay for it are ludicrous.

We may be past the tipping point for a return to America.


33 posted on 07/09/2012 9:12:15 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: All

I did not mean to lump everyone in a certain category-just was amazed that obama can still be that close (or beating) romney in the polls-it doesn’t make sense

IMHO he should be at 20 percent and romney at 60% at least

I was not trying to judge anyone-I get a (very) small amount of gvt assistance as well-I just can’t find a job (so far)

Just thinking out loud-the polls just make no sense to me-how can obama be so even with romney when things are so very bad?


34 posted on 07/09/2012 9:27:34 PM PDT by MaryLou1
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To: MaryLou1
Just thinking out loud-the polls just make no sense to me-how can obama be so even with romney when things are so very bad?

Many unionized employees, particularly public sector unions wouldn't consider voting for anything but a Democrat.

Then there are the "hard core democrats" who would vote for a dead man if he had a D after his name.

Add to that the race factor (yes, it is real for many).

And those brainwashed liberals who value animals over humans, environment over jobs, etc.

Not hard to get those groups to add up.

35 posted on 07/09/2012 9:43:57 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: muawiyah

“So, a family takes care of grandpa and now they are scum in your eyes because grandpa gets Social Security? (pssst, most of us on FR think it’s acceptable for families to take care of their own).”

Yeah, and that means not doing social security and actually, “looking after your own”, not getting the state to look after your own for you.

Just lost my grandmother. My aunt and my mother spent 3 years looking after her after my father died. We put her in an assisted living facility after she fell and got sick. Looked after her.

NO SOCIAL ASSISTANCE, whatsoever. Why are we paying for your family?


36 posted on 07/09/2012 10:05:06 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: muawiyah

“is probably efficient in its own way for distributing available stores, but it’s kind of third worldish”

Damn, so we better be givin’ the homeboys EBTs so they can look cool. Can’t be lookin’ all third world.

*BARF*.


37 posted on 07/09/2012 10:07:12 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: MaryLou1
"Just thinking out loud-the polls just make no sense to me-how can obama be so even with romney when things are so very bad?"
38 posted on 07/09/2012 10:09:13 PM PDT by Dogbert41 ("...The people of Jerusalem are strong, because the Lord Almighty is their God" Zech. 12:5)
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To: MaryLou1
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."

-- James Madison, the Father of the U.S. Constitution

39 posted on 07/09/2012 10:16:41 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (A Choice, not an Etch-A-Sketch. TomHoefling.com)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Yeah, and that means not doing social security

That would be all well and good, if the government would let us decide not to "do" Social Security. Unfortunately, I haven't had that choice for the last 40+ years that they have been taking my money for it. If wanting to get some of that back before the system goes broke makes me scum in your opinion, I really don't give a damn.

40 posted on 07/09/2012 10:38:35 PM PDT by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Strategerist

The other problem is the belief that “I’m just getting back what I paid in.”

Ummm...I will very gladly “cash out” my(and my employers) social security payments, with adjustments made to compensate me to an aggregate of A rated growth funds in the stock market over the last 40 years. With that, I’m pretty sure that I could retire right now. Thanks!


41 posted on 07/09/2012 10:42:18 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: dragnet2

That would not be the federal government employee now would it? Millions retiring at 50? LoL.


42 posted on 07/09/2012 10:53:22 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: MaryLou1

Maybe many voters are like you and won’t vote for the Disaster.

Some one should clearly explain to the voters that the Disaster is WRECKING Social Security to buy votes. It IS NOT BEING FUNDED.


43 posted on 07/09/2012 10:57:46 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: Bryan24
If we can somehow get Obama out and win the Senate, we must, MUST, M*U*S*T starting cutting back on government benefits.

It irks my husband and myself that people who shack up apparently don't have the income and lodging of their lover considered to lessen the benefit amount. Some around my area live in very nice homes and that "extra income" buys them the latest movies, music, restaurants, etc. A revamp needs to be done and reality needs to set in for those using the system as a source of "play money."

Also, like OSHA, those on disability should be monitored for abuse of that claim. Some who claim not to be able to sit for jury duty are riding around for hours on garden tractors and ATVs. I suspect the abuse is HUGE since I hear a simple telephone call questioning them is all the "proof" government needs to substantiate the recipient is being "truthful."

44 posted on 07/09/2012 11:01:15 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: MaryLou1
"More than one in three Americans lived in households that received Medicaid, food stamps or other means-based government assistance..."

Unfortunately ground temperature is the only sure cure for these parasites...

45 posted on 07/10/2012 12:24:40 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Hugin

That money you paid in has been spent already.

Now you’re demanding that the ponzi scheme continues after the investers above you have gotten their’s

Sorry, ponzi schemes are all based on a pyramid. What happens when the Pyramid inverts? There are not enough young people to keep it going.


46 posted on 07/10/2012 2:02:47 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: MaryLou1
“Just thinking out loud-the polls just make no sense to me-how can obama be so even with romney when things are so very bad?”

Obama is losing. What has changed for the better since 2010 elections? 2012 will be a repeat of 2010. Obama will lose big. Polls are wrong.

47 posted on 07/10/2012 4:54:30 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

The gub’mnt doesn’t give folks a choice. When it comes to Social Security the recipients actually think they paid for it. Technically they are wrong of course, but why should I tolerate zoning for another assisted care facility ~ keep those ol’folks at home in bed upstairs eh!


48 posted on 07/10/2012 6:14:35 AM PDT by muawiyah
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Please to observe ~ the polls that have Romney and Obama "even" also have both of them BELOW 50%.

Ask yourself why we are running an unpopular candidate.

49 posted on 07/10/2012 6:16:25 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dragnet2
Depends on which government ~ California and Michigan and Illinois have quite munificent state and local government retirement plans.

If you retire at 50 as a federal employee, and were hired in at the average age of 35 ~ that would mean you would have 15% of your high three average years salary. This would be discounted 2% per year for every year under 56. So that would be a 12% trim job on your 15%, leaving you with 3% of your high 3 annual salary.

Let's say that salary was $75,000 per annum. Your 3% retirement would amount to $2,250 per annum!

I know there are folks in this world who'd be happy to get that amount but Freepers?

50 posted on 07/10/2012 6:26:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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