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Almost 50% of Americans on government assistance

Posted on 07/09/2012 7:43:54 PM PDT by MaryLou1

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To: JCBreckenridge
What happens when the Pyramid inverts? There are not enough young people to keep it going.

Death panels - that's the fundamental fix for SS & Medicare.

51 posted on 07/10/2012 6:31:35 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: MaryLou1

I agree with a lot of this premise.

In a perverse way the Baraqqi Depression has actually improved his chances of re-election, because of all the dependency that has been created.

Not the “normal” political result of a bad economy.

And most of the “dependents” don’t understand that the FedGov is just like that family in 2007 riding a wave of false prosperity based on credit cards and helocs with two leased luxury cars and a McMansion with negative equity.


52 posted on 07/10/2012 6:35:00 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: MaryLou1

They wouldn’t be on assistance, and the government wouldn’t have any to give them, if we the productive people stopped paying taxes.
If you’re serious about saving America, quit enabling its killer leeches.
Actions, not words.


53 posted on 07/10/2012 7:23:06 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: muawiyah
Majority are going to vote AGAINST Obama.
54 posted on 07/10/2012 7:42:52 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: The_Reader_David

That is a POLLYANA VIEW for sure these days. I have been harping on this issue for some time.

There are only TWO real Classes in USA today:

(1) The PRODUCERS (These are people who work for a living, and actually CREATE something while doing so, that someone else is willing to expend effort to acquire. That definition obviously excludes ALL the leeches working in ANY gubmint job or “service” industry like wall streeters and the useless “case manager” crowd that got inserted between healthcare providers and patients who only push paper around to justify their existence.)

(2) The TAKERS (that’s everyone who is not in Class #1)

The ONLY justification for the polling numbers showing Obamination STILL anywhere close to Romney (ignoring the inherent bias in most polls caused by oversampling libtards)is rooted in this single fact of life in these United States today.

Like it or not, agreeing or not, the simple fact is that The TAKERS are fast approaching 51%. They are presently way above 40% and with the “enlightened” and “progressive” among the Independents, CLASS #2 often controls the issue of the moment.

November 2012 will indeed be the most critical election ever, because it will be our last chance to slow down the headlong rush towards the cliff edge.

WRT your comment about”

“Most folks on unemployment compensation would rather have jobs. Ditto for many people on welfare. “

Once again, I’m afraid you’re taking the Pollyana view. While your quantitative descriptors “Most” and “many” are at least debatable, the fact remains that there are WAY TOO MANY people who are just fine with gaming the system to collect unemployment until it runs out then get a new job just long enough to reset the UI clock.

And, there are legions of welfare supported baby factories out there who can’t and in fact don’t want to keep their legs together (or take advantage of all that “free” womens’ healthcare) because they can make a very comfortable living by popping new humans out as often as they can.

We are in VERY DEEP yogurt on this issue. It’s dire effects were foreseen long ago and we have not spent enough effort to protect this once great nation from the ravages that Class #2 is wreaking on the rest of us.


55 posted on 07/10/2012 8:15:26 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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To: CanuckYank

In general I agree with your comments.

That’s why the economic depression is not producing the expected mass disdain for Obama.

The Baraqqis have used the “crisis” to generate a significant number of govt dependents - 99ers, EBT, disability, etc.
We’re close to the tipping point, we’ll know for sure in November.


56 posted on 07/10/2012 8:19:50 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: MaryLou1

Social Security is NOT “government assistance,” it’s a mandatory Ponzi scheme screwing old people out of their life savings. It’s “government assistance” only in the sense that the government has been assisted by ripping off our hard-earned $$$ and giving back a portion while pocketing the rest.

It’s the citizens assisting the government, not the other way around.


57 posted on 07/10/2012 8:26:26 AM PDT by cookcounty (Kagan and Sotomayor side with Joe Wilson: -------Obama DID lie!)
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To: arrogantsob
Does this include tens of hundreds of thousand of government employees retiring at 50 years old with top self tax paid health care and those tax paid lottery style retirement benefits?

That would not be the federal government employee now would it? Millions retiring at 50?

No. You live in a cave?

Local, city, county and state government employees such as cops, bureaucrats, fire departments and all the other tens of hundreds of thousands of unionized, over paid, non-federal government employees are literally choking private sector America off.

Where ya been?

58 posted on 07/10/2012 9:25:45 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: muawiyah

Ya seen any nut cases around here suggesting federal employees are no different than private sector, are underpaid, have lousy benefits, with millions being laid off?


59 posted on 07/10/2012 9:31:09 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: muawiyah
So you agree with Obama, "The private sector is fine, it's the government employees who need the help".

Yukyukyuk...

I'd bet money, at least 40 percent of people posting here are on the tax paid government welfare teet.

60 posted on 07/10/2012 9:35:10 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: nascarnation

Yep, exactly so. Hey, isn’t it awesome that states like Oregon now have an assisted suicide law - people can help you kill yourself, legally too!

It’s like they had this plan all along.


61 posted on 07/10/2012 9:35:28 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: dragnet2

“I’d bet money, at least 40 percent of people posting here are on the tax paid government welfare teet.”

Why do you think so many are defending their social security checks? Government assistance is ok, apparently.


62 posted on 07/10/2012 9:39:47 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: dragnet2

“I’d bet money, at least 40 percent of people posting here are on the tax paid government welfare teet.”

Why do you think so many are defending their social security checks? Government assistance is ok, apparently.


63 posted on 07/10/2012 9:39:47 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: dragnet2
Hmm ~ could be. Maybe not. The key argument in the article is that 50% of households have somebody on government funding.

So, how big is a household?

You cannot draw the conclusion that half the country is on the dole based on that sort of contention.

64 posted on 07/10/2012 9:43:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dragnet2
Hmm ~ could be. Maybe not. The key argument in the article is that 50% of households have somebody on government funding.

So, how big is a household?

You cannot draw the conclusion that half the country is on the dole based on that sort of contention.

65 posted on 07/10/2012 9:43:18 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JCBreckenridge

I wasn’t referring to SS slick.

Try reading the posts.

You’re another overpaid government employee who helped loot SS?


66 posted on 07/10/2012 9:43:18 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Like to add just to be brutally frank if you use the government's money (as opposed to gold dust and silver shavings) you are certainly tightly wrapped around ol'mother government fur shur.

That's nearly 100% ~ not just 50%.

67 posted on 07/10/2012 9:44:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JCBreckenridge
Funny, how after corrupt, bloated evil government looted Social Security, people like you run out here claiming Social Security is now suddenly welfare.

I find that and you very suspect...

68 posted on 07/10/2012 9:46:37 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
The federal government has had essentially no growth for the last 50 years (in terms of employment).

If you laid them off and started with the Generals and research scientists I'm sure the private sector could find jobs for that crowd pretty quick.

Most proposals have been to start with the janitors though, or the retirees! (which is just hilarious).

Did you know you could fire 100% of all the federal employees and that wouldn't put a dent in the deficit.

69 posted on 07/10/2012 9:48:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dragnet2; JCBreckenridge
One big chunk of the national debt consists of money owed to Social Security.

The folks who want to get rid of Social Security imagine that the government can simply cancel the system and that debt will disappear.

Which, of course, is nonsense. What would more likely happen (in this very theoretical situation) is the people to whom it is owed would demand a refund (so you'd have to pay all of it back right now), or there'd be violence of a very selective sort ~

We are stuck with the debt, payments will be made, Congress will live to see another day.

70 posted on 07/10/2012 9:53:17 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The federal government has had essentially no growth for the last 50 years

Oh gezzz...I made the mistake of posting to muwiwa...I forgot, you're a freaking nutcase, no offense though...

See ya!

71 posted on 07/10/2012 9:54:31 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Hmm ~ I don't like the guy; you don't like the guy; even his wife thinks he stinks.

On the other hand the Democrats love Romney ~ which is why he will lose.

72 posted on 07/10/2012 9:56:28 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: The_Reader_David

I know of a couple with two kids, that once BOTH had jobs. He an admin of some sort and she an RN. They slowly became addicted to gambling of any form, mostly video games and VFW bingo, etc.

Round about the time when Obama became elected, both of them ‘lost’ their jobs. Their daughter supposedly has epilepsy and is on SSI/DI I guess (she never worked). Neither of them still has a job although I’ll be damned if I can figure out how an RN can’t get a job.

Both of them are complete slobs, on UIC, getting disability money for their daughter. If you could take a gander at their wallets, there’s likely EBT and SNAP documentation there. Their car is adorned with Obama sticker.

I listen to them occasionally, they complain how tough it is for them, yet put $20 bills in the video games consistently. They can’t scratch up a hundred dollars between them, yet they can gamble. Overheard the wife the other day - their home airconditioner broke down and they didn’t have enough to repair it - they went and bought three $60 window airconditioners and are dumb enough to claim “the electric bill is less.” They know their house looks like white trash central but don’t care. Their likely unrepossessed PT Cruiser has two completely bald front tires. In short they are leeching, disgusting sloths.

They will NEVER go back to work because all they do is show up in what looks like the clothes they slept in and gamble each morning. They then proceed to make their ‘rounds’. If I knew where to call, I’d drop a dime on them with whoever is responsible for making sure the daughter with epilepsy is being taken care of with the money we give them.

There is no value added with these two. I’m afraid their type outnumber the legitimately needy people who don’t intend to be leeches.


73 posted on 07/10/2012 9:58:13 AM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: dragnet2

You are a case of cracked nuts ~ if you catch my drift.


74 posted on 07/10/2012 10:09:42 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JCBreckenridge

We’ll see how you do when Mom throws you out of her basement.


75 posted on 07/10/2012 10:15:35 AM PDT by Starstruck
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To: muawiyah
Romney will win because this is not about loving Romney, but hating Obama’s policies. In 2010, majority voted against Obama and in 2012 will be same thing. No one is going to switch to Obama and more Independents will vote against him.

I would vote for a Mark Levin book as it has more spine than a Republican, but the ballot is Mitt or Barack.

76 posted on 07/10/2012 10:27:25 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
I heard Democrats tell us that this is not about loving the Hump, but hating Nixon's policies.

The Hump then lost in a staggering Nixonian runaway, and 4 years later Nixon once again beat the hapless George McGovern and old what's his name ~ Shriver. I mean it was incredible, and the Dems assured everybody Nixon was a crook, had evil things in mind, would keep on running the war ~ oh he was awful.

They told us we didnt' have to love McGovern to agree with him.

The public ignored the propagandists.

77 posted on 07/10/2012 11:36:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The Hump then lost in a staggering Nixonian runaway...

You must be too young to remember 1968. It was a close election, and we didn't know until the next day that Nixon had won. It wasn't a runaway.

78 posted on 07/10/2012 11:39:53 AM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: muawiyah
You think Obama will win, fine, we disagree. The choice is Romney or Obama, we cannot change that. Done. Like them, hate them, matters not. This is the choice. I believe 2010 was the beginning, not the end.
79 posted on 07/10/2012 11:42:55 AM PDT by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: Publius
You forgot George Wallace!

The anti Democrat vote was INCREDIBLE ~

80 posted on 07/10/2012 1:29:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I didn't forget Wallace at all. The fact that Wallace captured as many states as he did meant that either Nixon would win, or that Wallace would throw it into the House.

There is a little bit of history that wasn't known until a few years ago.

During the campaign, Humphrey stated that if the election went into the House, he would refuse to negotiate with Wallace, and he challenged Nixon to make the same pledge. Nixon merely laughed at him. Everyone knew that if Wallace captured enough electoral votes to throw it into the House, Nixon would have been on the first plane to Montgomery to make a deal.

What Humphrey didn't know was that if Wallace made it happen, Mayor Daley of Chicago was going to take Humphrey by the scruff of the neck -- with Lyndon Johnson's blessings -- take the next available flight to Montgomery, strap on his kneepads, and give Wallace whatever it took to get the presidency. That would have been something to see. Humphrey would have had to sell out the entire civil rights revolution to get the presidency.

81 posted on 07/10/2012 1:37:57 PM PDT by Publius (Leadershiup starts with getting off the couch.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

I don’t think Obama wins. Quite the contrary, I think the GOP-e is putting him back into office by running Romney.


82 posted on 07/10/2012 3:21:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Gaffer
There was a time ~ 6 years back ~ when we had a shortage of RNs. Then the Great Obama Recession happened and all the elective surgery was put off for later ~ and there went the jobs.

My niece discovered as she was graduating with her RN that there were no open RN Positions in the entire state of California.

The daughter in law, who is an RN, in a major East Coast facility reported that they too had no open positions.

Someplace somebody has an opening ~ but it's not like it was. For one thing no one is offering to pay back your tuition just to get you into a cardiac surgery suite.

Over in DC where the nurses are all unionized no one has threatened to strike for a very long time.

83 posted on 07/10/2012 7:10:57 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MaryLou1; Sirius Lee; lilycicero; glock rocks; JPG; Monkey Face; RIghtwardHo; pieces of time; ...

Can anyone put real numbers and sourced data to this claim?


84 posted on 07/10/2012 7:13:21 PM PDT by narses
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To: Starstruck

Some of us actually care for our parents and look after them. Some of us let the government do it for them.


85 posted on 07/10/2012 7:32:37 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: dragnet2

When did I ever claim it was ‘suddenly’ welfare. It’s always been welfare.

I find it funny that it stops being ‘welfare’ when you start getting checks. Odd that. ;)


86 posted on 07/10/2012 7:33:41 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: dragnet2

I’m a private school teacher who would love to be able to afford to get married, and buy a house. I share an apartment when I’m not home looking after my family.

On my own dime.

How ‘bout you sport?


87 posted on 07/10/2012 7:34:50 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: muawiyah

“We are stuck with the debt, payments will be made, Congress will live to see another day.”

What is going to happen is that the government is going to try to inflate the payments away so that your money is worthless.

Thanks boomers! Good thing you stuck it to the man!


88 posted on 07/10/2012 7:36:22 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge
Tell me if I'm right...So according to you, Ma an Pa in the Texas panhandle and Aunt Betty in Arkansas who all worked decades, where tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars from their incomes were confiscated by the government, are nothing but fat welfare cheats who are not entitled to their money taken by government over the decades?

Is that what your suggesting Mr. Breckenridege?

89 posted on 07/10/2012 7:41:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Please don’t hate me. I enlisted at 17 and served four years. After a nine month break, I hired on with the DOD. I spent my whole career with them. While employed, I went to night school on the GI Bill. I am retired from the DOD. I’ve been on the gummint dole most of my life. Please don’t hate me.


90 posted on 07/10/2012 7:45:48 PM PDT by Ax
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To: Ax

You gave your life for your country. Wish I could say the same. :)

The deal is you give your life, and your country should take care of you. I don’t include vets in with that, you earned every penny of your pension.


91 posted on 07/10/2012 8:01:07 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: dragnet2

“Tell me if I’m right...So according to you, Ma an Pa in the Texas panhandle and Aunt Betty in Arkansas who all worked decades, where tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars from their incomes were confiscated by the government, are nothing but fat welfare cheats who are not entitled to their money taken by government over the decades?

Is that what your suggesting Mr. Breckenridege?”

Is it right to steal from other people because other people steal from you?

Hey, here’s the deal. You steal from us, we’re going to break the chain, finally, and kill social security. If it means paying out the boomers and grandfathering them so that they steal every dime they can before the lights turn out, then so be it.

But I’m not going to do that to my kids, what you are doing to us. It ends here with us.


92 posted on 07/10/2012 8:06:05 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge
So according to you, Ma an Pa in the Texas panhandle and Aunt Betty in Arkansas who all worked decades, where tens of hundreds of thousands of dollars from their incomes were confiscated by the government, are nothing but fat welfare cheats and thieves, who are not entitled to their money taken by government over the decades?

Is this correct?

93 posted on 07/10/2012 8:51:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: JCBreckenridge
(Social Security) It’s always been welfare.

So all these old people never contributed to SS?

94 posted on 07/10/2012 8:57:26 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: muawiyah

http://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/registered-nurse

Banner Box - Unemployment rate for RNs is 5.5% - which many consider to be full employment. An RN, especially with experience that wants to work can find work. The point of my comment was how these two are cheating us all.


95 posted on 07/11/2012 1:55:33 AM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: dragnet2

When it was first instituted? No. They sure did collect though.


96 posted on 07/11/2012 2:37:20 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: dragnet2

They are entitled to their money.

They are not entitled to mine. There’s a difference.


97 posted on 07/11/2012 2:39:10 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: JCBreckenridge
hmm ~ only reason to inflate your money is you don't have any assets to liquidate.

The United States of America has trillions in assets.

98 posted on 07/11/2012 3:02:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JCBreckenridge

What about our retired Military. Their pensions are adding to the deficit. Are they on the Public Dole too?


99 posted on 07/11/2012 3:09:11 AM PDT by Starstruck
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To: Gaffer
The RNs have the unemployment rate. The employers don't. They don't need to hire and they aren't hiring.

Remember the 'shortate'? It disappeared! The Philippines are backed up to the gunnels with unemployed RNs, as is Indonesia and other places that were filling our needs.

100 posted on 07/11/2012 3:21:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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