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Thousands of Americans trek to Alabama to witness woman who 'can see the Virgin Mary'
UK Daily Mail ^ | July 10, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 07/10/2012 6:22:06 AM PDT by C19fan

A visit from a Croatian woman who claims to see the Virgin Mary on a daily basis drew thousands of people to a small Alabama town this week. Many people travelled for days to be near the self-proclaimed visionary while one Washington woman even sold her home to take the trip. Despite skepticism of prominent Catholics, the faithful said they trekked to Sterrett with hopes of hearing a message from the mother of Jesus, witnessing miracles and receiving direction about how to follow their faith. The woman at the center of the gathering, Marija Pavlovic Lunetti, said she saw the apparition or appearance of Mary in 1981 at age 16 with a group of five other youth in Medjugorje, then part of Yugoslavia. Gina Hall, 49, of Washington, D.C., said she sold her condo and most of her possessions to drive to Birmingham and begin a life of discipleship.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Alabama
KEYWORDS: catholic; mary
I am Catholic and this is an embarrassment.
1 posted on 07/10/2012 6:22:17 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan
I am Catholic and this is an embarrassment.

Lot's of delusional people out there. The one idiot woman sold her house and her possessions etc. She is retired at age 49..oh yeah she is a RETIRED gov't worker.

2 posted on 07/10/2012 6:30:25 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence - Christopher Hitchen)
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To: C19fan

there use to be woman in Wisconsin that could see the virgin Mary also. (Made millions off the gullible.)


3 posted on 07/10/2012 6:30:25 AM PDT by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt.")
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To: C19fan

Articles like this are put in British papers to mock Christians. Take a look at the comments under the article — a large number of them are trashing Christians as stupid and damning Christianity. The articles are simply a way to generate traffic from bigots who want an outlet for their Christian-bashing.


4 posted on 07/10/2012 6:30:35 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: C19fan

I believe the whole point is for others to be able to see Christ in us.


5 posted on 07/10/2012 6:34:33 AM PDT by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: chainsaw
(Made millions off the gullible.)

A guy I work with is hardcore and believes this stuff. Gave me a postcard of the the image of Mary on a window at a bank in Florida...really believes that is a sign from her. I just do double facepalm.jpgs.

6 posted on 07/10/2012 6:34:37 AM PDT by trailhkr1 (That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence - Christopher Hitchen)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

I understand your point but it is the truth there are these people who throw reason aside and fall for snake oil salesmen like this woman. I had come across people like this and you never hear from the pulpit warnings about frauds like this.


7 posted on 07/10/2012 6:36:26 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

While perhaps not approved by “The Church” nor some other catholics, this is the beast they created. It didn’t form out of a vacuum. This ‘oracle’ is basing her ‘visions’ off of doctrine and teachings that have permeated The Church either currently or in the past. Millions upon millions believe this stuff and there is a large portion of The Church that still pushes it (ahem south of the border perhaps). I feel no sympathy for either The Church nor those who flock to these things.


8 posted on 07/10/2012 6:40:14 AM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: C19fan

I think I’ll hold out for the one who can see Jesus himself. I’m not selling my house and moving to Alabama for a chance to see the see-er of assistant coach.

I have standards, don’t ya know !!


9 posted on 07/10/2012 6:40:25 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: C19fan
Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

John 20:29

10 posted on 07/10/2012 6:40:46 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
Articles like this are put in British papers to mock Christians.

They're not making this stuff up.

It's wrong to trash ALL Christians because of the acts of a few, but people who see Jesus/Mary/whatever in shower mold / burnt toast / tree bark deserve to be mocked.

11 posted on 07/10/2012 6:41:29 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: C19fan
Marija Pavlovic Lunetti

Marija Pavlovic Lunettic. Corrected.

12 posted on 07/10/2012 6:41:29 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: C19fan

Behold the Obammy voters.

in Alabammy where else?


13 posted on 07/10/2012 6:47:05 AM PDT by Gasshog (Tragically,Obama ate the blue dog...)
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To: C19fan

Medjugorje is a fraud and has been proclaimed that by the local bishops.

However a lot of apologists are out there defending their gravy train from drying up.


14 posted on 07/10/2012 6:47:05 AM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Izzy Dunne

Its a choice of what to emphasize. People do stupid things every day. People con other people every day. The question is what do you highlight? British papers tend to be the ones writing about people who see Jesus in burnt toast and who can talk to God. There are a number of schizophrenics who talk to God or who think they are Napoleon. Do we see articles in the Telegraph about them?

The institutionalization of prejudice always works this way. In the early days of film, it was Step-n-Fetchit. Were there some blacks who were that stupid and ignorant? Yes. But most weren’t. But blacks were portrayed that way in the media to get bigoted whites to view the movies and read the articles. Same here. The Telegraph puts these articles in the paper to get bigots to read the stories and feel superior.


15 posted on 07/10/2012 6:47:22 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: C19fan
More important than whether it is an "embarrassment" or not -- we are supposed to be "fools for Christ," after all -- is the hard, cold fact that the only official, on-the-record opinions ever registered on this alleged apparition by the hierarchy are disapproving. Medjugorje has been notorious for the disobedience of the seers and the Franciscan priests who support them to their bishop. The Blessed Virgin would never countenance disobedience to legitimate commands made by legitimate authorities within the Church like that.

Even approved private revelations are merely like little bits of candy the Heavenly Father gives to wayward, disobedient children to strengthen their fragile faith.

Mature Catholic Christians should understand that the real encounter with the Living Jesus takes place at Mass and in one's personal prayer life, the real "messages" are in the Bible, and the real "visionaries" that ought to inspire us are the saints and the stories of their lives. And when they understand that, they don't need to run after "apparitions" and "visions".

16 posted on 07/10/2012 6:47:55 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: C19fan

I see this as a way that people who may not be as well educated or as intelligent as your average freeper seek communion with God. It can make me sad if people exploit this innocence but it is something that has been going on since the days of the cave men. Probably me and Mr. Mercat going to Italy with our parish this year is not much different. At least for me its a pilgrimage.


17 posted on 07/10/2012 6:48:40 AM PDT by Mercat (Necessity is the argument of tyrants. John Milton)
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To: CrappieLuck

We’ll all see Him pretty soon...

I hope “soon” is in my lifetime.


18 posted on 07/10/2012 6:51:22 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Well said.


19 posted on 07/10/2012 6:51:31 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: brent13a

and your views on scientology?


20 posted on 07/10/2012 6:57:57 AM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: C19fan

[facepalm]

Yeah.


21 posted on 07/10/2012 7:00:21 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Depone serpentem et ab veneno gradere.)
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To: C19fan

Reminds me of a local story where a woman saw Mary in a pane of glass of her window. They tried to remove the window and the glass broke. I had never seen such wailing and gnashing of teeth.


22 posted on 07/10/2012 7:06:30 AM PDT by nhoward14
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To: yldstrk
and your views on scientology?

I'm an odd duck. I'm a follower of what The Catholic Church would call "Primitive Christianity" or "The Jerusalem Church", I don't adhere to the gentile mission. Therefore, my viewpoints are at odds with both christians and messianics (as most messianics are actually just christian-zionists). Probably the only viewpoints I agree with christians and messianics on are the viewpoints on flat-out pagan cults like scientology. I base my religious following off of both historical provenance and theological provenance because you just don't always get the truth from either. I'll leave it at that. This isn't really the venue for me to try to explain why I chose the "Primitive Christianity" of "The Jerusalem Church" over modern christianity.
23 posted on 07/10/2012 7:07:36 AM PDT by brent13a (Glenn Beck is an a$$hat.)
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To: nhoward14

Yes, much worship of the made up Goddess Mary.


24 posted on 07/10/2012 7:14:02 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: brent13a

The Church says nothing more than that Mary said, at the first miracle, the Wedding a Cana, “Do whatever He tells you”.

The Churchalso says that appearances at Mejugorjie have NOT been verified as miraculous.

The Church also says of those apparitions which have been verified, that it is not compulsory for the faithful to believe them.

Facts and truth.


25 posted on 07/10/2012 7:24:42 AM PDT by stanne
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To: C19fan

I can see her too (shhhh don’t tell anyone)


26 posted on 07/10/2012 7:46:44 AM PDT by Mr. K (OBAMA MUST BE STOPPED ROMNEY/GINGRICH)
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To: C19fan

It’s interesting how so many people can believe in ouiji boards, but not something like this.


27 posted on 07/10/2012 7:49:00 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: stuartcr
It’s interesting how so many people can believe in ouiji boards, but not something like this.

Particularly in light of the scientific studies associated with this woman and the others, which make it difficult to completely dismiss out of hand.

http://www.medjugorje.com/medjugorje/scientific-studies/627-specific-tests-administered-to-the-medjugorje-visionaries-and-their-results.html

28 posted on 07/10/2012 8:15:41 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: throwback
"Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” John 20:29 "

One of my least favorite verses... "Blind Faith" is the most blessed? how convenient...

29 posted on 07/10/2012 8:35:18 AM PDT by Mr. K (OBAMA MUST BE STOPPED ROMNEY/GINGRICH)
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To: C19fan
The bishop of Mostar-Duvno has made it clear on several occassions : Non constat de supernaturalitate!

You can go to the website for the diocese here and read the opinion for yourself (anyone who is interested). It's a pretty thorough job.

It is sad that we have those that are misled. Sadder still that those outside the faith will take opportunities like this to deride Catholicism.

Slightly off topic, look up the story of Gemma di Giorgi - fascinating. As is the story of the miracle of Lanciano.


30 posted on 07/10/2012 8:42:58 AM PDT by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: BlatherNaut

I guess leaps of faith are different for different folks.


31 posted on 07/10/2012 8:43:43 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: throwback

I understand leaps of faith, but doesn’t God already know who will have or already has taken the required leap of faith?


32 posted on 07/10/2012 8:48:08 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

These articles generate a lot of revenue. It’s just business.


33 posted on 07/10/2012 8:50:42 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Mr. K

Yep, much of what He said was offensive then and now. We haven’t changed. He asks the impossible, but God...


34 posted on 07/10/2012 8:58:00 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: stuartcr

I don’t know either. It seems like a contradiction. He asks us to have faith. As if we do it under our own power, but then other scripture indicates that even faith is a gift. I know I believe, but I don’t know why. I know one other thing. I can’t argue someone else into believing.


35 posted on 07/10/2012 9:23:41 AM PDT by throwback (The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: Shadow44

Your facts are a bit off....

The local bishop did in fact have negative things to say about the apparitions and tried to forbid folks from visiting. That was however overruled by the Vatican and the Church’s official stance is something like....at the moment the supernatural nature cannot be confirmed, however pilgrims ARE NOT forbidden to visit. As a general rule the Vatican doesn’t rule positively for these things until the apparitions are done. They do however rule quickly if there is obvious problems or they feel that it may lead the flock astray.

I have been to the original site back in 2000 and there were hundreds of priests accompanying pilgrims and con-celebrating Mass. Another metric that the Vatican uses to assess these situations is the “Fruit”. The good fruit from Medj. has been phenomenal.

As with any of these things, discernment is needed.

Cheers,


36 posted on 07/10/2012 9:28:47 AM PDT by PsyOps
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To: C19fan

Those folks could have saved a great deal of money.

For only $100, I would have been willing to send them a piece of toast.


37 posted on 07/10/2012 9:35:56 AM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: throwback

I agree.


38 posted on 07/10/2012 9:42:12 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Mercat

I agree. If it is not hurting anyone and it is bringing people closer to Jesus then why be so critical. I believe Mary has come and spoke to people. Medegorgia and Lordes France and Caraballa Spain. I mean bringing people to JEsus through his mother is not a bad thing.


39 posted on 07/10/2012 10:05:44 AM PDT by crazydad (-` sd)
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To: crazydad

I spoke with her this morning.


40 posted on 07/10/2012 3:23:37 PM PDT by Mercat (Necessity is the argument of tyrants. John Milton)
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