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America Has Too Many Teachers
The Wall Street Journal ^ | July 10, 2012 | ANDREW J. COULSON

Posted on 07/10/2012 5:14:22 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

President Obama said last month that America can educate its way to prosperity if Congress sends money to states to prevent public school layoffs and "rehire even more teachers." Mitt Romney was having none of it, invoking "the message of Wisconsin" and arguing that the solution to our economic woes is to cut the size of government and shift resources to the private sector. Mr. Romney later stated that he wasn't calling for a reduction in the teacher force—but perhaps there would be some wisdom in doing just that.

Since 1970, the public school workforce has roughly doubled—to 6.4 million from 3.3 million—and two-thirds of those new hires are teachers or teachers' aides. Over the same period, enrollment rose by a tepid 8.5%. Employment has thus grown 11 times faster than enrollment. If we returned to the student-to-staff ratio of 1970, American taxpayers would save about $210 billion annually in personnel costs.

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1 posted on 07/10/2012 5:14:26 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Unfortunately, many of the teachers are morons, who have taken endless, countless courses in such idiotic arcana as “Lesson Planning” and other useless tommyrot, while, at the same time having little knowledge of their subject.

Moreover, far too many are dedicated and doctrinaire Leftists, more interested in indoctrinating the young in a peculiar variety of Marxism which asserts in an utterly tiresome manner that, “Marxism could work if only it were done right.”

As all such idiots, they like to pretend that the failures of the USSR, Red China, Vietnam, Cuba, Cambodia, and on and on, never happened or were somehow anomalous.

That would be bad enough; however they also seek to instill in the young their warped values and childish view of history.

America needs far fewer such characters, not more of them.


2 posted on 07/10/2012 5:26:52 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: MinorityRepublican

America has too many people who can’t teach pretending to be teachers.


3 posted on 07/10/2012 5:28:55 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1266 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: Jack Hammer
While your complaints about their politics are at least partially true, too many of those hired are not teachers.

Since 1970, the public school workforce has roughly doubled—to 6.4 million from 3.3 million—and two-thirds of those new hires are teachers or teachers' aides.

I wonder how many of those teachers are actually in the classroom. How many teachers aides did they have in 1970? Biggest thing that needs to be done for almost all public school systems is review how many administrators they have and get rid of the excess number, it will make balancing the budget much easier.

4 posted on 07/10/2012 5:37:40 PM PDT by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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Thanks MinorityRepublican.
Employment has thus grown 11 times faster than enrollment. If we returned to the student-to-staff ratio of 1970, American taxpayers would save about $210 billion annually in personnel costs.
We'd also have better public education if we replaced them with Speak-and-Spells.


5 posted on 07/10/2012 5:43:38 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Fraxinus

Add in all the social workers, speech therapists, psychologists, special needs teachers, etc. and it’s not hard to figure out why it averages $12,000 per student.


6 posted on 07/10/2012 5:43:38 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Privatize education—all of it.


7 posted on 07/10/2012 5:51:26 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: null and void
Damn right. I finished elementary school in the late 1960's. 40 kids to the classroom were the norm and we had teachers who could actually teach.

They weren't paid all that well either. Most of them could be seen working various odd jobs in the summer or other times school was not in session. One of our best music teachers found out what the district was paying sending musical instruments off to Minneapolis for repairs. He offered to do them in his basement at a fraction of the price.

He was so good that, next thing you knew, neighboring school districts started sending their instruments to him as well. He ended up retiring from teaching and going into the business full time. His timing couldn't have been better. For it was about that time the NEA got salaries pushed up along with a lot of bs restrictions on hiring and on allowing teachers to do outside work. They wanted them beholden to only the union.

8 posted on 07/10/2012 5:55:06 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MinorityRepublican

In our small town elementary school, there are more school personnel who are not teachers than actual classroom teachers.


9 posted on 07/10/2012 6:00:13 PM PDT by Montanabound
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To: MinorityRepublican

The problem in my humble opinion is we have too few teachers and far too many union members....

Teachiing at one time was considered a “calling” as in your life had a higher purpose ....

Now most teachers are basically union tools....


10 posted on 07/10/2012 6:03:28 PM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: Fraxinus

Myself, I think the best thing that could be done for American education is to utterly abolish all these degrees in “education,” and make sure that a teacher teaching English, for example, knows the use of English - vocabulary, syntax, and grammar.

But, yes, the proliferation of bureaucrats - i.e., characters who know absolutely nothing about anything except how to trip up others for not observing an encyclopedia of rules - is a horrendous problem not only in education, but throughout society.


11 posted on 07/10/2012 6:21:46 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: MinorityRepublican

They are not educated to “educate”- they are educated to “transform”. Scan a book list at a College near you in education department - particularly at the Graduate level, and look for Friere & Dewey. The goal of “transformative education” is not education - but social change, the same as the messiah in th White House.

And if you look at the values of our young ones passed to them by government education - it is working, especially as illustrated by the youth vote in 2008.


12 posted on 07/10/2012 6:21:46 PM PDT by pineybill
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To: null and void

Leaving no teacher behind.


13 posted on 07/10/2012 6:55:50 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: MinorityRepublican

It’s not the teachers, it’s the administrators....you could get rid of 90% of them and not miss a beat.


14 posted on 07/10/2012 6:57:35 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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15 posted on 07/10/2012 6:58:52 PM PDT by narses
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To: pineybill

When I entered first grade, there was no Head Start, and there were at least 40 kids in that class; but we were reading simple stories by the end of the year. Two reasons why: (1) the kids were under control and ready to earn (I got my mouth taped shut once for talking out of turn and eventually completed graduate school despite that act of “child abuse”; and (2)phonics were used to teach reading


16 posted on 07/10/2012 7:00:10 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (Socon-Econ)
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To: MinorityRepublican
America Has Too Many unqualified/overpaid Teachers

There, that's more like it!

17 posted on 07/10/2012 7:03:51 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (I hate pragmatists!)
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18 posted on 07/10/2012 7:08:54 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I don’t know about teachers, but definitely too many administrators. There are something three administrators for every teacher in educational districts.


19 posted on 07/10/2012 7:29:55 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
click here for a great link as to what the teachers unions don't want us to see or know.

20 posted on 07/10/2012 7:34:03 PM PDT by B-Cause (The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money - Thatcher)
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To: Vigilanteman
I finished elementary school in the late 1960's. 40 kids to the classroom were the norm and we had teachers who could actually teach.

I recall 30+ as the norm circa 1960. Basically 6X5 desks in a room with a partial 6th row.

22 posted on 07/10/2012 7:46:39 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: pineybill

Ugh! Don’t get me started on Dewey. Horrible educator.


23 posted on 07/10/2012 8:48:12 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas, Texas, Whisky)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wrong headline. America has too many “educators” and way too few teachers.


24 posted on 07/11/2012 4:29:37 AM PDT by jammer
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To: Jack Hammer
I am a teacher, and yes I agree we have a lot of idiotic teachers out there.

What I don't understand is how Barry demands that the government needs to hire more teachers, when its the districts themselves that do the hiring according to their needs.

Another zero rant that goes nowhere when you understand the truth behind it.

25 posted on 07/11/2012 5:13:46 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: MinorityRepublican
America Has Too Many Bad Teachers
26 posted on 07/11/2012 5:16:42 AM PDT by Harley
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To: Fraxinus

Agreed. Getting rid of one administrator equals cutting 2-3 teachers.
But every teacher in a “rubber room” should be terminated immediately.


27 posted on 07/11/2012 7:06:57 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Northern Yankee

Kind of like Bill Clinton wanted to add 100,000 extra cops to the streets in the U.S.


28 posted on 07/11/2012 4:06:53 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Absolutely!


29 posted on 07/11/2012 7:35:05 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Popman
The problem is that the entire system is, and always has been, a socialist-entitlement, single payer, and compulsory ( attendance and funded) government owned and run system.

Ok...So,... government owned and run socialist-entitlement schooling worked somewhat well in the beginning. So will Obamacare! Why? Because the values of those who first worked in the system. We won't immediately see a great difference in our medical care. It will take a generation or two before the real horror of Obamacare is felt by all.

In a generation or two every proposed solution now being offered up to “fix” socialist-entitlment schooling will be hauled out to “fix” socialist-entitlment health care. Few citizens will see or understand that socialist-entitlement programs can NOT NOT NOT be fixed!

One more thing,...your teachers likely came from my father's generation ( born 1913). He grew up in a household where his grandfather served in the Civil War! If socialist-entitlement schooling limped along somewhat effectively for us, it was due to the values of teachers working to overcome the impossible.

The **PROBLEM** with our system of socialist-entitlement schooling is that it is SOCIALIST! The only possible solution is privatization.

30 posted on 07/13/2012 7:09:40 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Harley

The problem: American has a government owned and run socialist-entitlement school system. It has **always** been a socialist-entitlement system and that we have the mess we do today was completely predictable.

The solution: Complete privatization!


31 posted on 07/13/2012 7:12:36 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Jack Hammer
Unfortunately, many of the teachers are morons..
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On average education majors have the lowest SAT and GRE scores on campus. So....If you know a really smart teacher, somewhere out there in Educationland is a really dumb teacher that is averaging out the averages. Scary to think about. Isn't it?

Next...Nearly any teacher working for more than a year in the government's socialist-entitlement schools is a LIAR! Why do I say that? Reason: The number of functional illiterates and innumerates who are awarded high school diplomas and then go on to fail their military entrance exams. ALL of these teachers and principals should be criminally prosecuted for defrauding the parents, the child, and the taxpayers, and then hit with a massive class action suit that would financially leave them completely destitute.

32 posted on 07/13/2012 7:19:46 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: Fraxinus

Hello,
“The Cartel” is an excellent documentary on the very subject you reference:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Cartel/dp/B004CWJ24C/ref=sr_1_1?s=movies-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1342476099&sr=1-1&keywords=the+cartel


33 posted on 07/16/2012 3:04:14 PM PDT by Apogee
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