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Obama’s ATF Targeting Hispanic Gun Buyers
PGNH Website ^ | 7/10/2012 | Evan Nappen, Esq.

Posted on 07/10/2012 6:22:39 PM PDT by Revtwo

A new, controversial question now appears on the most recent “Firearms Transaction Record Part I – Over-the Counter” (A.K.A. Form 4473), which must be filled out by anyone purchasing a firearm from a Federal Firearm Licensee, meaning a gun shop or other licensed dealer.

Every person completing this form must now, under a new question “10.a,” either confirm or deny whether they are Hispanic/Latino. Failure to do so will cause potential criminal prosecution and a denial of Second Amendment Rights.

What if the “ethnicity” question demanded “Jew or Not a Jew”? Would that “ethnicity” question be acceptable? Like the Hispanic/Latino question, it is offensive and not necessary. It has nothing whatsoever to do with one’s qualification to purchase a gun.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bandlist; banglist; hispanics

1 posted on 07/10/2012 6:22:45 PM PDT by Revtwo
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To: Revtwo

Sounds like “racial profiling” (With a dash of stereotyping thrown in.) to me.


2 posted on 07/10/2012 6:24:36 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Help reduce voter fraud in America! If you see something, say something!)
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To: RKBA Democrat; AuH2ORepublican

This is what they get for wanting off the leftist plantation.


3 posted on 07/10/2012 6:25:12 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Obama and Company lied, the American economy died)
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To: Revtwo
Profiling is OK when WE do it.
4 posted on 07/10/2012 6:25:53 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Revtwo

Too bad they couldn’t get any of the F&F guns when they were being given away for free.

And what is supposed to count as “Hispanic.” Someone fresh from Spain? Half breed American Indian/Mexican?


5 posted on 07/10/2012 6:27:20 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Revtwo

“A new, controversial question now appears...”

NO it doesn’t. Wait until tomorrow.


6 posted on 07/10/2012 6:27:30 PM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: Revtwo

WTF is wrong with these people?


7 posted on 07/10/2012 6:36:12 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Revtwo

The gun laws, as implemented, mostly make no logical sense.


8 posted on 07/10/2012 6:37:00 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Revtwo

A demographic entity that defies definition. Apparently includes South Americans of Indian ancestry bearing Spanish surnames, such as George Zimmerman’s mother.


9 posted on 07/10/2012 6:37:52 PM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Revtwo

I doubt the veracity of this story.


10 posted on 07/10/2012 6:43:51 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Revtwo

I stand corrected. I Googled the form and line 10a asks that question. Heh. Serves the little tattooed criminals right.


11 posted on 07/10/2012 6:47:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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12 posted on 07/10/2012 6:52:04 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Cyber Liberty

As if Mexican gang bangers were the only people with ancestors hailing to old sunny Spain who wished to get guns here, or had a reason to...!


13 posted on 07/10/2012 6:52:34 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew)
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To: Revtwo
Well, you have to say one thing about this bunch - they certainly are bold.

Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here.

Take a position, never waver and use whatever tools are at your command to accomplish your goal.

If only a handful of politicians on the side of liberty would adopt those principals, we would be a lot better off in short order.

14 posted on 07/10/2012 6:55:06 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


15 posted on 07/10/2012 6:55:23 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Revtwo
Well, you have to say one thing about this bunch - they certainly are bold.

Maybe there is a lesson to be learned here.

Take a position, never waver and use whatever tools are at your command to accomplish your goal.

If only a handful of politicians on the side of liberty would adopt those principals, we would be a lot better off in short order.

16 posted on 07/10/2012 6:55:33 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Revtwo

Looks like the check box has been on the form since this 2005 revision .. 10a is new and asks the same question ?

Hmmmm...

http://www.ocshooters.com/Gen/Form-4473/ATF-FORM-4473-pg1.gif

Stay safe...


17 posted on 07/10/2012 6:57:13 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Revtwo

If “white” Hispanics aren’t allowed to have guns, I guess plain, old vanilla whites shouldn’t be allowed to have them either.

Of course Asians can’t be allowed to have guns, what with their bad eyesight and all. Besides that, they might use them against some thugs robbing one of their stores.

I wonder what ethnicity should have guns...I wonder.


18 posted on 07/10/2012 7:00:59 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: Revtwo

This Obama’s secret method to win over all Cuban voters here in Miami.

I agree - sheer brilliance, Bammy!


19 posted on 07/10/2012 7:01:36 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Revtwo

This is outrageous, anybody who supports freedom should be upset. Once a person becomes a legal citizen why they should be questioned like that?


20 posted on 07/10/2012 7:10:26 PM PDT by dog breath
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To: Revtwo
Are you now or have you ever been an Hispanic /Latino?
Do you now or have you ever associated with Hispanics/ Latinos? Just wait for the screams from LULAC. . . Waiting . . . Still waiting. Oh Wait, these are Democrats doing the profiling. Never mind.
21 posted on 07/10/2012 7:46:25 PM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: Revtwo

What if they asked if a person was black? Jesse and the other poverty pimps would be screaming their heads off - hell, blacks don’t even want to show a picture ID to vote - like all the rest of us are going to have to do...


22 posted on 07/10/2012 8:12:55 PM PDT by GOPJ (Celebrate the first annual TPIC - "A Day Without Illegal Aliens" July 15th 2012)
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To: equaviator

FFL’s were instructed to begin using the new form on July 9. Monday morning, I threw my old stack of forms in the trash and started using the old form. The reaction of customers so far has been pretty universal . . . “WTF?” . . .


23 posted on 07/10/2012 8:16:30 PM PDT by stranger and pilgrim
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To: stranger and pilgrim

SOrry, I meant to say I started using the NEW form.


24 posted on 07/10/2012 8:18:12 PM PDT by stranger and pilgrim
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To: Revtwo

Guess I’ll have to start claiming I’m Latino.

I don’t ever give them my SSN either.


25 posted on 07/10/2012 8:25:51 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
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To: Revtwo

There’s no check box for ‘other’ in 10b?

And why is gender just Male/Female? What about SHIM’s and IT’s?

(I’m losing it...)


26 posted on 07/10/2012 9:12:25 PM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Revtwo

But thats racist!


27 posted on 07/10/2012 9:51:39 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: mylife
WTF is wrong with these people?

You mean, other than they're not "people"?

28 posted on 07/10/2012 11:35:43 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Revtwo

There’s always been a question asking what race/ethnicity a person is, with a check box to select one. Are they saying now there’s an additional question just asking if a person is Hispanic? That would seem too obvious. And racist to single out just one group.


29 posted on 07/11/2012 12:13:26 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Squantos

To be honest from my recollection the form has always had that as an option. Haven’t filled one out in awhile but it doesn’t look unusual. Besides they should have their own category, other than being lumped into “white” which is European ancestry as opposed to carribean/central/south American ancestry.


30 posted on 07/11/2012 12:17:10 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GOPJ

It’s a pick your check box question - there is a check box for black.


31 posted on 07/11/2012 12:18:27 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Revtwo
I don't see the big deal. There's also a box for Race: Asian, American Indian, Pacific Islander, African-American, and WHITE.

Those same boxes are on C&R License Application and have been there as long as I can remember (I've had a C&R since 2001, I ♥ the ATF) and also for a FFL Dealer License Application form. Those same boxes are now on every state gubmint form, and even on the yearly update form at your Doctor's Office (just filled out one Monday).

Understand. I don't see the need for them or think they should be there. It's just another data point for the FedGov to enter into their database on all of us. Like the intrusive Census questions now asked.

Then again, if enough Hispanics and Blacks start legally buying guns the FedGuv will start FUNDING our firearm purchases. Like they do for housing, food, FREE Cell phones, Abortions -- and all our other 'rights'. /s

32 posted on 07/11/2012 7:23:16 AM PDT by Condor51 (Never mess with an old man. He won't fight you he'll just kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Yeah agree.... Yet I see a 10 on the current form but no 10a on the current form. It no doubt makes buying with a 4473 a racist act under liberal socialist race card distrubutors executive order that Precedent Erkel Mugabe will sign.

Or ... Dare we say the batfag-e’s are racist to demand such from our little messkin friends ?

Don’t really need race sex or religion info do we ?


33 posted on 07/11/2012 9:33:29 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Secret Agent Man

Ahh, if it’s the same for everyone I don’t care...


34 posted on 07/11/2012 9:38:29 AM PDT by GOPJ (Marion Berry: 'If you take out the killings, Washington actually has a very very low crime rate')
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To: Cyber Liberty

That same Google search took me to the ATF site, where you can fill out the form online, to “help” avoid omissions and mistakes

ATF Home Applications eForm 4473

eForm 4473
Welcome to ATF e-Form 4473

ATF, in response to the president’s Government Paperwork Elimination Act (GPEA), Public L. No 105-277, signed in 1999, and requests from the firearms industry, has developed the e-Form 4473 to assist in the proper completion of the Federal Firearms Transaction Record (ATF Form 4473).

The e-Form 4473 is a “smart” form will help eliminate blanks or omissions.

The form will automatically populate certain fields. For example, based on the zip code entered, the city, state and county will automatically populate.

What database /s


35 posted on 07/11/2012 9:48:14 AM PDT by JMJJR ( Newspeak is the official language of Oceania)
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To: elkfersupper
Well, you have to say one thing about this bunch - they certainly are bold.

Not really. The media has their back and they know it.

36 posted on 07/11/2012 12:25:19 PM PDT by bkepley
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