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House votes 244-185 to repeal Obama healthcare reform law
The Hill ^ | 11 July 2012 | Pete Kasperowicz

Posted on 07/11/2012 1:24:15 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi

The House voted again Wednesday to repeal the 2010 healthcare reform law, giving Republicans some revenge against the late June Supreme Court ruling that found the law to be constitutional.

Members approved the bill in a 244-185 vote, after five hours of debate that stretched over two days.

As expected, just a handful of Democrats supported the GOP repeal bill. Five Democrats, Reps. Dan Boren (Okla.), Larry Kissell (N.C.), Jim Matheson (Utah), Mike McIntyre (N.C.) and Mike Ross (Ark.), sided with Republicans in the final vote. Of this group, all but Matheson voted with the GOP in a procedural vote on the bill Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 112th; bhohealthcare; house; obamacare; repeal; repealobamacare
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Bipartisan repeal! The repeal was bigger than the vote FOR Obamacare!
1 posted on 07/11/2012 1:24:29 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Erik Latranyi

Bella Pelosi and the DNC obviously gave a handful of their fellow RATS permission to vote in favor...tight races.don’t you know.The same will probably be true in the Senate.The people’s opposition means nothing...they know better than we do.Numbers,OTOH,do mean something to them.


2 posted on 07/11/2012 1:29:50 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President Of My Lifetime)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Kabuki Theater.


3 posted on 07/11/2012 1:30:29 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Erik Latranyi

Unfortunately you also need the Senate. Then you need the president to sign it or have a veto proof senate

All for another day. Say January 2013


4 posted on 07/11/2012 1:31:37 PM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“RATS permission to vote in favor...tight races.don’t you know.”

I don’t this will help the Rat much in those districts especially if the anti-obamacare sentiment is strong.


5 posted on 07/11/2012 1:35:26 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Anyone have a link to the list of who voted yes/no?


6 posted on 07/11/2012 1:36:55 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic ( (#withNewt))
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To: Gay State Conservative

I don’t know about the others, but Dan Boren isn’t running again. He is the only dem in the congressional delegation from OK and almost always votes with the GOP. I heard that he is just fed up with the dem party. His constituents asked him to switch parties, but he declined.


7 posted on 07/11/2012 1:38:58 PM PDT by Montanabound
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To: dfwgator

I disagree. This is important. It is theatre to a degree, but effective theatre.
A lot of leadership is theatre. It just is.


8 posted on 07/11/2012 1:46:39 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Vaquero

“Unfortunately you also need the Senate.”

Sure, but this gives the Republicans ammo for the election: Vote Rpebpublican, save health care and stop the massive tax increase!


9 posted on 07/11/2012 1:46:42 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: dfwgator

Never hurts to have them on record. Stiffens the spine for later when it can count. They don’t want to waffle back and forth...so now they’re on record and less likely to change in the months ahead as a result. They also have to run on this vote, another good thing, the Dems have to run on their vote but so do the R’s. Another reason they can’t waffle now.


10 posted on 07/11/2012 1:48:29 PM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: DarthVader
I don’t this will help the Rat much in those districts especially if the anti-obamacare sentiment is strong.

It might not.But in a district with a tight race coming up it can't *hurt* to have that "no" vote on the record.The RAT can say "yes,I voted in favor originally but have seen the light".And if,by chance,OsamaObamaCare is the only big beef the voters have with that RAT it just might work.A move of desperation,perhaps,but sometimes "Hail Mary" passes *do* work.

11 posted on 07/11/2012 1:50:37 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President Of My Lifetime)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Meaningless.

It will die in the Senate.

The people have spoken.

Now go pay your fees taxes and have a nice day. :)

/sarc
12 posted on 07/11/2012 1:52:22 PM PDT by Tzimisce (THIS SUCKS)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Not when the power where the Hail Mary comes from is against you.


13 posted on 07/11/2012 1:53:31 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

This will only come up in the Senate when Harry Reid is back in the minority. He won’t bring it to the floor for exactly the reasons pointed out in this thread.

The issue, however, is costing them dearly anyway. Look to the recent polling in FL, where Mack is breaking big over Nelson. And that’s just one example.


14 posted on 07/11/2012 1:54:08 PM PDT by Gulf War One
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To: Erik Latranyi

Well, what to say? This is just a FUTILE effort until we take the Senate and the Presidency OUT of the hands of the Democrats.

As usual, it will die when it reaches the Senate ( and even if it does, you know who holds the veto pen today ).


15 posted on 07/11/2012 2:09:29 PM PDT by SeekAndFind (bOTRT)
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To: Vaquero
Unfortunately you also need the Senate. Then you need the president to sign it or have a veto proof senate.

All for another day. Say January 2013.

Correct. But IMHO, having this vote on the record before the November elections will ENHANCE the chances of being in a position to repeal in January 2013.

It's also why Dingy Harry Reid won't even permit a vote in the Senate now.

16 posted on 07/11/2012 2:10:20 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: dfwgator

17 posted on 07/11/2012 2:12:13 PM PDT by Old Sarge (We are now officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet)
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To: C. Edmund Wright
I disagree. This is important. It is theatre to a degree, but effective theatre.

You're right -- it's important to keep the issue in the news. I think it might be more effective, though, to vote to repeal in sections, e.g., have a vote to repeal the 16,000 IRS agents one week, a vote to repeal the tax on house sales the next week, etc., etc. Those are the atrocities in it that come immediately to mind, but I'm sure there's lots more. Make the votes "teachable moments" (though I really, really hate that phrase!) because I'm sure many people don't know a lot of the particulars. Hell, a lot of Congress probably don't know the particulars, since none of them read it!

18 posted on 07/11/2012 2:19:48 PM PDT by maryz
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To: Old Sarge
Shuler is retiring and just killed his chief of Staff by not voting for it
19 posted on 07/11/2012 2:20:15 PM PDT by scooby321 (h tones)
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To: Erik Latranyi; All

The five Dems who voted with the Republicans are:

Boren (OK)
Kissel (NC)
Matheson(UT)
Ross (AR)
McIntyre (NC)

BRAVE DEMOCRATS...
I hope they have 24/7 Armed protection for their families. The whackos of the left are going to go nuts on them.

Death Threats against opponents kids seems to be the liberal modus operanda today.


20 posted on 07/11/2012 2:20:27 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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To: Tzimisce

Meaningless.

It will die in the Senate.


Why do we have senators? Why aren’t the voters allowed to know where their senators stand on an issue? Why is everything “dead on arrival”. Doesn’t Harry Reid have an OBLIGATION to American voters? Who died and made him God? I am so sick of this I could scream.


21 posted on 07/11/2012 2:28:12 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: Erik Latranyi

Even so, this is not enough for an override of the inevitable veto.


22 posted on 07/11/2012 2:30:11 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Servant of the Cross; Erik Latranyi
It's also why Dingy Harry Reid won't even permit a vote in the Senate now.

This is an important set up just for the Senate.

There are some (D) Senators who are up for re-election, looking out for themselves, who if given a chance to vote on a repeal would do so in a heartbeat.

There's even some like Manchin looking for longevity, or even retiring Ben Nelson, looking for a chance for penance, perhaps, who might be inclined to vote to repeal it. Even retiring Jim Webb might, just because.

You only need 4 to join all the (R)'s as a tax bill repeal.

Pressure by enough (D)'s to bring it up for a vote might just force Harry's hand on the matter.

With a majority in Congress voting to repeal, then it's Obama's hot potato alone.

All the bill requires once Romney is elected is his signature - not sure about this but it might not even have to come up for a second vote, since it was already passed.

Or, how about just "deeming" it passed like last time?

FReegards!


23 posted on 07/11/2012 2:33:35 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I’m hoping people realize now why it is important to have Obamanation out and a Republican Senate in.


26 posted on 07/11/2012 2:34:46 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: DarthVader

Not sure what you’re referring to, there in no power in hail mary, but there is power in Jesus the son of God.


27 posted on 07/11/2012 3:10:43 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: Bulwyf

Just being facitious. Don’t take everything too seriously. Being uptight is unbecoming for Free Republic


28 posted on 07/11/2012 3:17:24 PM PDT by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: MEG33
I’m hoping people realize now why it is important to have Obamanation out and a Republican Senate in.

And even then there is not absolute hope.

29 posted on 07/11/2012 3:39:19 PM PDT by uptoolate (Republicans sure do like their liberalism)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Everyone on this thread whining about this being meaningless theatre, I think you might have computer issues, do yourself a favor: Reach behind your computer, you’ll se a bunch of wires there. Yank on them hard until either the screen goes blank or you smell burning metal and/or see smoke. The problem will now be resolved.


30 posted on 07/11/2012 3:45:43 PM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: uptoolate

More hope than I have now.


31 posted on 07/11/2012 3:46:10 PM PDT by MEG33 (O Lord, Guide Our Nation)
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To: DefeatCorruption

“Meaningless.

It will die in the Senate.”

Yes....BUT.......it forces some vulnerable Democrats up fo election this year to vote to oppose repeal. Then the Pubbies can hag that around their neck come November.


32 posted on 07/11/2012 3:57:04 PM PDT by GR_Jr. (Vote Obama out now.....deal with Romney later.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Sound and fury, signifying nothing.
33 posted on 07/11/2012 4:07:53 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Montanabound

Dan Boren is a good guy. My guess is he is laying the groundwork for a run for Oklahoma governor, or a US Senate run.


34 posted on 07/11/2012 4:17:17 PM PDT by LukeSW (The truth shall make you free!)
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To: maryz
I think it might be more effective, though, to vote to repeal in sections, e.g., have a vote to repeal the 16,000 IRS agents one week, a vote to repeal the tax on house sales the next week, etc., etc. Those are the atrocities in it that come immediately to mind, but I'm sure there's lots more.

I disagree. Voting against it piece-by-piece would give the Dems in the Senate the opportunity to start forcing piece-by-piece votes regarding repealing some of the more "popular" provisions of the bill. I think it's politically smarter to do what they've been doing - just keep voting to repeal the whol d*mn thing.

35 posted on 07/11/2012 4:34:18 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: tcrlaf

“Boren (OK)
Kissel (NC)
Matheson(UT)
Ross (AR)
McIntyre (NC)

BRAVE DEMOCRATS...
I hope they have 24/7 Armed protection for their families. The whackos of the left are going to go nuts on them.”


Not really. Matheson, Kissel and McIntyre are facing tough reelections in very conservative districts, and Boren and Ross are the Democrats’ sole chance of winning their state’s governorship in a couple of years, so the RATs will give them a pass (it’s not like they were the deciding vote or anything).

BTW, McIntyre and Boren are actually pretty conservative; the other three are posers.


36 posted on 07/11/2012 4:46:20 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Can this bill be carried over to the next Congress, or does it have to start new?


37 posted on 07/11/2012 5:06:20 PM PDT by raccoonnookkeeper (I keep raccoons in a nook.)
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To: raccoonnookkeeper

It will start new in 2013. This is the second year of the GOP House majority.


38 posted on 07/11/2012 6:05:23 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: LuvFreeRepublic
Anyone have a link to the list of who voted yes/no?

All Republicans voted "yes" to repeal, plus 5 Democrats. They are listed in the article.

39 posted on 07/11/2012 6:21:27 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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40 posted on 07/11/2012 6:32:18 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: okie01
I know that because I read the article. I like to post the list on my FB so people can see how their Rep voted. Not everyone knows who their Rep is.....believe it or not.
41 posted on 07/11/2012 6:52:21 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic ( (#withNewt))
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To: Erik Latranyi
"Five Democrats, Reps. Dan Boren (Okla.), Larry Kissell (N.C.), Jim Matheson (Utah), Mike McIntyre (N.C.) and Mike Ross (Ark.), sided with Republicans in the final vote. Of this group, all but Matheson voted with the GOP in a procedural vote on the bill Tuesday."

Wow, that was supposed to be twice that many -- wonder if Hoyer pulled a few of them back...

42 posted on 07/11/2012 7:31:39 PM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Will never see or hear the healine “ BIPARTISAN VOTE TO REPEAL OBAMACARE”. It never happened.


43 posted on 07/11/2012 7:50:38 PM PDT by therut
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To: Erik Latranyi

So how many votes have they had now? 100?


44 posted on 07/11/2012 8:03:15 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: DefeatCorruption

Why do we have senators? Why aren’t the voters allowed to know where their senators stand on an issue? Why is everything “dead on arrival”. Doesn’t Harry Reid have an OBLIGATION to American voters? Who died and made him God? I am so sick of this I could scream.


His only obligation is to kiss King Barack’s ass.


45 posted on 07/11/2012 8:09:49 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: Erik Latranyi

” - - - Five Democrats, Reps. Dan Boren (Okla.), Larry Kissell (N.C.), Jim Matheson (Utah), Mike McIntyre (N.C.) and Mike Ross (Ark.), sided with Republicans in the final vote. Of this group, all but Matheson voted with the GOP in a procedural vote on the bill Tuesday.”

Hats off to 5 good men and true!


46 posted on 07/11/2012 8:14:34 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Vaquero
Unfortunately you also need the Senate. Then you need the president to sign it or have a veto proof senate.

Exactly. The House was engaging in symbolism. The real chance to get rid of ObamaCare this year was thwarted by the Supreme Court's PR Director.

47 posted on 07/11/2012 8:44:12 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

They should start voting on individual pieces of legislation. Repeal Obama-SCOTUS Mandate Tax, repeal death panels, defund, up health savings accounts back, allow insurance to be sold across state lines.


48 posted on 07/11/2012 9:49:04 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Erik Latranyi

They should start voting on individual pieces of legislation. Repeal Obama-SCOTUS Mandate Tax, repeal death panels, defund, up health savings accounts back, allow insurance to be sold across state lines.


49 posted on 07/11/2012 9:49:11 PM PDT by Steelers6
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To: Eleutheria5
Even so, this is not enough for an override of the inevitable veto.

You missed the point, like so many conservatives who are ignorant of the political process.

This vote puts Congressmen on-record.....a record that can be used in every district by GOP nominees to unseat Democrats.

Learn how the game is played or stay as a spectator.

50 posted on 07/12/2012 5:16:30 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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