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UN Arms Treaty Could Put U.S. Gun Owners in Foreign Sights, say Critics
Fox News ^ | 7-11-2012 | Steven Edwards

Posted on 07/11/2012 6:54:00 PM PDT by EagleUSA

UNITED NATIONS – A treaty being hammered out this month at the United Nations -- with Iran playing a key role -- could expose the records of America's gun owners to foreign governments -- and, critics warn, eventually put the Second Amendment on global trial.

International talks in New York are going on throughout July on the final wording of the so-called Arms Trade Treaty, which supporters such as Amnesty International USA say would rein in unregulated weapons that kill an estimated 1,500 people daily around the world. But critics, including the National Rifle Association’s Wayne LaPierre, warn the treaty would mark a major step toward the eventual erosion of the U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment gun-ownership rights.

Americans “just don’t want the UN to be acting as a global nanny with a global permission slip stating whether they can own a gun or not,” LaPierre said. “It cheapens our rights as American citizens, and weakens our sovereignty,” he warned in an exclusive interview with FoxNews.com

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/un-arms-treaty-could-put-us-gun-owners-in-foreign-sights-say-critics/#ixzz20Mx1sFKV

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: amendment; attack; obama; second
What Obama cannot do to American freedoms via executive fiat, he is turning over to the UN. We will not forget your role in this Hillary.....Marxists all.
1 posted on 07/11/2012 6:54:08 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

2/3 of the senate will not vote for this treason. They would be hunted down like rabid dogs. They would not want to live in hiding for the rest of their short, treasonous lives.

No matter how much they would LIKE to vote for this treason, their own self-preservation instincts are too strong.


2 posted on 07/11/2012 6:57:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: EagleUSA

They wear those blue helmets right? They’ve never played Patriot and UN before I guess.


3 posted on 07/11/2012 6:58:56 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: Travis McGee

“...2/3 of the senate will not vote for this treason.”

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I know, but it just infuriates me when these obvious enemies of our country pull this crap.


4 posted on 07/11/2012 7:01:01 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: EagleUSA

COME AND TAKE IT!....motherfeckers


5 posted on 07/11/2012 7:02:09 PM PDT by wetgundog (" Extremism in the Defense of Liberty is no Vice")
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To: Travis McGee

It only takes 2/3 of The Senate present at the time it’s voted on. That’s my understanding.


6 posted on 07/11/2012 7:05:08 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Travis McGee
2/3 of the senate will not vote for this treason. They would be hunted down like rabid dogs. They would not want to live in hiding for the rest of their short, treasonous lives.

By the end of the century, people will be hunting Democrats with dogs,” -- U.S. Senator Phil Gramm of Texas, in 1993, in Bill Clinton’s first year in office.

Senator Gramm was a little off on the timing is all.

7 posted on 07/11/2012 7:07:31 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: Puppage

Yes this (appears) set to be somewhat troublesome for at while if passed.

It must become a constant thing, if passed.

No delays or loopholes. Ever until it gets turned back down.

None. Zero.


8 posted on 07/11/2012 7:07:38 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: wetgundog

Now now..be a good dawg (- ;


9 posted on 07/11/2012 7:08:03 PM PDT by damncat
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To: wetgundog

I paint blue helmets on my targets for practice.... you know, just to keep sharp!


10 posted on 07/11/2012 7:08:03 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Skittle pooping unicorns are more common than progressives with honor & integrity.)
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To: EagleUSA
and vise versa...

11 posted on 07/11/2012 7:10:17 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Puppage

If they called a midnight vote with 2/3 plus one of 50 ‘rats voting, they would be hunted down like dogs. There are not enough ‘rats with a death wish in the senate.


12 posted on 07/11/2012 7:14:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: All; EagleUSA; SkyDancer; wetgundog; Puppage; archy; damncat; RetiredTexasVet; Chode

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


13 posted on 07/11/2012 7:18:15 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (In honor of my late father, GunnerySgt/Commo Chief, USMC 1943-65)
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To: EagleUSA
Just what America needs at this point.
Someone arrogant enough and stupid enough to push us that one more little bit too far.


14 posted on 07/11/2012 7:22:52 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Ayn Rand: "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win")
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To: SkyDancer
They wear those blue helmets right? They’ve never played Patriot and UN before I guess.

Exactly! This author is a little confused about just who is going to be in whose sights.

15 posted on 07/11/2012 7:23:31 PM PDT by Jess79
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To: EagleUSA

” could expose the records of America’s gun owners to foreign governments..”

What records?


16 posted on 07/11/2012 7:23:47 PM PDT by Henry Hnyellar
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To: EagleUSA

Who would actually obey the order to disarm? Certainly nobody I know. It would be the proverbial Last Straw for millions.


17 posted on 07/11/2012 7:23:47 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well I for one don’t just have a handgun. If ever, ever, some UN troops from the Congo should ever land in the US, they’d wished they were back in the savannah running from lions and tigers and such.


18 posted on 07/11/2012 7:24:01 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: Travis McGee

I would not be so certain about that.

Just saying.

If this gets voted in, we need a new procedure, until it gets voted out once again.

No screw ups.


19 posted on 07/11/2012 7:24:11 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America doesn't need any new laws. America needs freedom!)
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To: Travis McGee

I will repost here what I said in the other thread:

Removal of the right to bear arms via treaty would represent to me, and many others, the Federal Government unilaterally abrogating their compact with the People to have the power that they do.

I do not say this lightly.


20 posted on 07/11/2012 7:24:28 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee

A quorum in the Senate is 51. A 2/3 majority vote is only 34 of those 51. Obama has those votes. All he has to do is figure when the other 49 will be out of town, and he’s smart enough to figure that part out. The Senate has done this before.


21 posted on 07/11/2012 7:27:16 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: EagleUSA

It infuriates me even more to know that our enemies have their headquarters in our country.

How can a self-respecting America even be a member of this anti-American organization?


22 posted on 07/11/2012 7:29:36 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: EagleUSA

From My Cold, Dead Fingers


23 posted on 07/11/2012 7:31:24 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Ayn Rand: "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win")
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To: EagleUSA

The Constitution cannot be amended by treaty.

The Supreme Court has ruled on this many times.

IOW, any aspects of the treaty in conflict with the 2nd Amendment or other parts of the Constitution could not be enforced.

Of course, the court might refuse to make such a ruling, but if they decide to ignore the plain language of the Constitution and all precedent it seems unlikely to me they’d need the pretext of a treaty to do so.


24 posted on 07/11/2012 7:32:45 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: EagleUSA

When the Kenyan fraud is cast out of the Presidency, he and his minions should be tried for treason!


25 posted on 07/11/2012 7:35:54 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Iron Munro
That was then; this is now my FRiend.

They took notice of the reaction, or the lack of it when they enacted the airline searches in the name of "security". The election of obama by a majority who rater live as Governmental slaves than free people embolded them further. And the final nail in the coffin was when bamacare was rammed down our throats without us doing anything.At that point in time, they realized that they could do anything they damned well pleased and no one would challenge them.

On November 4, 2008, the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America died of self inflicted wounds. At this point in time it is past a political solution.

26 posted on 07/11/2012 7:40:02 PM PDT by sport
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To: Henry Hnyellar
” could expose the records of America’s gun owners to foreign governments..”

What records?

The ones they haven't been keeping... because that would be against the law... just like not passing a budget is against the law, and the international gun-trafficking of Fast & Furious fame is against the law.
We all know that our government would never break the law, therefore all the things you hear otherwise must be false.

27 posted on 07/11/2012 7:46:02 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: CodeToad; Travis McGee
A quorum in the Senate is 51. A 2/3 majority vote is only 34 of those 51. Obama has those votes. All he has to do is figure when the other 49 will be out of town, and he?s smart enough to figure that part out. The Senate has done this before.

They will be very sorry if they do that, all of them. That's a statement of fact, not a threat.

FYI, I do not know a single gun owner who would abide by any restrictions. Travis McGee is right, such an act would invalidate our obligations to the feral.gov, and I can see a lot of folks making "machine tools" in their garage or basement...happy switches, supressors, etc. Further, being in Texas I haven't yet met the cop who's suicidally stupid enough to help the ferals out at all. I would hope that the governor and legislature would deputize all citizens and otherwise tell the ferals to fornicate themselves.

Molon Labe, motherphockers!

28 posted on 07/11/2012 7:58:36 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Bibi to Odumbo: Its not going to happen.)
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To: EagleUSA
UN Arms Treaty Could Put U.S. Gun Owners in Foreign Sights, say Critics

UN Arms Treaty Would Put UN in U.S. Gun Owners Sights, say Critics. - fixed it.

MOLON LABE; SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!

29 posted on 07/11/2012 7:59:24 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (Why do cops have more lenient ROEs when facing us than troops in combat facing suicidal islamists?)
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To: SkyDancer
I remember you!
You were on the same canoe trip with a group of us who lost all our guns when all our canoes capsized in that river we were paddling down...I forget exactly where...
30 posted on 07/11/2012 8:35:25 PM PDT by sarasmom ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xZsFe6dM3EY)
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To: EagleUSA

that needs to be reworded..It will put the UN in the sights of lots of guns....but they are stupid enough to try it...


31 posted on 07/11/2012 8:36:56 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: sarasmom

Yeah, that was some trip! I lost everything including ammo. Gee, I wonder where that all wound up since the river was flowing pretty good that day .... :)


32 posted on 07/11/2012 8:41:13 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: EagleUSA

Please remember that it started in earnest with Bush Clinton Bush, Bush I signing the Rio Accord giving the UN permission to eliminate our property rights, and Clinton was the first I heard claiming ‘interdependence’ instead of independence. Bush II echoed ‘interdependence’ with every deed. And now Obama just has to finish what was already started.

If the Republicans bring in Condoleeza Rice as VP then there is no hope the Romney ticket will ever be anything more than a globalist agenda machine. Condi should serve time for her corrupt dealings in the Millennium Challenge Foundation.


33 posted on 07/11/2012 8:46:27 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Ancesthntr; Repeat Offender
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34 posted on 07/11/2012 8:46:43 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: All

The one problem I see, regarding whether or not our Congress would ever vote for such a bill, is that too many foreign countries own our debt. I imagine it would go like the Godfather movies....”one day I will call upon you for a favor...l” and the Chi-Coms will be calling that favor via the U.N.

I know...crazy talk.


35 posted on 07/11/2012 8:49:47 PM PDT by I_Publius
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To: hedgetrimmer

Condi gave the commencement speech at Denver University graduation in 1996. It was a loooong speech about the US doing more globally for social justice. She is a major socialist with global agenda ideas. We still have that VHS tape of her speech.


36 posted on 07/11/2012 8:50:01 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: I_Publius

The reason you cite is the exact reason many fear a large national debt held by many. They can use it to squeeze us for cooperation. I would expect it with this treaty.


37 posted on 07/11/2012 8:51:47 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Travis McGee

Agreed. There are theoretical go signals, and I’d bet this would be one of the top 10.


38 posted on 07/11/2012 9:22:51 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: CodeToad

It would be a declaration of war if he tried. Even he is smart enough to know that.


39 posted on 07/12/2012 4:14:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: samadams2000

I’d say top 5.


40 posted on 07/12/2012 4:48:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Obama and the Democrats have trashed the Constitution. During Clinton’s term they learned they could ban “assault weapons” with little consequence. They know the vast majority of trash talk about any consequences of banning or severely restricting guns is hot air.

I mean, if penalizing us for doing nothing via the ObamaTax and the complete takeover of health care, the Kelo eminent domain ruling granting sale authority of private lands for government profit, the 16th amendment granting the government the right to take 100% of our incomes, the original firearms ban of 1994, the various gun control acts through the years, the TSA strip searching our wives and daughters, and the fact that gun bans worked all over the planet including the once proud United Kingdom, they’re willing to go for it here.

The Marxists have made great inroads into getting their way. There is only one last little step and that is disarming us standing in their way to total domination. Since they now have the militaries of the world in their loyalty they are feeling rather powerful right now. Their arrogance and stupidity knows no bounds.

If anyone doesn’t see this fight coming, tough sh*t.


41 posted on 07/12/2012 6:34:02 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: CodeToad

It says quite a lot about the Republican party, if they would run a Romney/Condi ticket, doesn’t it.


42 posted on 07/12/2012 8:24:30 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer

It also says a lot about our political candidates in general. The best the Dems have is Obama, and the best the pubbies have is Romney. Just great.


43 posted on 07/12/2012 8:37:32 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: Travis McGee
2/3 of the senate will not vote for this treason. They would be hunted down like rabid dogs.

You know it. People very, very, VERY close to me will be among the hunters.

44 posted on 07/12/2012 9:20:34 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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