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If Obama and Romney tie in the electoral college, then what? (Plus poll to FReep)
The Los Angeles Times ^ | July 11, 2012 | Jon Healey

Posted on 07/12/2012 12:37:53 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The Times' Paul West offered a provocative bit of speculation Wednesday: There's a non-remote chance that the presidential election will end up in an electoral college deadlock, with President Obama and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney tied at 269.

Wrote West:

"All it would take for that to happen: President Obama carries most of the states he won in 2008, including Colorado and Virginia, swing states now rated as tossups. Mitt Romney holds the states that John McCain won last time, recaptures Republican Indiana and North Carolina and carries five swing states that are current tossups, Florida, Ohio, New Hampshire, Iowa and Nevada."

Granted, "all it would take" doesn't quite convey the difficulty each man faces in some of those states, but the outcome West predicted is at least plausible.

And if it happens, the Constitution calls for the House of Representatives to decide who'll be the next president. Barring a titanic shift in fortunes that enables the Democrats to reclaim that chamber, the House's GOP majority would hand the presidency to Romney.

There's a precedent for this: The House chose Thomas Jefferson at the turn of the 19th century and John Quincy Adams six elections later. And because the process is clearly laid out in the Constitution, it's likely to cause less grumbling among the electorate than, say, having the Supreme Court decide the outcome with a bizarre one-off ruling....

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; electoralcollege; obama; romney; romney2012
They still haven't gotten over Bush vs. Gore?
1 posted on 07/12/2012 12:38:12 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
They still haven't gotten over Bush vs. Gore?

No.

2 posted on 07/12/2012 12:39:54 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I was going to pick the fourth answer, in honor of 11 July 1804. But then I realized Zero'd probably win due to age and reaction time, etc.

So, I went with the Constitution (answer 1).

3 posted on 07/12/2012 12:44:25 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

I doubt that he has put in much range time—then again Mitt probably hasn’t either—so I would rate it a pure tossup. At least we would be rid of one of them and maybe we would get lucky and they both would die. Then the vice-presidential candidates can duel, and age would certainly be against Biden.


4 posted on 07/12/2012 1:35:38 AM PDT by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This poll needs FReeping. The idiots who have answered so far favor giving the presidency to the highest vote getter, an action that would severely damage the interests of all residents outside of NY and CA. There is a reason the Founders established the Electoral College.


5 posted on 07/12/2012 1:38:16 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (ABO)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the House’s GOP majority would hand the presidency to Romney.
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Works for me.


6 posted on 07/12/2012 1:42:19 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

It doesn’t matter what this poll says; The Constitution says the House of Representatives chooses.


7 posted on 07/12/2012 1:45:06 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic; 2ndDivisionVet
The Constitutional Convention considered appointment/election of the President by Congress and the people. Both were rejected. That left the process to the States.

By diffusing the vote across a large and growing country in which geographically diverse electors had to vote on a single day, it would render corruption, intrigue and deal making difficult.

That is why we have an electoral college.

8 posted on 07/12/2012 2:38:19 AM PDT by Jacquerie (No court can save us from ourselves.)
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To: All

According to the little-known 54th Amendment, the President will be Vladimir Putin and we will all be speaking Russian.


9 posted on 07/12/2012 2:47:47 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (E pluribus biden)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Seems to me I remember “what if” articles like this back in 2008. Didn’t happen, did it?


10 posted on 07/12/2012 2:48:41 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“They still haven’t gotten over Bush vs. Gore?”

Well, of course they haven’t. If they could have continued counting for a few more days, Gore would have obviously won. Worked for Stewart Smalley.


11 posted on 07/12/2012 2:48:42 AM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the House decides, are they limited to one of the candidates on the national ballot? If it was a Republican House could they pick Ryan or Walker or somebody other than Romney?


12 posted on 07/12/2012 3:51:00 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NEWT


13 posted on 07/12/2012 3:57:39 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Stosh
If the House decides, are they limited to one of the candidates on the national ballot?

The House is required to choose from any of the top 5 vote getters, in this case, "vote" means Electoral College vote. Anyone who secured at least 1 EV would probably be eligible, as it's unlikely that there would be 6 or more people earning at least 1 EV.

14 posted on 07/12/2012 3:57:39 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Just the question tells us how sure they know that Obama is a loser.
15 posted on 07/12/2012 4:03:30 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just the question tells us how sure they know that Obama is a loser.


16 posted on 07/12/2012 4:04:00 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The House votes for President by state delegation, not by members. Even if the Democrats recapture the House (and Obama ties in the electoral college - unlikely) the Republicans are still likely to maintain the majority of state delegations. When electing a President in the House, California counts the same as Montana or Alaska.


17 posted on 07/12/2012 4:11:13 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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To: kevkrom

Thanks - very interesting.

So, in principle, a couple of rogue members of the Electoral College could cast votes for someone not even on the national ballot, generate a tie in the Electoral College, and set up that individual for election by the tie-breaking procedure in the House (all while ticking off most of the country, I guess).

I’m not figuring on that happening, mind you, but it might make for an entertaining political novel, especially among those who enjoy a good conspiracy theory.


18 posted on 07/12/2012 4:11:56 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: Stosh
So, in principle, a couple of rogue members of the Electoral College could cast votes for someone not even on the national ballot, generate a tie in the Electoral College, and set up that individual for election by the tie-breaking procedure in the House (all while ticking off most of the country, I guess).

Yes. And technically it doesn't have to be a tie, as long as no one gains over 50% of the total vote (i.e., 270 EV). It could be something like 269-268-1 and still fall to the House, even though one candidate does have a plurality.

19 posted on 07/12/2012 4:35:13 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote

Barring a titanic shift in fortunes that enables the Democrats to reclaim that chamber, the House's GOP majority would hand the presidency to Romney.

The GOP can hold the majority in the house, but if the Dims have the majority of reps in 26 states they get to chose.

20 posted on 07/12/2012 4:37:19 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Peter ODonnell

You slightly misread the 54th Amendment. It says that the Gov of the 57th state shall assume the duties.


21 posted on 07/12/2012 4:58:07 AM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually (Hendrix))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The poll results are quite disappointing, but not unexpected. Brain dead citizens calling for the end of the Electoral College. They obviously never took Civics (is such a class still around) and do not understand the concept of federalism.


22 posted on 07/12/2012 5:06:16 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: pistolpackinpapa

Would be hysterical if this happened and the House went back to the RATS.


23 posted on 07/12/2012 5:09:33 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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To: kevkrom; Stosh
Sorry, the 12th Amendment modified the Constitution to have the House of Representatives choose from the top THREE electoral vote recipients, not the original FIVE, if there is not a candidate with a majority electoral vote. The Senate would choose from the top TWO electoral vote recipients at that time.


dvwjr

24 posted on 07/12/2012 6:19:09 AM PDT by dvwjr (Gallup)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Cincinatus' Wife; M. Espinola; blam; TigerLikesRooster; nickcarraway; neverdem; ...
Look at this because it shows illegal searches are planned by Zero's Czars at airports. Smacks of "Big Brother:"

New TSA Scanners that Can Sense Drugs, What You Had for Breakfast

25 posted on 07/12/2012 6:46:52 AM PDT by ex-Texan (The Time to "Wake Up" is Over !)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

I’m not sure you really meant to say what your Posted Comment said. But, if so, the Democrat Underground must be missing you about now.


26 posted on 07/12/2012 7:40:59 AM PDT by pistolpackinpapa (Why is it that you never see any Obama bumper stickers on cars going to work in the mornings?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If I understand the Constitution correctly, it is the incoming House of Representatives, not the existing House.


27 posted on 07/12/2012 8:31:51 AM PDT by ops33 (Senior Master Sergeant, USAF (Retired))
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To: pistolpackinpapa

“I’m not sure you really meant to say what your Posted Comment said. But, if so, the Democrat Underground must be missing you about now.”

Trust me, the DummieCrats want nothing to do with me. My point was 99.9999999% of the people on this forum want nothing to do with Romney, myself included. For long enough we have seen the establishment Republicans, the DNC, and the Democrat candidate pretty much box us in and foist some RINO on us because they know we will either stay home or vote for local candidates.

With all of this effort by the liberal establishment to put a RINO in front of the American people so he could be the libs whipping boy, to me it would be funny if Romney won. They would be looking for someone to blame as usual and as usual they would be totally oblivious to the fact that they are in fact to blame.

Unintended Consequence. The life of a liberal.


28 posted on 07/12/2012 8:47:06 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (ABO 2012)
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