Posted on 07/12/2012 2:47:27 AM PDT by Libloather
Conservatives tell GOP leaders they want healthcare funding fight this year
By Sam Baker - 07/11/12 04:34 PM ET
Conservatives in the House are pushing GOP leaders to continue the campaign against President Obama's healthcare law even after Wednesday's vote to repeal the law.
Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) are gathering signatures this week for a letter asking GOP leaders to defund the healthcare law this year.
"We appreciate your willingness to schedule a vote on the full repeal of ObamaCare," the letter states. "We should continue efforts to repeal the law in its entirety this year, next year, and until we are successful. However, in the meantime, there is more we can do in Congress."
Jordan chairs the Republican Study Committee, and Bachmann leads the House Tea Party Caucus.
A recent poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation suggested that independent voters are tired of the healthcare debate and want Congress to move on to other issues. But Republicans believe the Supreme Court's healthcare ruling provided an opening to rally their base around the issue.
Jordan and Bachmann asked Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) not to bring bills to the floor this year that would provide funding to implement the Affordable Care Act. They also said the House should "take legislative steps necessary to immediately rescind all ObamaCare-implementation funds."
The letter has 80 signatures so far.
Defunding poses a serious challenge to the Affordable Care Act. Former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) said Wednesday that it's one of the most potent weapons Republicans would have against the law if they win the White House or a majority in the Senate.
Republicans pledged to defund the health law after winning the House majority in 2010, but those efforts have produced only relatively minor cuts.
Like repeal.
I guess being made a slave by Emperor Zero and affirmed by Chief Justice Taney Roberts isn't important to some folks.
I’m not a fan of sleaze, but this is the time for it. The PPACA was “deemed passed”, and conservatives should defund it with an equally questionable strategy. I’d like to see full and permanent defunding inserted into an unrelated paragraph in the middle of a 500 page House/Senate reconciliation bill - with no leaks (not even to the GOP elite). After the House and the Senate then approve the reconciliation and the occupant of our White House signs the reconciliation bill, a conservative leader would announce that defunding was passed by Congress and signed by Obama. That would be a gloriously appropriate death to an anti-American law born in deception.
Another solution
... it is about picking one or more states that will do some simple homework to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Obamacare law is not applicable in their state. If we do this, we can proactively take control of the narrative to announce that Obamacare is irrelevant because the state is already compliant.
Kissing Obamacare Goodbye
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2905505/posts
“Defunding poses a serious challenge to the Affordable Care Act. Former Sen. Tom Daschle (D-S.D.) said Wednesday that it’s one of the most potent weapons Republicans would have against the law if they win the White House or a majority in the Senate.”
Exactly, except they have the power to defund now because the GOP controls the House which controls the money. The Government will need a new CR by October and that would be a great place to start the defunding.
LLS
Does this make sense to anyone else?
This healthcare is not a tax. The government can’t charge a rich guy more money than a guy making $50,000. So the rich guy and the middleclass guy will pay basically the same for a family of three.
Half of Americans make less than $26,364; half of Americans pay no taxes.
We should expect that every family of three, regardless of income, that makes over $26,364 will be paying for a family of 6 and the government’s costs associated with the healthcare plan.
Nobodies defundin’ nothin’
‘BammyCare isn’t going anywhere unless We the People rip it out by the roots.....
Seems like I remember Michelle Bachman indicating last year that the way the funding for Obamacare was set up it comes through for a lack of better term “general funding” for the government. In otherwords, it has tentacles attaching it to other funding so that in order to defund it, by default, you would have to shut down pert-near the whole federal government. Supposedly, Democrats craftily designed it that way? Even if this is not the case, I suspect the funding will come attached with a major defense bill, and because too many GOP’s cannot bear to scrutinize any defense bills, they will roll over and let it go through anyway. I’m pro-military, so don’t misunderstand my statement above. Nevertheless, I personally believe Obamacare will ultimately repeal itself..........through monetary collapse stemming from our crushing national debt. Trust me....EVERYTHING is going to get repealed then if you get my drift. SHTF/WROL.
Not funding something and defunding something are two different things. A House bill that specifically repeals already existing Obama-care funding will go way of the 30+ Obama-care repeal bills the House passed, the Senate shredder. That seems like just more Republican smoke.
Alternatively there is no reason why the House should pass any new spending bills that funds Obama-care. In fact isn't the government funded until October 1? Expect a two month CR around then.
I freely admit I am tired of it.. ... I agree completely with every Republican vote to repeal this BAD LAW. But until the Jacks and Jennies of the queer Communist controlled Democratic Party use their ears for something other than a pin for their hat— I reckon the fight will go on. Just as that other fight
I will lay down my arms when the folk who would use arms against me first lay down theirs. Until then I will keep my own for it would be unwise ,especially today to trust any other for my own defense.
Why don’t we have leaders who can make this point clearly and succinctly?
“We’re defunding this, and here’s why: Remember the Town Halls? People hated it. So Congress said “Too bad Citizens. We deem this passed, and you’ll like it after we pass it and then we’ll show it to you. Well now we’ve seen it, and it’s worse than we imagined. So we are defunding it.”
This healthcare is not a tax. The government can’t charge a rich guy more money than a guy making $50,000. So the rich guy and the middleclass guy will pay basically the same for a family of three.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh Yes they can!
Now take a look at the wealth redistribution plan:
Excerpt:
“enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card;
What IS troubling is that it says “determination of an individual’s financial responsibility” - which means they have the power to decide that WE have to pay for the service, or we have to pay more than someone else for that service. Marxism straight up. And what the heck do they mean by “beneficiary identification card”? Beneficiary means, “one that benefits from something”, but it also means - and most of us recognize this word and use it as, “the person designated to receive the income of a trust estate”. What this says to me (knowing pretty much how they think and what their agenda is), is that they’re either going to consider medical care as a privilege granted by them (we’re their beneficiary) and they get to be God and decide whether we’ll receive it or not, or that they’re not only going to base their decision of whether or not to let us have the service or based on our own finances, but also based on money and assets that we are beneficiaries for - or both of those things!!
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One last troubling thing about this section... where it says, “including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility”... WHAT?!!
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2904309/posts?page=49#49
AND
According to the Cato Institute, “…by carving out a discrete list of limitations on the Board’s delegated powers, the [Affordable Care] Act implicitly gives IPAB otherwise unlimited power to exercise any enumerated congressional power with respect to any governmental body, industry, property, product, person, service or activity.” And just like Congress, the IPAB has been given the authority to appropriate federal funds and impose conditions for their receipt. This means “the Board could propose…to require states to implement federal laws or to enact new state laws in order to receive federal funding.”
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2904589/posts
See link at post 4
LLS
As usual there were some great posts here that actually explain this mandate, outside of Rep or Dem political posturing.
The so called ‘mandate’ which has always been a tax is both progressive AND collected by the IRS as with the income tax. Those with low incomes are exempt, those with high incomes pay the most. It's is much like the the income tax.
“The penalty will be the greater of a flat dollar amount per person, OR a percentage of your taxable income. For dependents under 18, the penalty is half the individual amount. The annual penalty is capped at an amount roughly equal to the cost of the national average premium for a qualified health plan — in other words you cannot be forced to pay more than it would have cost to buy a plan in the first place.”
Dems called it a fine to get the voters to relate it to deadbeats stiffing their hospitals bills, and sticking them ultimately; and so Obama could claim he never raised middle class taxes, obviously untrue.
Repubs called it a fine because that was what they saw as their best case to get the SCOTUS to reject it.
It is basically an increase in the income tax that you can exempt yourself from by doing what the government says. It's an extension of the behavour based tax credit idea.
Using your logic-—
A rich man pays the same state & Fed taxes per gallon on gasoline as a lower income person.
A tax is a tax is a tax.
The problem with Obamacare is that it is a scam from the beginning.
At least I know I am buying a gallon of gasoline.
Thanks sickoflibs.
” there is no reason why the House should pass any new spending bills that funds Obama-care. In fact isn’t the government funded until October 1? Expect a two month CR around then. “
YEP
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