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Quinnipiac: Most think ObamaCare is a tax
The Hill ^

Posted on 07/12/2012 4:32:08 AM PDT by sunmars

A new Quinnipiac University poll shows why Barack Obama has been so reluctant to talk about his health care plan this summer.

55% of voters say ObamaCare is a tax, while only 36% say it's not. That's a nearly 20% gap and a huge political liability.

Some of the specs:

a. Voters think Congress should repeal the law, 49%-43%.

(Excerpt) Read more at gop12.thehill.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Politics/Elections
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Obama is so screwed looking at this.

Independents think ObamaCare is a tax by a huge 59%-22% margin. Interestingly, Hispanics think it’s a tax by 60%/29%, which is an even higher margin than among whites. Now here’s the money stat: 27% of indies say it’ll make them less likely to vote for Obama, while only 9% say it will make them more likely. Major huge poll losses for Obama from this.

1 posted on 07/12/2012 4:32:17 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

well the gods in the supreme court...deemed it a tax.

and as only congress can levy a tax...then congress can remove said tax.


2 posted on 07/12/2012 4:35:20 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: sunmars

Obama could have been screwed. But Mr. RomneyCARE
cannot attack ObamaCARE because he cannot, as its author.


3 posted on 07/12/2012 4:37:19 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: sunmars

On constitutional grounds, the sc ruling was a disaster. Politically speaking however, the ruling really screwed the Hussien and the jackasses. It is something that is recinating with the public and what the Romney campaign AND the PAC’s will religiously remind voters this fall.


4 posted on 07/12/2012 4:42:01 AM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: TMA62

now we know why Obama aint talking about this whatsoever.


5 posted on 07/12/2012 4:44:31 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

It always was a tax. Obviously BO was lying, no news-flash there.


6 posted on 07/12/2012 4:46:38 AM PDT by sickoflibs (ABBBO chant: "We must support Romney because he doesn't matter." (Obam-ney Care is bad now ))
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To: sunmars

The Supreme Court said it.

I believe it.

It’s a tax.

The biggest tax in the history of the western world.


7 posted on 07/12/2012 4:50:00 AM PDT by samtheman (The Trillion Dollar ObamaCareTax definitely is a tax; just ask the US Supreme Court.)
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To: sunmars

If stuff like this continued, Obama may have to resort to a tactic John Kerry used in 2004 — running on someone else’s record, not his own.

John Kerry had so little accomplishments during his Senate career that he claimed several senatorial accomplishes of Bob KerrEy as being his own accomplishments.

Obama, now that the SC has labeled Obamacare as a tax, is running from that. We have video/audio/text records of Obama claiming since 2009, that he would not raise taxes ‘one dime’, etc.

Obama cannot run on his economics/jobs records. He continues to claim he created 4.4 million jobs in 28 months. But on closer exam, that equates to an average of about 58,000 new jobs per WEEK, while new unemployment claims are running at 380,000 per WEEK. For each job Obama apparently created, 9 others lost their jobs. Note that the recent June job creation for the MONTH was only 80,000.


8 posted on 07/12/2012 4:50:29 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: Diogenesis

There is one nuanced difference between Obamacare and the Romneycare legislation - the Romneycare STOPPED at the state boundary. Obamacare seeps into every pore of the entire nation, Main Street to Wall Street, Gulf to the Great Lakes, coast to coast, border to border, from islands east of the mainland to far-flung sites accessible only through travel over international routes.

And since it STOPPED at the borders of one state, that state retains the power to modify, repeal, rescind, or exalt the application of the statutes as they now stand. It may well be that Massachuetts could end up rejecting the current law, and rewriting it totally and completely (though, being Massachuetts, that is highly unlikely). The same holds true for the current application of the seriously misnamed “Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act”, which attains neither of its stated goals to lower costs, or provide much protection for its victims, er, recipients.


9 posted on 07/12/2012 4:55:50 AM PDT by alloysteel (Fear and intimidation work. At least on the short term.)
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To: Diogenesis
Obama could have been screwed. But Mr. RomneyCARE cannot attack ObamaCARE because he cannot, as its author.

He can, and he must.

Like it or not, Mr. Romney now holds the role as "leader of the opposition" to the Obama regime.

He should not shy away from his responsibility, regardless of how hypocritical it may seem.

We all wish that Romney didn't have that political "baggage" to begin with, but nonetheless, he has been selected to represent our positions and values against Obama and his political machine, so he must step up to the plate and fight for our side.

Conservatives must insist that Romney, as the presumptive nominee, supports and upholds our values, regardless of how difficult it may be for him personally.

10 posted on 07/12/2012 4:57:47 AM PDT by Jess Kitting
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To: Jess Kitting
He can, and he must.

He did yesterday in front of the NAACP. Unfortunately, some cannot see the truth through their own prejudices..

11 posted on 07/12/2012 5:00:37 AM PDT by IamConservative (Well done is better than well said. - Ben Franklin)
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To: TomGuy

Don’t forget...John Kerry served in Viet Nam too.


12 posted on 07/12/2012 5:07:04 AM PDT by moovova (Ladies & Gentlemen...Pandora has left the box.)
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To: alloysteel
There is no nuance, FRiend.

DEATH PANELS are death panels.

Same for socialized medicine.


13 posted on 07/12/2012 5:12:45 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jess Kitting
You are wrong two ways.

First, Mr. Romney is only the PRESUMED candidate
and he has demanded delegates BOW to him and RomneyCARE.

Second, Mr. RomneyCARE, author of death panels himself,
is not equipped to defend this important conservative issue.

14 posted on 07/12/2012 5:14:21 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: sunmars

“55% of voters say ObamaCare is a tax, while only 36% say it’s not.”

They are both correct. It can’t be a tax for the half that won’t be paying the tax.


15 posted on 07/12/2012 5:20:00 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: sunmars

Ya know, we really need to hammer this home to people in any way we can.Not just the mandate tax but how Obama LIED. All well and good to talk to other FReepers but we need to get this out to other folks who might still be caught in the Hope and Change BS. I’m a big fan of letters to the editor, getting on internet newspaper sites and making “comments” on articles, talking about it really loudly in supermarket lines... whatever we can. do. This is a winning issue. Not just the mandate tax but the other $500 billion in taxes imbedded in this bill. And the CBO revised the cost to $2.6 trillion (not $900 billion).


16 posted on 07/12/2012 5:21:09 AM PDT by Snow Eagle ("... Against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC")
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To: sunmars
It does not matter what anyone “thinks” about this... it is a tax because the highest ranking black robed terrorist in the USA deemed it so in the legislation that he rewrote.

LLS

17 posted on 07/12/2012 5:29:18 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: LibLieSlayer

its does matter what people thinks when they go to vote, supreme court may call it a tax but if voters dont think it is, its null and void and thankfully it seems most voters think its a big ole tax.


18 posted on 07/12/2012 5:41:34 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: Jess Kitting

Romney may be the standard bearer for your values, but he doesn’t even give a passing nod to mine.


19 posted on 07/12/2012 5:56:15 AM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: sunmars
Obviously but in a legal sense... it does not matter what anyone “thinks”. It is a TAX because roberts rewrote a bill to fit his contorted bastardization of the US Constitution.

LLS

20 posted on 07/12/2012 6:49:16 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: TMA62

Forgive me, please, for what I am about to do:

recinate = not a word; however, resinate = permeate something with resin: to impregnate, saturate, or flavor something with resin

resonate = resound: to echo, or cause something to echo

You may now begin my beating for being a spelling jerk.


21 posted on 07/12/2012 6:57:06 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: sunmars

Since Obama must be beginning to see the handwriting on the wall, this probably needs to at least be analyzed, even if warily. I would normally not pay attention to this kind of thing, but considering how over the top deceitful this administration has proven to be, I’ve begun to think ANYTHING is possible. Hopefully this is improbable:

From a former columnist for The Villages Daily Sun.

An Obama rumor that must never become reality

A good journalist is usually taught not to print rumors or at least never to present them as the truth.

What I’m going to report here is only a rumor that presently can’t be confirmed. But it is of such magnitude that it must be made known if only to prepare America for a possible terrible eventuality. And while it has not been confirmed, neither can it authoritatively and convincingly be denied, certainly not in a United States where our Constitutional rights are under constant attack.

This rumor involves an agent of the Department of Homeland Security who allegedly informed a reporter at the Canada Free Press of a “false flag” or faked event to be initiated by Obama administration operatives in the hope of preventing the November presidential elections.

Canada Free Press (CFP) is an independent, conservative, electronic daily newspaper, updated several times a day. It boasts more than 100 writers and columnists who file stories regularly to the newspaper from all corners of the globe.
According to the newspaper’s coverage of this DHS “whistleblower,” the event would be a staged assassination attempt on the life of President Obama that would be blamed on “white supremacists” and subsequently used to enrage black and Hispanic communities driving them to rioting all across the nation.

The faked assassination, says the CFP report, would be carried out through the assistance of DHS agents, and “other colluders” taking their orders from the White House. The objective would be to stir up enough racial unrest to justify the imposition of martial law in major urban cities, including erecting DHS checkpoints, restricting travel, and delaying (possibly indefinitely) the November 2012 elections.

Reporting in the May 8, 2012 edition of the Canada Free Press wrote that his informant works in “the upper-echelon of DHS”, which he described as “effectively under the control of Barack Hussein Obama.”

A contact said: “The DHS is actively preparing for massive social unrest inside the United States. He then corrected himself, stating that ‘a civil war’ is the more appropriate term. Certain elements of the government are not only expecting and preparing for it, they are actually facilitating it.”

The DHS whistleblower mentioned a recent meeting at the Department of Homeland Security where plans were discussed to use pawns to simulate the rioting seen in the Arab Spring countries that would bring on a “controlled chaos” for the benefit of the Obama administration.

“Envisioned by these conspirators are riots starting in urban areas such as New York, followed by a disruption of business and commerce,” the DHS source added. “They want to restrict travel, if not through high energy prices, then by checkpoints and curfews mandated by the rioting and unrest...The whole purpose is to keep Obama in office for another term, no matter how unpopular he is, as he is not finished changing our country from a Constitutional Republic.”

This certainly isn’t the first rumor to surface about Mr. Obama’s intention to subvert the U.S. Constitution, by manipulating economic, racial and social issues that would polarize Americans and bring on enormous conflict but the full measure of this contrived event, if true, involves total suspension of our democratic rights, and repression on a scale never thought possible in the America we’ve known and cherished all our lives.

It’s a rumor that bears watching…and is worth spreading because the more people who know about it—and understand the high level of deceit and treachery that confronts us daily in Washington—the less likely it is for the rumor to become a reality.
The lesson here is that if people are aware of the possibility, even remote, of some great calamity befalling them, they’re on guard…they’re prepared…their defenses are up, and those who would commit evil, will back down fearing a confrontation they can’t win.

The more we talk about the potential for a staged, bogus presidential assassination that would trigger massive civil unrest and possible martial law, the stronger is our defense against it actually occurring. The nation will be watching. Patriots everywhere will be on alert. The Obama administration will be under scrutiny more intense than ever before. It doesn’t have the guts to take on millions of Americans when we’re ready for anything.


22 posted on 07/12/2012 7:45:19 AM PDT by formerlyfree
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To: samtheman; TigersEye
The biggest tax in the history of the western world>>>>>>>>>

Tax? I doubt it, even though SCOTUS ruled it so.

Just look at what the left can do with it:

1) You have to buy the government plan, your employer has bailed on employer based health insurance because he is taxed for providing it, and YOU are taxed on it as income.

2)The government plan can later say anything:

FOR EXAMPLE: a) Your child has been deemed as bbese because he or she is over the scale of body weight to heighth ration. Until your child complies with the standard your Obamacare will cost you an additional 40% over what others pay.

b) You are deemed as obese and have to pay an additional 40% over what non obese people pay. No more beer or Kentucky fried for YOU.

c) You have firearms in your home as federal and state records reveal, and that is an increased health risk, therefore you must pay 50% more than others witout guns in their house pay.

AND if you do not buy the government plan you will be fined $10,000 . The IRS has all of the extraordinary seizure methods available to enforce the fine, including taking your home and liquidating it, without a court order.

ANYONE who is properly informed about the powers vested in the government pursuant to this arcane health care law would NOT want it, right down to any person who owns a hovel on a Mississippi bayou.

What happens when a death panel decides not to keep your terminally ill wife alive for 6 more months, and just lets her die, after you have exhausted all of your savings on care and medicine, and then you can't pay for the government plan? There will be many spouses who will be in a very violent mood when the get fined and lose their homes.

The remedy is to become poor, get free health care, and live off begging. This ALL is horrible.

The effing leftist, liberal fascist dems, rino-republicans and Romney should be ashamed of NOT turfing this POS law.

Once America sees it for what it is, they will not stand for it. Many who can have left the country already. Its not a tax, its an invasion of personal freedom, and the end of the 1st Republic and the Constitution. Welcome to the United States of Zimbabawe. AT LEAST THE MEDIA SHOULD BE TELLING THE TRUTH OF IT!!!!!!!

23 posted on 07/12/2012 10:28:36 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article: http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

You make good points but right now, as we approach the election, I’m satisfied just calling it the biggest tax increase in the history of the world.


24 posted on 07/12/2012 3:27:19 PM PDT by samtheman (The Trillion Dollar ObamaCareTax definitely is a tax; just ask the US Supreme Court.)
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To: samtheman
It is a reverse tax. You pay it for not doing something. And it is based on a ‘whim’. Totally indescribable. Totally indefensible. Totally unconstitutional.
25 posted on 07/14/2012 7:13:05 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (The response to 1984 is 1776.)
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