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America's coming civil war -- makers vs. takers
Fox News ^ | 7-12-12 | Arthur Herman

Posted on 07/12/2012 3:03:02 PM PDT by dynachrome

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To: dynachrome; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ...
You betcha!

CW2 Ping


41 posted on 07/12/2012 4:47:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: nevergore
Heck....All this time I’ve been arming myself to shoot zombies....

Shooting Progessives wouldn’t be any fun...they would whine, complain, get a trial lawyer involved...Sigh....

The "Zombieland Rules" would work just as well against Commies. Especially the one about the Double-Tap. The trial lawyer would just be another target (but to be sporting about it, remember, no hunting within 100 yards of Porsche dealerships or baiting said lawyers with signs that read "Free Scotch").

42 posted on 07/12/2012 4:49:36 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: KantianBurke

“Good luck “Makers” trying to see those cut.”

We can deal with our debt and entitlement programs sanely, rationally, or someday they will go to zero overnight.

That is a mathematical guarantee.


43 posted on 07/12/2012 4:50:05 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Anti-Bubba182
They have lumped Social Security recipients in with those programs where there is no required pay in. That is wrong.

AGREED!!

And look at which program has been the most even in size.

44 posted on 07/12/2012 4:51:07 PM PDT by upchuck (FACEBOOK... Share pointless stuff with friends you don't know. Beg for intrusion into your life.)
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To: tbw2

“What in the Bush tax cuts took 20 million people off the tax rolls?”

That’s the problem, people think it was just a “tax cut for the rich”. It wasn’t. All rates went down, even the lowest. So, for starters, people in the lowest bracket see a 50% increase in their taxes (from 10% to 15%). Most of these people also qualify for the EIC, so they end up being paid by the government to file. Well, that will change for millions of them - they will become net tax payers (finally).

Other things that directly affect whether certain lower income people pay taxes is the marriage penalty (comes back and hits the two lowest bracket) and, related to that, is the standard deduction for married, filing jointly - it goes down.

That’s my first cut at it - I’d LOVE to see these tax cuts end, and I’d LOVE to see the Democrats explain to the poor why they are now taxpayers - once they lost the protection of the Bush tax cuts. I’m sick of his tax cuts getting a bad rep.


45 posted on 07/12/2012 4:54:22 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Travis McGee
UP!
46 posted on 07/12/2012 4:56:42 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: mistfree
And herein lies the problem. Even Freepers think that 20+ years of social security is their due “because they paid in” their entire working career.

What about those that only served 20 years in the Military and get expect retirement benefits for the rest of their lives?

47 posted on 07/12/2012 5:02:51 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Charles Martel

I disagree....Zombieland rules would not apply to Progressives....a double tap to the head would have no effect since they have no brain.....

Also, after years of progressive social programs, it is also apparent they have no heart.....

I guess just shoot them in the “privates so they can’t reproduce....they will eventually die out after a generation....


48 posted on 07/12/2012 5:08:01 PM PDT by nevergore ("It could be that the purpose of my life is simply to serve as a warning to others.")
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To: Biggirl

Why would Russia and China get involved when they can watch with glee from the sidelines?


49 posted on 07/12/2012 5:14:05 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The First Bystander must be removed!)
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To: Doe Eyes

A lot of folks are going to be disappointed to learn that the math just doesn’t work out. A lot of folks are going to be very pissed off. Factor this in. It’s part of any prudent calculation: the cutting off of public sector pensions, and millions of pissed off people.


50 posted on 07/12/2012 5:16:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: nascarnation

Societies routinely make such (pick your word) horrible/realistic calculations. Infanticide (of born babies) is often practiced in places with extreme population pressures. Or the elderly and infirm are left behind by the tribe if they can’t keep up with the daily march. Nothing new here, in the sweep of history. Only new to us.


51 posted on 07/12/2012 5:20:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
"So Social Security recipients, who have been real producers all their life are now labeled takers? If that’s the best that they can come up with, we are sunk."

Many in the bipartisan government employee, pensioner and government-linked services faction of politics are pushing for that in order to sustain their pensions, salaries and benefits in the face of the bond collapse and remainder of default process ahead.

Prepare. It's going to get much worse with the regulator/robber/political class in dictatorial power.


52 posted on 07/12/2012 5:27:15 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Travis McGee

I’m in.


53 posted on 07/12/2012 5:29:23 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: tsowellfan

“...I’ll bet the UN didn’t have multiple nations flying over the “unruly population” back in the 1860s...”
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Pretty safe bet, there.


54 posted on 07/12/2012 5:29:50 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (We have met the enemy and he is us.)
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To: KantianBurke

Machines already do most of the work. By 2050 robots are going to be everywhere. By 2080 most human labor will not be worth the ever rising minimum wage. Our main job as conservatives is keep socialism from getting ahead of the technology to fund it, like what happened to the socialist PIIGS: Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain. The second front in fighting socialism is advancing technology, mostly fought by conservative male engineers. Most technology is driven by the military’s need for better ways to kill really annoying people, then commercializing it so they don’t have to.


55 posted on 07/12/2012 5:41:45 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: tsowellfan; Travis McGee
Under Obama I can easily see a scenario where Russian and Chinese jets do fly overs under the UN Flag to keep the “enemy within” under control.

Sounds like you and Travis think alike!

56 posted on 07/12/2012 6:18:06 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Travis McGee

Obama’s best friend and domestic terrorist Bill Ayers said years ago that he believed 25 million people needed to die for Communism to be instilled in this nation. Now we know what segment of the population is at the greatest risk in his plan: The elderly.


57 posted on 07/12/2012 6:21:28 PM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: nevergore
Shooting Progessives wouldn’t be any fun...they would whine, complain, get a trial lawyer involved...Sigh....If you shoot them enough times with the right round in the right locations, they don't do that stuff.
58 posted on 07/12/2012 6:21:48 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: CodeToad

The last bunch of National Socialists with a mandatory mandatory health plan started with the eldery and other “useless feeders.” When they were not stopped, they moved on to the retarded, the handicapped, and the rest is history.

(I love calling the ‘rats National Socialists. When they are taken aback, I just ask, which part do you disagree with? The National, or the Socialists?)


59 posted on 07/12/2012 6:25:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dynachrome

No it has nothing to do with civil war and everything to do with conquest and self-destruction of American productiveity.

The Federal Government is shutting us all down, convirting a larger and larger share of our population into government dependents rather than producers and that of course is unsupportable for any length of time.

We have no way to pay back the debts now owed except thou devaluation of the currency which is an additional confensatory tax shutting down even more of what is left of the American economy.

This is not a civil war between the makers and takers this is a collapse of both with the collapse of the takers.

You can’t convince so many so depended upon what they can steal from you to stop stealing. You give a man a fish every day and sooner or later even if hes a fisherman hes going to forget how to fish for himself.


60 posted on 07/12/2012 6:41:24 PM PDT by Monorprise
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