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Early voting on the rise for primaries, TSPLOST
WSB Radio ^ | 7/12/2012 | sandra parrish

Posted on 07/13/2012 5:03:34 AM PDT by from occupied ga

Early voting just began this week for the upcoming primary, but some metro counties are already seeing a surge of early voters. In Henry County, elections officials say they are seeing up to 500 voters a day and are now expecting a 45-50 percent turnout for the primary.

Turnout has been similar in DeKalb County.

"We are already seeing more people coming out than in 2008's primary... we've already voted more people in three days than we voted in the first five weeks of 2008," says the county's elections supervisor Maxine Daniels.

She says the presidential race, the transportation sales tax referendum, as well as numerous local races may be having an affect on early voting.

Numbers of early voters have also been higher in Cobb and Gwinnett Counties.

WSB's Sandra Parrish found many voters at DeKalb's elections headquarters who will be out of town during the July 31 primary and wanted to make sure their votes counted on the TSPLOST referendum.

"I've lived in cities like New York and Boston where they have strong transportation systems, so I've always been a strong supporter of it and that's why I came out early," says Frank Casper.

Richard Couture also came out early, but to oppose the tax. He doesn't think the project list has enough transit for him to support it.

"I would vote for SPLOST if it were for transit rather than road building," he says.

Early voting this year only runs for 21 days, less than half the time in previous elections. Daniels thinks that could also be one reason why turnout is higher.]


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: salestax; taxincrease; tsplost
Just another example of biased reporting. NOTE the two examples: One is in favor of it because hs a fan of public transit (He's from NY) I have a question for Mr casper. WHY ARE YOU HERE RATHER THAN IN NY? If taxes and public transport are so great why did you move to GA rather than staying in your beloved NY? And the other one, nominally opposed because 52% support for MARTA is NOT enough for him.

How many interviews did they have to sort through before they could cherry pick these two.

How about I'm against the tax because raising taxes in a recession is the dumbest thing you can do. OR I'm against it because why should I subsidize transit when I don't use it - raise the fares OR It IS NOT A PENNY TAX. It's a six BILLION dollar tax OR They already admit that $6,000,000,000 is just a first step. How much of our money will it take to satisfy these greedy bastards? OR how about all of the corporte heads who are all for it like AT&T and Southern Company putting their employees on flex hours of 4 ten hour days a week and cutting the peak highway loading down that way, etc.

1 posted on 07/13/2012 5:03:41 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: from occupied ga

I’m voting ‘NO’ on T-SPLOST! Too many questions about the honestly/integrity of this huge tax increase.


2 posted on 07/13/2012 5:18:25 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide

I will vote no, as we already have a road tax built into the price of gasoline, but I didn’t even know there was early voting for this.


3 posted on 07/13/2012 5:28:28 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: rawhide
Too many questions about the honestly/integrity of this huge tax increase

Fer sher. Atlanta Chamber of Commerce has spent SEVEN MILLION DOLLARS in advertising to try and ram this tax down our throats. They expect a thousand fold payoff in getting their greedy hands on taxpayer money. It's $6,000,000,000 of taxpayer plunder to enrich some individuals and corporations in just the metro area alone if this measure passes

This "penny tax" will cost the average metro area family (approx 1.4 million families.) 6,000,000,000/1,400,000 or $4285 each over 10 years.

4 posted on 07/13/2012 5:48:44 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: MrChips
but I didn’t even know there was early voting for this

There has been a very intense and very one sided corporate campaign in favor of this around the Atlanta area. Lot's of big shot corporate types trying to get their employees to vote for it, and who knows may of the employees may be dumb enoug to do just that.

5 posted on 07/13/2012 5:56:40 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

I am in Savannah. It is pretty quiet here, although I have seen a few commercials.


6 posted on 07/13/2012 5:58:44 AM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: MrChips
It's a regional based tax. the so-called "project list" is different for that area rather than Atlanta. You supposedly don't have to worry about your taxes supporting MARTA, but with such loosely defined controls ie. politicians and bureaucrats promises, you could easily end up sending your money to Atlanta.
7 posted on 07/13/2012 6:02:38 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga
This "penny tax" will cost the average metro area family ... $4285 each over 10 years.

That's a used car, which with care will last that long. I'll need a replacement beater soon, and expect to spend about that much - and, should TSPLOST pass, I may not be able to.

Or...maybe that's the point: take away people's replacement-car money, and they'll HAVE to use MARTA (whether they live/work anywhere near pickup/dropoff is ignored).

Recurring un-discussed theme of taxation: when taxes are raised, what will taxpayers have to give up? Raise sales tax a penny for limited transportation, and make millions beholden to that mode of transportation - denying them the practical freedom to choose other options. I can't choose to drive if you take away my money needed to buy a car.

8 posted on 07/13/2012 6:21:03 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: ctdonath2
Recurring un-discussed theme of taxation: when taxes are raised, what will taxpayers have to give up?

That's NEVER discussed when the tax eaters want to loot your wallet for more. This problem has been around for a long time. You've probably read Bastiat's What is seen and what is not seen but in case you haven't it's a really great little essay on exactly that problem. If we could get all of the dumbass voters who are in favor of this stupidity to read it, those with a few functioning brain cells (NOT 0bama supporters) might change their minds about supporting it.

9 posted on 07/13/2012 6:43:30 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: ctdonath2
Recurring un-discussed theme of taxation: when taxes are raised, what will taxpayers have to give up?

That's NEVER discussed when the tax eaters want to loot your wallet for more. This problem has been around for a long time. You've probably read Bastiat's What is seen and what is not seen but in case you haven't it's a really great little essay on exactly that problem. If we could get all of the dumbass voters who are in favor of this stupidity to read it, those with a few functioning brain cells (NOT 0bama supporters) might change their minds about supporting it.

10 posted on 07/13/2012 6:43:48 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

Just say no to TSPLOST!!!


11 posted on 07/13/2012 6:50:45 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: from occupied ga

I will not ever vote for a tax. Not ever. It will never, ever go away and the govment will always, always want more.

Starve the sons of bitches - they do not spend my money wisely at all. They waste it.

The Ga 400 “temporary” toll? Ga 400 is paid for yet the toll hasn’t gone away as promised. So $52,000 per day is collected - for what? I’ll tell you for what ... to waste on vote-buying. Dammit.


12 posted on 07/13/2012 6:56:09 AM PDT by Principled (It's not enthusiasm for Romney, it's grim determination to remove Hussein)
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To: ctdonath2
...when taxes are raised, what will taxpayers have to give up?

I do like the way you put that.

13 posted on 07/13/2012 6:58:15 AM PDT by Principled (It's not enthusiasm for Romney, it's grim determination to remove Hussein)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Just say no to TSPLOST!!!

I'm saying no and you're saying no, but there are a lot of idiots saying yes. (like the one from NY in the article.) It has long been my contention that New Yorkers befoul everyting they touch, but that's a discussion for another thread:-)

14 posted on 07/13/2012 7:08:45 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Principled
I will not ever vote for a tax. Not ever. It will never, ever go away and the govment will always, always want more.

Too true. Isn't it funny how those who want to keep what THEY EARNED are called greedy by the politicians, but the politicians who want to take what YOU and I earned are never considered "greedy." by the media?

they do not spend my money wisely at all. They waste it.

Even if they spent it "wisely" They couldn't spend it as wisely as you could yourself. This is just another example of the economic "central planning" that was such a disasterous failure in the Soviet Union and remains a disaster in Cuba today. The central planning bureaucrats see something that they want either because they genuinely think it would bring a benefit (I know, ha ha) or they see a way to benefit themselves out of it.

The Ga 400 “temporary” toll? Ga 400 is paid for yet the toll hasn’t gone away as promised.

And such is the worth of politicians promises - nothing. You can put the same degree of trust in the promises of how this money will be spent.

15 posted on 07/13/2012 7:26:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

I have sent an email to everyone I know telling them to vote agains’t it.


16 posted on 07/13/2012 7:28:29 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: from occupied ga

I have sent an email to everyone I know telling them to vote agains’t it.


17 posted on 07/13/2012 7:28:29 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: from occupied ga

(slight digression...)

I was just explaining to my favorite Leftist how (per his baseline example) a Wall Street lawyer making a half-million might very well react to the Obama’s “repeal Bush tax cuts for the rich” plan: faced with a tax hike equaling a week’s pay, thus faced with losing a week of vacation just to keep the same net income, he may instead opt to take another week of unpaid vacation - dropping the extra tax revenue some 40% from what’s expected & advertised now.

Raise taxes, and people WILL change their behavior. Don’t be so sure about what revenue that increase will produce.


18 posted on 07/13/2012 10:50:25 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: ctdonath2
Don’t be so sure about what revenue that increase will produce.

Problem with a sales tax is that it is difficult to change behavior to avoid it. We all buy things. I buy on-line where it makes sense to do so, but there is a limit to this. The backstabbers in the legislature already approved a plan to tax internet sales and our RINO gov signed it into law.

19 posted on 07/13/2012 11:25:57 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: ctdonath2
dropping the extra tax revenue some 40% from what’s expected & advertised now

I don't follow your math. Let's assume the guy works 200 days and is getting hit with a 40% incremental rate. To simplify calculations let's also assume that dropping a week (unpaid) will still leave him in the 40% bracket. So by my calculations the government is losing (5days/200days)*(40%) or tax revenue of 1% of this guy's income if he's making taxable income of 1/2 million they're losing $5000. What am I missing in your example?

20 posted on 07/13/2012 11:34:51 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: from occupied ga

The math is a bit prolific for one off-topic post on this thread.

Point was that to hit someone with an Obama-suggested tax increase will encourage that taxpayer to work less, resulting in much less of a revenue increase than planned. Hit someone with a tax increase equaling a week of unpaid vacation, and instead of working an extra week to maintain the same net income he may very well decide to take an additional week of vacation, which in high tax brackets (example was $0.5M/yr) cuts the expected tax revenue by 40%.

It’s a variant of my main point on your TSPLOST threads: the “one cent” tax increase will cost me the equivalent of a replacement (used) car ... now, do I take MARTA instead (as socially engineered to)? or do I take FUKITOL and do something that will deprive the state of that revenue?

I’m developing a headache. Pardons if I don’t develop these points more. :-)


21 posted on 07/13/2012 2:15:37 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: from occupied ga

The tax brackets are a bit more complex, applying at different percentages (ex.: everyone, no matter how rich, pays 10% on the first $17,000 income). The roughly 4-point increase to the over-$250K brackets are calculated at netting the feds an extra $9560 revenue on a guy making $10,000/week. Annoyed that he’d have to work an extra week to cover that higher tax payment, he may very well decide to just take an extra week off without pay, reducing his annual income by $10,000 and reducing feds’ net revenue increase to just $5600 ... a 40% decrease in expected federal revenue increase.

It’s a variant of “going Galt”: instead of paying increased taxes, our rich guy making a half-million a year might decide to take half a month of unpaid vacation, which results in the feds not getting any more money (and the economy suffering reduced productivity).

Likewise, realizing that TSPLOST is going to cost me the price of a car, I may very well decide to make a fundamental change in spending which will reduce those taxes. Pushing people to the “had enough” point can have unintended consequences.


22 posted on 07/13/2012 2:45:25 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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