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The Case Against Condi
National Review Online ^ | July 13, 2013 | Ramesh Ponnuru

Posted on 07/13/2012 11:37:05 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie

I doubt Romney is seriously considering Rice, because it seems so obvious that she would be a disastrous pick. Just in case there are people who do not see this, let me run through some of the reasons.

1) Her selection would seriously offend many social conservatives — possibly enough to depress their turnout. In general, I think claims that conservatives will stay home in this election are overblown: Opposition to President Obama is running pretty hot. A vice-presidential nominee who is “mildly” in favor of letting a million unborn children be killed every year, though, would be one of the few things that would make this scenario plausible. Keep in mind, she would be the first pro-choicer on a Republican ticket since Roe v. Wade — unless she flipped and made herself look like a political hack just as the country was being introduced to her as a candidate.

2) Related: Her selection would require Romney to go back on his word. During the primaries, he committed to picking a pro-life vice president. (See the South Carolina forum held on September 5, 2011.)

3) Further related: Her selection would reinforce doubts conservatives already have about him.

4) He might get a convention fight. It only takes a majority of six states’ delegations to force a floor vote on an alternative vice-presidential nominee. Imagine what a mess that would be for Romney.

5) We have no idea where she stands on, or how much she knows about, or how comfortable she is discussing, a lot of issues. Where does she stand on same-sex marriage? If the press challenges her on the Ryan budget’s “draconian” cuts to Pell Grants, what would she say?

6) She has never run for anything. Yes, she has been in the public eye. Running for office, let alone the vice presidency, is a very different experience — one she may not be ready for.

7) Her foreign-policy views will draw opposition from some segments of the party without drawing enthusiastic support from any of them. I’m neither a Paulite nor a neoconservative on foreign policy — though I’m closer to the latter — so it doesn’t bother me that she too belongs to neither camp. As a supporter of the Iraq War who opposed the surge, though, she is in something of a political no man’s land in the Republican party.

8) We’d get to relitigate the foreign-policy decisions of the Bush years. Remember the “sixteen words” controversy, which led to Plame-gate? You will by the end of a campaign with her on the ticket.

9) Any attempts to distance Romney from the Bush years in general would instantly be undone.

10) Romney puts a great deal of stock in his experience as an executive and a manager. How good is Rice’s track record in this respect? My understanding — and I could be wrong — is that one of the main things a national-security adviser is supposed to do is manage the national-security apparatus of the executive branch so that it’s working as one. This is something that famously did not happen during Rice’s time at the NSA, when the Pentagon, State, and the CIA were working at cross purposes. (“Unity in the executive” was something the Bush administration believed in theory.)

11) Meanwhile, I don’t see the upside. Are there uncommitted voters who really miss the foreign policy of the Bush years? The notion that picking Rice will help Republicans make inroads against Obama with black voters is a pathetic fantasy.

Romney would be nuts to pick Rice. He’s not perfect, but he’s not nuts.


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1 posted on 07/13/2012 11:37:08 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie
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To: Uncle Miltie

Rice would be the worst pick possible. Pro-abortion, anti-Israel and not one black voter would switch to Romney anyway. So what’s the point?


2 posted on 07/13/2012 11:39:23 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Uncle Miltie

Good arguments. Can’t be denied.


3 posted on 07/13/2012 11:40:07 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: Uncle Miltie

He should pick Nikki Haley or any one of the other republican conservative women governors. because there asre more of them than female dim governors.


4 posted on 07/13/2012 11:41:17 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Uncle Miltie
Rice: Better to have Hamas in power than in streets
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1733397/posts

Rice: Palestinians deserve to live free of ‘occupation’[at an event of pro-Palestinian group]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1717847/posts

US Supplies Fatah With Arms, Rice Decries “Occupation”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1718348/posts

Rice: Israel Must Withdraw from More than Gaza and Samaria
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333354/posts

Commencement Address at Boston College (Secretary Condoleezza Rice, Boston, Massachusetts, May 22, 2006. US Department of State)

Excerpts:

As a student of a Catholic high school, the Sisters of Loretta taught me, I am pleased to be at an institution of higher education with such strong and celebrated Catholic and Jesuit traditions . . . You see, I got my Master's Degree at Notre Dame. (Boos.) I acquired a passion for the fighting Irish . . . and my family has been college educated and Presbyterian ever since. (Laughter and applause.) . . . I wandered into a course on international politics taught by a Czech refugee who specialized in Soviet studies, a man who had a daughter by the name of Madeleine Albright. With that one class, I was hooked. I discovered that my passion was Russia and all things Russian.


5 posted on 07/13/2012 11:46:04 AM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: GraceG

PPLEEEEEEEEEEASE, Mitt, WHOEVER you pick make sure they are a REAL Natural Born Citizen (ie NO Jindal, No Rubio, NO NON-NBCs)


6 posted on 07/13/2012 11:46:20 AM PDT by CanuckYank
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To: Signalman

And I’ve heard rumors about her personal life that, if true, could cause her big problems. I don’t know if these rumors have any merit, but you know how the left is. They’ll drag her through the mud worse than they did Clarence Thomas and Sarah Palin.


7 posted on 07/13/2012 11:52:05 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Is this speculation about Condi Rice for Veep a trial balloon by The Romney Etch-a-Sketch Harvard Team?

Or, is this just more Axelrod Obamasmoke gleefully spread by the Liberal Agenda Media?


8 posted on 07/13/2012 11:53:07 AM PDT by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Signalman

Tons of BUSH baggage too


9 posted on 07/13/2012 11:54:07 AM PDT by Fred (http://www.obamanomicsoutsourced.com/)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Romney's choice for VP must be strongly pro-life, pro-second Amendment, and at least spent some time living in the South or appeal to Southerners.

With a team member who meets those qualifications, he will unite his base and probably become our next president. That is unless Obama declares an emergency or steals the election. In any event, we're in so much trouble that I'm not sure it matters who wins the election.

10 posted on 07/13/2012 11:55:25 AM PDT by Errant
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To: Uncle Miltie
The case against Condi in two words: ALLEN WEST
11 posted on 07/13/2012 11:58:05 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: murron

I hope that Romney isn’t falling into the trap of thinking that a black candidate will somehow grant him immunity from attacks; it won’t.


12 posted on 07/13/2012 12:00:19 PM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Signalman

Yep


13 posted on 07/13/2012 12:01:25 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Uncle Miltie

A small positive...at least we could accuse the left of being sexist and racist when they start their attacks.


14 posted on 07/13/2012 12:03:13 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Uncle Miltie

He’s nuts.


15 posted on 07/13/2012 12:03:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: CanuckYank
Mitt's clearly not terribly pro-American. Neither are his followers.

He knows that they will be pleased with his choices among recent immigrant families.

16 posted on 07/13/2012 12:06:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Uncle Miltie

Condie isn’t being considered. This is just another “story of the day” from Axelrod so no one notices Obama killed welfare reform.


17 posted on 07/13/2012 12:08:56 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Signalman

But, but, but, but, Saint Sarah said she’d be a wonderful pick.

St. Sarah can’t be wrong, can she???????????


18 posted on 07/13/2012 12:09:02 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: Uncle Miltie

Relax Ramesh. It isn’t going to be Condi.

These are like star-turns on the Oscars red carpet. This weekend is “Condi Weekend”. Next week will be another Republican (slightly more important than Condi Rice). The game continues until we get an actual announcement. Probably just before the convention.


19 posted on 07/13/2012 12:13:08 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Laughable concerns.

The veep we have is a gaff machine.

Plus, he's a plagiarist.

Obama still wins.

20 posted on 07/13/2012 12:15:37 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: Uncle Miltie

This moron is splitting hairs while Obama is loading the unborn into dumpsters with a pitchfork.


21 posted on 07/13/2012 12:15:47 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Obamaid has to go.)
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To: DTogo

It’s going to be Bobby Jindal.

1) He’s a minority, so it mutes the lefts “lily white Republicans” battle cry.

2) He’s pro-life and a Christian (raised Hindu, he converted to Christianity as a young adult).

3) He’s universally admired for his abilities (by both sides of the aisle). There’s not doubt he could handle the presidency if required. Putting Biden next to him on a stage would be like putting a Tonka bulldozer next to Caterpillar bulldozer.

4) He has government LA as a conservative.

5) While Asian-Indian Americans only account for 1% of the population, they are still up for grabs. If it ends up being a tight election that 1% could make a big difference. Also, they would likely become very active foot-soldiers.

BTW, when it comes to the natural born citizen question...the Supreme court just did pretzel twists to ensure ObamaCare was Constitutional. Does anyone really think they’re going to say someone that was born on US soil isn’t a natural born citizen? Not a chance; not a snowball’s chance in Hades; not in this day and age.

It doesn’t matter what YOU think, it only matters what the court does. And, the Supreme court won’t go there; I doubt they would even agree to hear the case in the fist place.


22 posted on 07/13/2012 12:20:47 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Obama Admits He Can't Fix What Bush Broke, So Why Reelect Obama?)
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To: Uncle Miltie

I think Condie is a brilliant choice. I honestly think Obama would lose if Romney chose Condie. Who cares about the social conservatives. Even Democrats would vote for Condie to make up the loss.


23 posted on 07/13/2012 12:31:31 PM PDT by PingPongChampion
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To: PingPongChampion
"I think Condie is a brilliant choice. I honestly think Obama would lose if Romney chose Condie. Who cares about the social conservatives. Even Democrats would vote for Condie to make up the loss.

You sure you logged into the correct forum?
24 posted on 07/13/2012 12:42:00 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Uncle Miltie; a fool in paradise

Much a-doo-doo about nothing. About a dude to attend foreign funerals. Choose me, I’m the best when it comes to doing nothing!


25 posted on 07/13/2012 12:47:20 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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To: PingPongChampion
I think Condie is a brilliant choice. I honestly think Obama would lose if Romney chose Condie. Who cares about the social conservatives.

You're on the wrong site, bub. You must be looking for truebluerhino.com.

So you've been a member for all of 4 days. With posts like these, I smell zot in your near future.

26 posted on 07/13/2012 12:54:01 PM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: PingPongChampion

LOL!

Good one.


27 posted on 07/13/2012 12:54:34 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Individual Liberty, R.I.P, 6/28/2012)
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To: Uncle Miltie
#5:

Rice and first lady Laura Bush spoke for the administration at the Oct. 10 [2006] swearing-in at the State Department where Dybul was accompanied by his male partner, Jason Claire.

Rice, during her comments, referred to the presence of Claire’s mother and called her Dybul’s “mother-in-law.”

Rice's approving 'gay' remarks rankle GOP base
http://www.wnd.com/2006/10/38405/

28 posted on 07/13/2012 1:13:01 PM PDT by donna (Mitt quote: ..gay couples raising kids. That's the American way..(Penn ST feels same about showers))
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To: Brookhaven
Jindal would be far better than Condi.

The only negative against Jindal was that a speech he gave (as a rebuttal to the State of the Union) got panned as boring (I didn't sse it myself).

Condi is someone who looks good on paper but the reality doesn't live up to the billing.

Reminds me of something I read recently of a man in a pastry shop admiring a beautifully-decorated cake. The baker was an honest man and told him, "I'm afraid, sir, it won't be much for eating."

29 posted on 07/13/2012 1:28:40 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Arkansas Toothpick
I hope that Romney isn’t falling into the trap of thinking that a black candidate will somehow grant him immunity from attacks; it won’t.

Look how the RNC's grand Michael Steele strategy worked out. Condi is a talented and brilliant woman who did a good job in the context of the Dubya administration. That said, pandering to skin color is not a good look for Republicans.

30 posted on 07/13/2012 1:38:43 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Real men are not threatened by strong women." -- Sarah Palin)
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To: Verginius Rufus

For that speech he was told not to speak in his usual style, but rather slow it down and be deliberate. The result: it bombed.

Jindal has a quick, almost Brooklyn style of speaking (some parts of LA have accents and speaking styles that are indistinguishable from Brooklyn, NY—it’s kind of amazing/weird). He is a good public speaker, but not in the conventional sense.

The fact that he is soooo out there recently (making speeches, on TV & radio) representing Romney recently makes me think that the Romney campaign is behind it. They’re getting the national press accustomed to him, so when he’s announced as the VP pick there won’t be any of this he speaks funny or looks funny stuff.

I don’t see any other potential VP candidate making the rounds like Jindal has been. Certainly not as an outright Romney surrogate the way Jindal has been doing. That leads me to think it’s all but a done deal.


31 posted on 07/13/2012 1:41:36 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Obama Admits He Can't Fix What Bush Broke, So Why Reelect Obama?)
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To: Errant

Allen West!


32 posted on 07/13/2012 4:28:31 PM PDT by Taxman (So that the beautiful pressure does not diminish!)
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To: shibumi

No, he’s not. He clicked something wrong.


33 posted on 07/13/2012 4:38:14 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Uncle Miltie
9) Any attempts to distance Romney from the Bush years in general would instantly be undone.

It's refreshing to hear a writer from the NR openly state the obvious. Dubya is toxic to the GOP and for good reason.

34 posted on 07/13/2012 4:52:00 PM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Taxman
Allen West!

Now you may have something there. He has strong character, something Romney might be concerned about, but West is also disciplined and will do his part in a team environment.

There would be less excuse for blacks to not vote Republican, and West may pull a few more .mil votes. I did a little looking at his record on abortion and same sex marriage and I believe I could manage to vote for such a ticket, if Romney stated or implied that West would be allowed to work toward making abortion illegal (doubt that happening though).

Certainly a Romney/West ticket has many more possibilities than a Romney/Rice or an unknown like the one guy who has been mentioned in the news recently.

One other positive, we sorely need someone with military experience in a top level executive position, now that Obama has set the Middle East on fire.

35 posted on 07/13/2012 7:56:52 PM PDT by Errant
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