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Rabbis call on German Jews to defy circumcision ruling
Jewish World Review ^ | 7/13/2012 | AFP Writer

Posted on 07/13/2012 3:19:23 PM PDT by Former Fetus

Orthodox rabbis from across Europe urged Jews in Germany Thursday to continue circumcising baby boys, at an "emergency" meeting called over a court ruling branding the religious rite a criminal act.

"We call on the Jewish community and on parents to continuing practising brit milah (the Jewish circumcision ritual) and not to wait for a change to the judicial ruling," Pinchas Goldschmidt, president of the Conference of European Rabbis, told a meeting in Berlin of around 40 Orthodox Jewish clerics.

Goldschmidt said circumcision of boys on the eighth day after birth was a crucial tenet of Jewish law and that Jews were obliged to respect it.

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TOPICS: Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: circumcision; germany; islam; judaism
When Antiochus Epiphanes banned circumcision, the Jewish answer was the Maccabees' revolt. In 1986, in "The Jewish State" Herlz prophesied that a new race of Maccabees would arise once the Jews re-entered history as a nation.
1 posted on 07/13/2012 3:19:36 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: Former Fetus

I don’t see why German Jews just don’t take their kids to Israel to have this done if they want to do it so bad. But Germany has a right to set their own laws and if anyone doesn’t like them then they need to get involved in politics to change or repeal the law. Just like we’re having to do with gun control and Obamacare.


2 posted on 07/13/2012 3:23:21 PM PDT by MeganC (If you are hell-bent on delaying maturity you will likely succeed.)
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To: Former Fetus

Herlz?


3 posted on 07/13/2012 3:30:29 PM PDT by Misterioso (It is futile to fight against, if one does not know what one is fighting for. - Ayn Rand)
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To: MeganC
But Germany has a right to set their own laws and if anyone doesn’t like them then they need to get involved in politics to change or repeal the law.

Germans in the 1930s, presumably, had the same rights.

4 posted on 07/13/2012 3:34:51 PM PDT by Misterioso (It is futile to fight against, if one does not know what one is fighting for. - Ayn Rand)
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To: Former Fetus
So what's the deal here?

Is this a purely anti-semitic thing, or is this something that the sodomites dig? Or both?

5 posted on 07/13/2012 3:39:21 PM PDT by rhinohunter (DraftWalkerNow)
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To: Former Fetus
So what's the deal here?

Is this a purely anti-semitic thing, or is this something that the sodomites dig? Or both?

6 posted on 07/13/2012 3:39:30 PM PDT by rhinohunter (DraftWalkerNow)
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To: Former Fetus
So what's the deal here?

Is this a purely anti-semitic thing, or is this something that the sodomites dig? Or both?

7 posted on 07/13/2012 3:39:42 PM PDT by rhinohunter (DraftWalkerNow)
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To: Misterioso

“Germans in the 1930s, presumably, had the same rights.”

They did. Hate to say it, but the Holocaust and all of the atrocities leading up to it were perfectly legal. The Germans dotted their i’s and crossed their t’s and left the Allies a fantastic paper trail so we could hang a bunch of them after the war.

They had very right in the world to pass their laws and we had every right in the world to reduce their cities to ash and rubble.

This issue is a far different matter and it is an issue of a secular state saying that religious reasons are not valid for performing medically needless surgeries on infants. So while they’re banning circumcision for the Jews, they’ve also banned it for the Muslims who do it, too. And they’ve also criminalized the evil things the Muslims do to littel girls and, in that, they’re ahead of the USA.


8 posted on 07/13/2012 3:54:43 PM PDT by MeganC (If you are hell-bent on delaying maturity you will likely succeed.)
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To: MeganC

Yeah, look how that’s working out. I’m sure it would be so much more effective somewhere else.


9 posted on 07/13/2012 4:04:42 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: Former Fetus

Good for the rabbis! These kinds of absurd prohibitions beg to be defied. Hey, Bundestag: keep your nose out of their foreskin!


10 posted on 07/13/2012 4:08:01 PM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: MeganC

You equate “the evil things Muslims do to little girls” with circumcision. Google “sophistry”. After you finish that pitcher of KoolAid, that is.


11 posted on 07/13/2012 4:09:02 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: rhinohunter

It’s “anti-semitic” in that no religion—neither Judaism nor Islam—can use religion as an excuse to circumcise minor males. Minors may be circumcised for medical purposes only (not potential preventative reasons, like lessening the possibility of getting penile cancer, but current medical reasons such as severe infection, etc).

As for the sodomites, while they may dig having their genitals intact, almost all heterosexual European men are as God made them. If a religion demands that God requires the slicing away of genitals to prove the believers’ faith, then this can be achieved in a more accommodating environment, or waiting until the believer is of legal age to make his own choice.

Germany, is not the US, and has a right to create its own laws, as does any sovereign nation. However, this is hypocritical in light of the fact that it’s perfectly legal to murder pre-born infants. That is the true evil of this law: that it focuses solely on a “minor” mutilation, but ignores the greatest mutilation of all.


12 posted on 07/13/2012 4:19:54 PM PDT by two134711 (I am Conservative, no longer a Republican.)
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To: MeganC

Hmm,,, maybe because not every family has money laying around to just fly to Israel to get it done, and because not every women and child should be traveling a week after delivery?
And no, the Germans really should butt out on a long established rite of the Jewish faith. Of all nations, they should STFU on their opinions of how Jews should behave. And we see endless German accomodation for Muslim crap.


13 posted on 07/13/2012 4:21:21 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Misterioso

Theodor Herzl (May 2, 1860 – July 3, 1904), the father of modern political Zionism and in effect the State of Israel.


14 posted on 07/13/2012 4:24:46 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: MeganC

“if anyone doesn’t like them then they need to get involved in politics to change or repeal the law”

And you see, Jews are a tiny minority on Germany. You might not have heard, but they had this big crazy thingy happen there,,, in the 1940s i think.


15 posted on 07/13/2012 4:25:28 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: MeganC

Review Ann Barnhards graphic video of Muslim female circumcision and tell us it bears the slightest resemblance to circumcising males. Lunacy to draw any equivalence there.

And Germans have lost ANY right to regulate trivial practices which the jews hold important to their covenant with God.


16 posted on 07/13/2012 4:31:58 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Circumcision of males is widespread in Islam also. The Bible tells how Abraham circumcised his son Ishmael, the father of the Arab nation.


17 posted on 07/13/2012 4:34:32 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

if that’s supposed to be relevant you’re going to have to draw me a picture or pass the crack-pipe.


18 posted on 07/13/2012 4:36:32 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (A Dalmation was spotted wagging its tail.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
I read the post you responded too and now see your point.

One day I may learn to read everything before I open my mouth.

19 posted on 07/13/2012 4:40:14 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: the invisib1e hand

See post nineteen.


20 posted on 07/13/2012 4:41:11 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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21 posted on 07/13/2012 4:41:47 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Former Fetus

Germans legislate Jewish religious practices. Again it begins.


22 posted on 07/13/2012 4:44:10 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: musicman
I know precious little about Angela Merkel, but I do know that every photo I've ever seen in which she and Obamalamadingdong are together, she looks like she'd love to kick the living feces outta him.

For that alone, I respect her.

23 posted on 07/13/2012 4:51:31 PM PDT by workerbee (June 28, 2012 -- 9/11 From Within)
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To: DesertRhino

“And you see, Jews are a tiny minority on Germany”

Just as they are in the USA. Yet there’s more Jews in the Congress than there are blacks, Hispanics, and Asians, combined. I’m just saying that if they get involved they’d have a voice to repeal this law via the process.


24 posted on 07/13/2012 5:03:17 PM PDT by MeganC (If you are hell-bent on delaying maturity you will likely succeed.)
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To: workerbee
I agree!!


25 posted on 07/13/2012 5:08:39 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: DesertRhino

“And Germans have lost ANY right to regulate trivial practices”

The same law could easily pass in the USA.

Oh, wait, it has:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2077240,00.html

I guess San Francisco, home of Dianne Feinstein, hates Jews?


26 posted on 07/13/2012 5:09:34 PM PDT by MeganC (If you are hell-bent on delaying maturity you will likely succeed.)
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To: Former Fetus

Why are governments suddenly fixated on infant penises.


27 posted on 07/13/2012 5:30:42 PM PDT by DManA
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To: IronJack

“These kinds of absurd prohibitions beg to be defied.”

Until I read this I (as a circumcized Christian) had no idea German Christians/atheists didn’t get circumcised. I thought most Europeans did, though maybe not in the south (I know Hispanics often don’t).

Isn’t there a whole hygiene issue (besides the religious side)? My sons were all circumcised; it was a foregone conclusion when they were born. It is uncomfortable at first (they holler when they urinate while it heals), but well worth it for the rest of their lives.


28 posted on 07/13/2012 5:52:02 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

The health benefits of circumcision are debatable, but most Gentile Germans do not get circumcised, I don’t believe. I remember reading that that was one way the SS used to identify German males of “dubious” ancestry: if they were circumcised, it was “off to the camps.”


29 posted on 07/14/2012 7:12:38 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

I remember reading something about some Jews in Argentina being taunted as “clipped pr*cks”, and it made me realize that Argentines had no idea how many Gentiles are circumcised.

We don’t have a ritual; we just do it. I believe in Turkey there is a ritual - when the kid is 13! (ouch)


30 posted on 07/14/2012 8:11:29 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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31 posted on 07/15/2012 6:43:39 AM PDT by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
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To: SJackson

How about just leaving Germany, already. Europe is done. It had its second, third, fourth and five hundredth chances. Enough.


32 posted on 07/15/2012 11:53:52 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

The difference: Circumcized men can still have erections and orgasms, and there peckers are even arguably more attractive-looking. “Circumcized” girls are left with no libido whatever, just the ability to submit to whatever a man does to them.


33 posted on 07/15/2012 11:59:12 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Former Fetus; Misterioso

Herzl was not the first Zionist or even modern Zionist. Rabbi Zevi Hirsch Kalischer published his Derishat Tziyon ve­Hevrat Erez Noshevet calling for the colonization of Palestine, the admissibility of sacrifices in Palestine, and self-help as a the means of hastening redemption in 1862, when Herzl was still nursing. Kalischer set up a agricultural school in 1870. Herzl popularized Zionism and got great press from the left, but he created no new idea. “Seeking Zion” was written a generation before “The Jewish State”


34 posted on 08/18/2012 12:43:37 AM PDT by Bulan Sabriel (We are in a Clash if Civilizations. We are all that stands between a free West or dhimmi one.)
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