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In South Africa's slums, mob justice rules
Reuters ^ | Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:15pm EDT | Wendell Roelf

Posted on 07/14/2012 1:49:28 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Beaten and set alight, Ncedile Gigi's unrecognizable remains have not been buried since March, when a mob fed up with poor policing took the law into their own hands, torching the 26-year-old in a crime-ridden South African township. …

For South Africans, the violence also evokes the dark days of apartheid when suspected collaborators of the white-minority regime were executed by "necklace"—a car tire wedged over the torso, followed by a can of gasoline, and then a match. …

Mob justice has been an ugly part of township life for years, but the escalating violence in Khayelitsha—Cape Town's largest black township of 750,000 people—has attracted the attention of prosecutors and the new national police commissioner, Riah Phiyega, who took office a month ago. …

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: anc; mobrule; necklacing; southafrica

1 posted on 07/14/2012 1:49:42 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Disgusting behavior!

Where do they think they are?

Chicago?


2 posted on 07/14/2012 1:57:10 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Ayn Rand: "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win")
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To: Iron Munro

I’m not sure how much tongue and cheek that was, but I think you’ve touched on an issue that is given too little thought.

You’ve probably considered this too, but I submit the Whites in the U. S. are on the fast track to what was done to the Whites in South Africa.

South Africa is not better off, and we can already see where we’re headed here.

Chicago IS a good case in point.


3 posted on 07/14/2012 2:00:47 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Or Sanford Fla.


4 posted on 07/14/2012 2:08:11 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: DoughtyOne; Travis McGee; dixiechick2000
Boy DO you've sure hardened from your FAB days...from way back

Sad isn't it.....you become resigned like me

I see violence looming in this country eventually

Not strictly race based but there will be a loose element of that Obama...who wasted the ear of young black men and women he surely had....

.....is helping foment this sooner rather than later

5 posted on 07/14/2012 2:11:52 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I hadn’t heard about Sanford. What took place down there?


6 posted on 07/14/2012 2:12:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: wardaddy

I have a hard time accepting the changes in our nation since January of 1993. When Reagan left office in 1989 things were in fairly good shape. Now look at us. It’s amazing.

What I didn’t count on was the complete collapse of the right. For all intents, Conservatism is all but dead in D. C. What did we do with our majority?

I have to agree with you, because nobody stands up to the Left. What other alternative can there be, if the Left supports violence? There is no push back from our leaders.

As the other poster pointed out, look at Chicago. The Black youth there have declared open season, and nobody is calling it what it is, essentially the first salvos of a race war.

I agree with your take on Obama, and the vacuum he left empty, when he could have been a source for good in Black youth.

But thenI guess you wold have to be good to do good. Just sad really.


7 posted on 07/14/2012 2:39:46 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman


8 posted on 07/14/2012 3:01:50 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: DoughtyOne

“What I didn’t count on was the complete collapse of the right. For all intents, Conservatism is all but dead in D. C. What did we do with our majority?”

It is really simple. Republicans discovered that in Washington, D.C., the members of the majority party in control could get rich by selling their votes.

In 1980 Ronald Reagan was elected President. Newt Gingrich, elected in 1978, jointed with others to ally with President Reagan and build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority - the Reagan Revolution - which directly led to the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy.

Gingrich becomes Speaker of the House and the Democrats create chaos! For the first time in a very long time the Republicans actually had to govern and take responsibility. The Dems were outnumbered.

What happened is Republicans sold their votes. Certain members of the Senate became collaborators with K Stree lobbyists. If you look at the record of Senator R. Santorum, you will see corruption written all over it.

The 1998 budget was scheduled for a $1 Billion cut and congress saw the gravy train leaving the station. No more getting rich at the public trough.

So it became “get rid of Newt Gingrich” even to the extent of manufacturing lies about him. Later, those phony ethics charges were ALL dropped. The last true conservative resigned from his post of Speaker of the House because he could no longer be effective.

Conservatism in Washington, D.C., died because of greed and self-interest.


9 posted on 07/14/2012 3:31:23 AM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: Olog-hai

Time to get honest...there is something wrong with black leadership...everywhere. Everywhere


10 posted on 07/14/2012 3:42:46 AM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Romney has foreign assets.....Obama has foreign birth certifcates)
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To: SeminoleCounty

It’s called tribalism and it isn’t unique to blacks. Look at any American city controlled by Democrats.


11 posted on 07/14/2012 3:43:55 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DoughtyOne
Or Jena La.

They almost have the frog to the boiling point.

12 posted on 07/14/2012 3:51:53 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: DoughtyOne

“The Black youth there have declared open season, and nobody is calling it what it is, essentially the first salvos of a race war.”

If it’s any consolation, Hispanics are wiping blacks off the map economically, demographically, and literally. See past the dying gasps of a dwindling people and prepare to deal with the new urban power imported to replace them.


13 posted on 07/14/2012 3:55:25 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: DoughtyOne

Wasn’t really a conservative majority in DC; just a GOP one. Many of the so-called “neoconservatives” are yet leftists at heart.


14 posted on 07/14/2012 4:01:44 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Necklacing was invented by that thug Nelson Mandela as a way to deal with political opponents.


15 posted on 07/14/2012 4:13:54 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: SatinDoll; All
I think you have it nearly all wrong. It was not conservatism that died, but rather the MSM realizing that it had to more actively defend progressivism. They had dominated the political landscape for decades, and were blindsided by the defeat they received in 1994, which occured largely because of the increase in new media.

In 1994, I thought that what we had was a political problem, and that the majorities in the House and Senate would result in real change. What happened made me reassess my premise. The Republicans tried to make real change, and had some modest sucess. Then, the MSM started attacking them relentlessly, and refusing to allow the conservatives to get their views out.

It became clear that the real problem, and the real power in the country was the MSM, which was overwhelmingly “progressive”, which set the agenda, and who decided what was important and what was not, and how issues should be framed.

Now we are in a battle to create enough new media to overcome the MSM. In many ways, we are winning.

16 posted on 07/14/2012 4:33:22 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: kearnyirish2

“The Black youth there have declared open season, and nobody is calling it what it is, essentially the first salvos of a race war.”


We ARE in a race war and are losing.

This our last gasp at waking up the public and opening their eyes to it. Political correctness is the cancer that has eaten out the heart of true Americans (not hyphenated Americans) and they cower in absolute fear of being called a racist.

Many years from now when America is just like Columbia or South Africa, stories will be told how Political Correctness changed entire societies from civilized to a jungle mentality.


17 posted on 07/14/2012 5:39:52 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: rawcatslyentist

What’s going on in Jena? My grandparents are buried there...


18 posted on 07/14/2012 5:53:14 AM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: marktwain

When formerly middle class people, like Tom Delay and Denny Hastert, leave Congress with riches, then corruption in Congress is the problem.


19 posted on 07/14/2012 6:07:17 AM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: clee1

I was in Cape Town walking with a friend of mine. We were confronted by 4 black locals who began screaming insults at us. Two black police officers stood there grinning.

Last time i ever visit south africa.


20 posted on 07/14/2012 6:18:09 AM PDT by whitedog57
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To: clee1
Couple of years ago half a dozen Tradymarks sucker attacked a white student.

Same situation as in Sanford. Thugs attacking and the victim getting blamed.

21 posted on 07/14/2012 6:19:01 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Olog-hai
I'm sort of confused....they threw out whitey, didn't they ?

...isn't it now a paradise ? / S

22 posted on 07/14/2012 6:19:40 AM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: Popman

“I’m sort of confused....they threw out whitey, didn’t they ?
...isn’t it now a paradise ? / S “

Just like the rest of Africa


23 posted on 07/14/2012 6:21:55 AM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: nonliberal
Necklacing was invented by that thug Nelson Mandela as a way to deal with political opponents.

I thought it was his fat disgusting wife who invented it.

24 posted on 07/14/2012 6:23:03 AM PDT by Popman (When you elect a clown: expect a circus...)
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To: Popman

Winnie’s political opponents were necklaced on a regular basis.


25 posted on 07/14/2012 7:42:23 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I submit the Whites in the U. S. are on the fast track to what was done to the Whites in South Africa.South Africa is not better off, and we can already see where we’re headed here.

Think of "Planet Of The Apes".

Or Rhodesia.

You can already see the start of this in government offices staffed overwhelmingly with minorities, in stores and service organizations, in courtrooms, in the Machiavellian ethics twisting by government bureaucracies and the courts to create tissue thin excuses for racial favoritism, handouts and other wealth redistribution.

The day Obama was elected there was a noticeable and instantaneous increase in surliness and discrimination on the part of blacks (and their enablers) toward whites. I think that will increase markedly the day he is booted out of office.


26 posted on 07/14/2012 7:45:13 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Ayn Rand: "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win")
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To: DH

In my area the blacks are losing ground to Hispanics in every way (politically, economically, territorially), and are even more segregated from whites than they had been before. While previously natural barriers, highways, and railroads separated them, an increasing number of “black” areas are ringed by Hispanic barrios.


27 posted on 07/14/2012 8:14:28 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: DoughtyOne

Detroit’s another example of black liberal rule - even worse than liberal elite rule.


28 posted on 07/14/2012 8:25:39 AM PDT by GOPJ (Innocent people dying was the objective of Fast and Furious......... Ann Coulter)
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To: 1010RD
Very good point. Balkanization is another spin on it. Separate the population into distinct groups and start blaming one group or another for the failings of other groups. Exactly what Obama is doing.
29 posted on 07/14/2012 9:49:44 AM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: Gabrial

Look what happened to the Chinese or East Asian business people. Some how they’re the bad guys in succeeding, bringing products to the community and making life better. The same tension exists between Pakistani and Korean business owners and blacks here in America.

The Ten Commandments are all about envy/ego and worshiping gods of our own making. Watching it unfold in real time proves the eternal nature of these principles.


30 posted on 07/14/2012 10:52:15 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: abb

Okay, thanks. After all this time, I haven’t paid attention to the town where that took place. I’ll bet city officials will be happy to hear that. LOL


31 posted on 07/14/2012 11:37:54 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: 1010RD
It’s called tribalism and it isn’t unique to blacks. Look at any American city controlled by Democrats.

Your right, tribalism isn't unique to blacks, nor is it to democrats. At a very fundamental level all humans are tribal. That is how we survived on the plains of Africa, in the forests of Europe, across the islands of Oceana. Tribalism provides safety from "the other" and a means of exploiting the environment for food and shelter. Tribes can be constructive or destructive. The Amish, North Dakotans, graduates of a particular school, on the other hand are the Bloods, Crips and muslims.

As trouble percolates around us and increases in scope and intensity, that tribalism will always reassert itself. The "Band of Brothers" that was Easy Company moving inland after D-Day. Block watches. The rest of the guys down at the loading dock. Your shipmates. We invest our trust in those we find trustworthy.

Tribes take many shapes; your immediate and extended family, your church mates, those on your block or neighborhood. Members gain acceptance and protection by helping to protect others of the tribe.

32 posted on 07/14/2012 12:29:16 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (The instinct toward liberalism is located in the part of the brain called the rectal lobe.)
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To: SatinDoll
Thanks for the response SatinDoll.  Wish I could be more agreeable with parts of it.  It will probably sound like I'm unhappy with you.  I'm not.  I just see some of these things differently.

“What I didn’t count on was the complete collapse of the right. For all intents, Conservatism is all but dead in D. C. What did we do with our majority?”

It is really simple. Republicans discovered that in Washington, D.C., the members of the majority party in control could get rich by selling their votes.  Well, I might tone that down a bit, something sure changed things.  I wouldn't be surprised if this was a part of it.

In 1980 Ronald Reagan was elected President. Newt Gingrich, elected in 1978, joined with others to ally with President Reagan and build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority - the Reagan Revolution - which directly led to the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy.  I do believe that in some ways Newt was a good guy later on, but when Reagan was president Newt disagreed with him not infrequently.  If you nose around even a little bit, you can find quotes of Newt trashing Reagan big-time, as having the absolute worst policies needed for the time.  That was the exact same line used by the Democrats of the day.  Then as we all know now, those policies worked exactly as they were intended, very positively.  Despite these vicious attacks on Reagan's policy, Newt describes himself as a friend of Reagan.  I don't believe for a second Reagan saw it that way at all.

You've got to be careful about some of these crusty old players.  John McCain caught himself on camera and had to backtrack, stating that he was out front driving Conservative policy during Reagan's presidency.  No he wasn't, unless you consider leading from behind a sound tactic.

As for Newt being pushed out by far Left Republicans, I do believe some Lefty Republicans were against him.  I don't think in excess of 50% of the Republicans in Congress were devoted Leftists when Newt left office.  There was more to it than Conservative ideology.  I don't think the guy works well with others, over the long haul.  Help come up with a good idea and push it through over a relatively short time frame, and I think he can be a brilliant asset.  Extend the time frame to years, and I think the effective aspect of his leadership suffers.  He rubs people the wrong way.

For the record, over the years I have noticed two main traits in Newt.  One, he's the best orator of our time, when it comes to making presentations on bedrock historic actions and what they meant to Conservatism.  I have been greatly moved by them a number of times.  Two, he's one of the biggest disappointments I've ever seen, when it comes to shooting off his mouth on contemporary issues.  Countless times, I have seen him submarine sound policy, thinking himself to be smarter than everyone else.  And he relishes too much, the idea that he is the sage, and everyone will catch up to him eventually.  That's a great tactic, if you're right.  Sadly, Newt isn't always right in a contemporary setting.

Yes, he has had some moments of brilliance, and sadly he's had too many moments of ignorance.  Ultimately, he's a loose cannon, one you never know when it will go off, or in which direction it will be facing when it does.

Gingrich becomes Speaker of the House and the Democrats create chaos! For the first time in a very long time the Republicans actually had to govern and take responsibility. The Dems were outnumbered.

I believe the chaos was pretty much Bill Clinton's doing.  His past finally caught up to him, and leaking information about him and his circle of contacts in the day began airing about the same time.  The only defense was to call names and as you said, create chaos.

Part of the push-back from our side was the Speaker of the House, explaining how bad it was for Clinton to be entangled with a young intern.  Then you find out that Gingrich himself was entangled with a younger staffer.  It just made our side look two-faced.  His defense was that he was separated.  I may be old school, but separations are my idea of cooling off and trying to make things work.  They're not for going out with other people.  If you want to do that, finalize the divorce, then do what you want.  I'm not a big fan of divorce, but things being what they are today, you can at least handle it on the up and up by contemporary standards.


What happened is Republicans sold their votes. Certain members of the Senate became collaborators with K Street lobbyists. If you look at the record of Senator R. Santorum, you will see corruption written all over it.  I'm not sure why you're making these comments.  The primary is over.  Neither Newt or Rick made it.   I'm not privy to everything Rick was involved in, but I do know what Newt was involved in.  He was not allowed to take up front royalties for a book, and he took up front royalties for a book.  I know Hillary got away with it later on, and her sum was exponentially larger, but that's no defense for our side doing something we knew was wrong.  We have to be honest with ourselves.

The 1998 budget was scheduled for a $1 Billion cut and congress saw the gravy train leaving the station. No more getting rich at the public trough.  It would probably have to have been more than $1 billion, because $1 billion even in that day was a small sum of money in the overall scheme of things.  Were over half the Republicans in the House so corrupt that Newt couldn't stand up to them on Conservative matters alone?  No, I'm sorry but I'm not buying it.  As popular as Newt was around 1994, by the time he left the luster had worn off.  He became very unpopular, and not because he was just too Conservative.

So it became “get rid of Newt Gingrich” even to the extent of manufacturing lies about him. Later, those phony ethics charges were ALL dropped. The last true conservative resigned from his post of Speaker of the House because he could no longer be effective.  Look, I'm not here to burst your bubble, but this is not factual.  It makes a great story for the campaign trail, but Newt knows this isn't the way it played out.

Conservatism in Washington, D.C., died because of greed and self-interest.
  Conservatism died out, because the RNC and their local affiliates only helped loft Leftist leaning candidates.  The Conservative less well funded candidates are unable to compete.  The Republican party has contacts all over.  They have well meaning but not well informed or savvy local players with deep pockets.  They get them to donate funds to the right guys, and they're off to the races.

I'm not making the case that nobody turns when they go to Washington, D. C., because they obviously do.  It's a stark reality that when you go back there, you either play ball to a certain extent with the old guard, or your district withers up and dies on the vine.  You either get appointed to decent committees, or you step outside your office right next to the odoriferous janitor's closet.

Our main problem in the House today, is a lack of leadership.  The same could be said about the Senate.  They Democrats network.  The Republicans spout off in ten different directions constantly.  You can't shut guys like McCain up.  There are a number of politicians in Washington, D. C. just like him on our side.  And they're always willing too go on television and expound on the reasoned aspects of Democrat policy, and the fringe nature of more Conservative policy.  At times, Newt has played a part in this.  It's part of the reason I don't trust him.

Thanks again.  Take care.

33 posted on 07/14/2012 1:00:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

...boiling point.

Exactly! And I am entertaining the thought that’s just what they want, us to boil over. It would give them the opportunity they have desperately wanted, to infringe our rights to the absolute max.


34 posted on 07/14/2012 1:01:53 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: kearnyirish2

I agree. And what’s strange to me, is that Blacks for some reason won’t address it.


35 posted on 07/14/2012 1:03:18 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Olog-hai

IMO, it’s still the leadership. Of course that leadership is elected by the full body, so that does reflect negatively on the body. Still, you don’t know how bad someone is going to be, until they are installed.

I would love to see a real shake-up when the new leader is elected in January 2013.

I have forgotten if the full body of the House votes on the leader, rather than just the members of the majority party. I believe everyone does. If that’s true, then a few Leftists on the right can vote with the Democrats to pick the less Conservative candidate.

One more reason why we shouldn’t have people like McCain, Snow et al...


36 posted on 07/14/2012 1:07:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: Iron Munro

I too have been noticing how many minorities are at mid-levels in government mover and shaker positions.

Education is a good example, but it’s not the only one.


37 posted on 07/14/2012 1:10:15 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: GOPJ

And Detroit is doing so well these days. Well I guess it is if you’re a Cat driver.


38 posted on 07/14/2012 1:11:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: DoughtyOne
I too have been noticing how many minorities are at mid-levels in government mover and shaker positions.

Government employment has been developed into another government wealth redistribution scheme.


39 posted on 07/14/2012 1:29:51 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Jiggle the Handle for Barry!")
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To: DoughtyOne

My argument was about why Republicans have difficulty staying conservative in Washington, D.C. Honesty and maintaining conservative principles are difficult in such an environment, that we can agree on.


40 posted on 07/14/2012 1:39:59 PM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: Iron Munro

Yes it has. And add that to the $700 billion we pay out in Welfare, it adds up to a massive payout doesn’t it.


41 posted on 07/14/2012 1:41:14 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: SatinDoll

Yes we can SatinDoll. Take care.


42 posted on 07/14/2012 5:12:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: RobinOfKingston
When the country's healthy, our little tribes are too. - for the most part. If things start falling apart - like they are now - the worst parts of tribalism will reemerge.

The 'other' goes from annoying to scary...

43 posted on 07/14/2012 7:42:36 PM PDT by GOPJ (Innocent people dying was the objective of Fast and Furious......... Ann Coulter)
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To: whitedog57

What year did you visit Cape Town?


44 posted on 07/14/2012 8:28:33 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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