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A gun in the home(OH)
toledoblade.com ^ | 14 July, 2012 | NA

Posted on 07/14/2012 5:02:03 AM PDT by marktwain

Last week, Toledo police confiscated a handgun from a 92-year-old woman after she nearly blew away a police officer because she was afraid he was a burglar trying to break into her home.

The incident highlights the potential for fatal mistakes when private citizens exercise their Second Amendment right to bear arms. But police should return the weapon to its owner if she is not going to be charged with a crime.

Annie Huddleston's Indiana Avenue neighborhood is not the most dangerous part of the city. Residents of some blocks even describe it as quiet.

But other neighbors say gunshots are everyday occurrences, vacant and abandoned buildings invite criminal activity, and break-ins and robberies are common. They blame much of the problem on young people, nearly 2,500 of whom are said to belong to about 25 gangs.

This is the sort of neighborhood Mayor Mike Bell was talking about when he told inner-city gang members in April that elderly residents were "scared to open the door," and that people "fear living in our city." In 2011, 210 people were reported shot in the city, a 73 percent increase over 2010. "As a mayor," Mr. Bell said, "I cannot allow that to continue."

It takes time to turn tough talk into tough enforcement. It takes longer for criminals to get the message. Neighborhood residents have to help by telling police who and where the bad guys are.

Until Mayor Bell and Police Chief Derrick Diggs make good on the promise to "take our city back," residents of Toledo's mean streets are going to find other ways to protect themselves. For some people, that means owning a gun.

Ms. Huddleston has had at least two guns in her home. One was stolen in a 2006 break-in. The other -- a .357

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; home; oh
Police need to be very clear about identifying themselves.
1 posted on 07/14/2012 5:02:10 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
Last week, Toledo police confiscated a handgun from a 92-year-old woman after she nearly blew away a police officer because she was afraid he was a burglar trying to break into her home.

I'd like to know the whole story. When I go onto someone's property, I knock on the front door and if they don't answer, I don't try the back windows. Had the woman any reason to believe the police were coming to her house? Were they at the front door?

2 posted on 07/14/2012 5:06:24 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain

Home(oh) alert.


3 posted on 07/14/2012 5:07:14 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (America has enemies. And friends.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

The Cop’s the good guy, here??

Ya sure had me fooled!


4 posted on 07/14/2012 5:11:12 AM PDT by Flintlock (-THE TRUTH--It's the NEW hate speech.)
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To: SampleMan
Had the woman any reason to believe the police were coming to her house?

From the article:

[She] nearly killed police Lt. Randy Pepitone as he responded to her 911 call reporting that she thought she heard a burglar.

She was afraid. She didn't respond to attempts by police to contact her. And when Lieutenant Pepitone tried to force his way into the home to check on her safety, she shot him.


5 posted on 07/14/2012 5:15:48 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: marktwain

But that would spoil the fun of no-knock warrants and that big heavy battering ram.


6 posted on 07/14/2012 5:16:05 AM PDT by relictele
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To: marktwain

The ‘potential fatal mistake’ might have been on the police end. Maybe the officers involved should have their guns confiscated for a time.


7 posted on 07/14/2012 5:19:22 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: relictele

Police should arrive in FRONT of the house with lights going and in uniform.

Did the Lt. arrive in plain clothes in a unmarked car? Lots of questions here. Hope he recovers.

Police Look-alike criminals are not new.


8 posted on 07/14/2012 5:20:35 AM PDT by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: marktwain

>>Until Mayor Bell and Police Chief Derrick Diggs make good on the promise to “take our city back,” residents of Toledo’s mean streets are going to find other ways to protect themselves. For some people, that means owning a gun.

When seconds count, police are only minutes away. A sane person’s PRIMARY means of protecting themselves should be a gun. When you go looking for “other ways”, that means getting a short spear or gladius!


9 posted on 07/14/2012 5:22:44 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: marktwain

The day is coming when a “no-knock raid” doesn’t end well for the home-intruding LEOs. Several of my former customers are LEOs and they hate those SWAT raids, occasionally on the wrong house.


10 posted on 07/14/2012 5:24:28 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Huebolt; All

Here is a link to the earlier article:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2906445/posts


11 posted on 07/14/2012 5:24:33 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Wow; it happened in this raid:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2906445/posts

I stand corrected.


12 posted on 07/14/2012 5:28:34 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: carriage_hill

And LT. Pepitone is also very stupid for trying to pry an old ladys door open without making it VERY CLEAR that he was the “police”. There will be a lot more shootings like this now that the “Castle Doctrine” is being created in many states. Older citizens (and young ones as well) are scared as they should be due to the amount of rapes, burglaries, breakins etc. happeingin all over this country. When Holders people don”t get prosecuted for crimes, guess it’s “Shoot first and ask questions later”.


13 posted on 07/14/2012 5:37:18 AM PDT by Progov
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To: AD from SpringBay

They should at least give her husband’s .357 back plus a couple more including a shotgun.


14 posted on 07/14/2012 5:48:40 AM PDT by mcshot (God bless the USA! OMG PLEASE vote ABO or OWW and our Country dies.)
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To: SampleMan
I'd like to know the whole story. When I go onto someone's property, I knock on the front door and if they don't answer, I don't try the back windows. Had the woman any reason to believe the police were coming to her house? Were they at the front door?

According to another article posted on FR the cop was trying to force her door open without identifying himself. They didn't charge her because she was in the right. He was lucky, she hit him in the head but it just clipped him. Maybe next time he is trying to "check on an old lady" he will knock and shout police. She should sue to get her gun back and maybe charge the cop with a crime.

15 posted on 07/14/2012 5:49:52 AM PDT by calex59
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To: marktwain

ping


16 posted on 07/14/2012 5:54:47 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: marktwain

“The incident highlights the potential for fatal mistakes when private citizens exercise their Second Amendment right to bear arms.”

No - the incident highlights the need for visitors to identify themselves and, if the door is not opened to them, to then GO AWAY.


17 posted on 07/14/2012 6:04:54 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: marktwain

There have certainly been a lot fo “stupid cop” stories lately—about cops who raid the wrong house, kill family pets, etc.


18 posted on 07/14/2012 6:09:41 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Progov

Yes, he is. I think the “Castle Doctrine” has a clause in it about not covering a Citizen’s right to shoot if it’s a LEO in the performance of duty, or something like that. But it sounds like Lt Pepitone wasn’t doing this one quite by-the-book. I wonder how the DA will spin it?


19 posted on 07/14/2012 6:13:19 AM PDT by carriage_hill (All libs and most dems think that life is just a sponge bath, with a happy ending.)
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To: Flintlock
The Cop’s the good guy, here?? Ya sure had me fooled!

clearly the little old lady defending herself and her home from the unannounced intruder is the enemy of society.

20 posted on 07/14/2012 6:27:07 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (America has enemies. And friends.)
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To: marktwain

“The incident highlights the potential for fatal mistakes when private citizens exercise their Second Amendment right to bear arms.”

This sentence should read “This incident highlights the potential for fatal mistakes when LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS do not follow the Fourth Amendment’s illegal search and seizures and search warrant with probable cause.”


21 posted on 07/14/2012 6:27:20 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: Jack Hammer

Cops make mistakes all the time.

There is a local cop in a town near here who is on trial right now for blowing a lady’s head off as she sat in the drivers seat of her car. She wasn’t armed, she wasn’t doing anything wrong, she didn’t appear to pose any threat to the officer. He shot her several times with his service pistol in the head at close range. He made a mistake.

I understand that the officer had recently returned from duty overseas. There has been some discussion that PTSD may have had some influence. Still, he made a mistake.

If you choose to keep a firearm in your home, and I have lots and lots of them, you should be aware of your responsibility in the way those weapons are used and stored.

If you shoot someone on your property, you better have a really good, iron clad, reason for doing so. If you kill them, you will still be investigated for the shooting. All of your firearms will be confiscated, not just the one involved, until the inquest is over. The law will toss the rest of your house while they are at it, just to make sure. You will probably get most of your guns back, someday.

If you don’t kill the person you shot at, all of the above is still going to happen except now you are going to be sued to the extent that a cardboard box beside a dumpster somewhere will look pretty good in the near future.

If you shoot and kill what you were certain was a burglar and it turns out to be your drunk brother-in-law, you are going to jail. You must be able to ID your target BEFORE you use deadly force. Those aren’t just noble sounding words, it’s the law.

I don’t want to live next door to anyone who starts blazing away with a .357 Magnum. I own two of them currently and I will attest to the power of this cartridge. It has the velocity and energy to penetrate the outside walls of the shooter’s house as well as those of the neighbor’s.

I will be happy to do whatever I can to try to get this lady’s gun gun back for her under the condition that she trade it to me for a 20 gauge, single barreled shotgun and a lifetime supply of self defense shells which won’t take out the burglar, the cat, and the neighbor sitting in his kitchen.

That way, the next time a stupid cop tries to break in her door without announcing himself, he won’t walk away so lucky.


22 posted on 07/14/2012 6:59:47 AM PDT by Rearden (Deo Vindices)
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To: marktwain
"I cannot allow that to continue."

Obama-scale hubris there.

23 posted on 07/14/2012 7:19:52 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Huebolt

They could call her and tell here they are outside and going to be looking around the house, too. That would be both reassuring to her and safety for the cop. It would be common curtesy.


24 posted on 07/14/2012 7:23:59 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Huebolt

Years ago, I had the police call me in the middle of the night asking if a particular tag and car belonged to me.

They were looking for a runaway, and they damned sure didn’t want to banging on the door in the middle of the night. Smart move.


25 posted on 07/14/2012 7:27:58 AM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: PhatHead
She didn't respond to attempts by police to contact her

I'd like to know what attempts were made. Her story might be different than theirs. If they identified themselves loudly and said they were there for a welfare check and looked around the house and yard then that's one thing but if they just knocked then tried breaking in that's something else. Many people ignore knocks.

26 posted on 07/14/2012 7:30:04 AM PDT by bgill
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Years ago, I had the police call me in the middle of the night asking if a particular tag and car belonged to me

Wow, similair thing happened to my family. We had neighbors with a teenage girl who caused her mom big problems. At any rate, another neighbor got tired of the yelling and screaming and called 911. The police only knew that a kid was screaming in a house nearby.

They rang our bell and politely asked me if everyone was ok. I said yes, what’s going on? They then asked to SEE everyone in the house in order to ask THEM if they were ok.

My wife and kids woke up and came to the door.

That was a strange thing to happen at 11:45 pm. I didn’t hear of anything happening, but assume it was no big deal.


27 posted on 07/14/2012 9:29:43 AM PDT by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: bgill
I read another article that said he and dispatchers tried to reach her - I assume by phone - and she did not answer. At 92, you wonder how good here hearing is...

Doesn't sound like the cops did anything wrong - just a mistake that could have ended much worse.

28 posted on 07/14/2012 3:04:22 PM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead

Many people who don’t answer their phones unless they know who it is. If she didn’t have an answering machine or they didn’t leave a message, then who knows. Couple that with not answering the door and not wanting to be disturbed. As someone else said, lights and sirens might have brought her out but then you run the risk of neighbors getting upset over being disturbed or her thinking there’s bad guys loose and shooting at whomever is breaking in. Lots of angles to look at and no real solution.


29 posted on 07/15/2012 5:31:57 AM PDT by bgill
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