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Plastic regulations: Statewide regulations needed as Santa Cruz ban adds to confusion
Santa Cruz Sentinel ^ | July 12, 2012 | Editorial

Posted on 07/14/2012 6:06:14 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

The city of Santa Cruz, usually at the forefront of environmental causes, became the latest, but probably not the last, local government to ban single-use plastic bags, with the 6-0 vote by the City Council Tuesday night. Santa Cruz banned foam products as well.

Santa Cruz's new law on foam products, for instance, will outlaw foam coolers, toys, shipping containers and packing peanuts. The city of Capitola also bans foam ice chests and coolers, and the county bans foam food containers.

The 48 and counting plastic bag and foam bans of some type in California offer a patchwork of regulations, with differing standards.

So, yes, by all means remember to take your cloth bags into the grocery store. It doesn't take long to change habits.

But don't worry if you're confused about what's banned and where, because it is confusing.

The environmental hazards of single use plastic bags and foam products are well documented. The state should step in and set the standards for all of California.

(Excerpt) Read more at santacruzsentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: commerceclause; environment; envirowackos; freedom; government; idiocy; lunacy; regulations; stupidity

1 posted on 07/14/2012 6:06:24 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

A few nuclear artifacts and we wouldn’t have to hear about it.


2 posted on 07/14/2012 6:10:58 AM PDT by 4buttons
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Why don’t they just ban EVERYTHING that is synthetic, so let’g go bck to the stone ages.

Seriously, just look around and imagine if all plastics would be banned. Almost everything has plastics in it from clothing, to appliances, to cars — which is where they are trying to go.

Then they will complain that we are depleating natural resources. I think liberals want to get rid of all humans and leave the planet “natural”.


3 posted on 07/14/2012 6:15:41 AM PDT by Innovative (None are so blind that will not see.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

In some areas, they’re starting to charge money for paper bags. The fee is $.10 or $.25—seemingly insignificant—but like bridge tolls, they will be going up, and up, and up!


4 posted on 07/14/2012 6:18:37 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Deo Vindice!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Well, we went to plastic to “save the planet”...here in Maine we have a tree every square foot unless you clear out an area.

I propose something more durable than plastic...like iron...

That’s it!

Iron bags. We could have grandmas in nursing homes knit them out of steel wool.


5 posted on 07/14/2012 6:28:18 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: 4buttons

California must not be having a fiscal crisis. They can afford hiring more folks to police this nonsense. It is great to have an economy supported by burger flippers and plastic bag enforcers. The ultimate in Obamanomics.


6 posted on 07/14/2012 6:28:32 AM PDT by bytesmith
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To: Innovative

Let’s just cut to the end and ban ALL PACKAGING. Bring your own rinsed-out bottles to the store to get more orange juice, milk, V-8 Juice, tomato soup, Hawaiian Punch, Head & Shoulders shampoo, Lysol and Drano. Bring your own old newspaper to wrap the steaks, sliced turkey, fresh fish and charcoal briquets. Don’t be selfish and think of your own safety and convenience...think of how you would be saving the planet.


7 posted on 07/14/2012 6:31:45 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Iron bags. We could have grandmas in nursing homes knit them out of steel wool.


Nice biodegradable idea. These babies will turn into a pile of rust overnight and could be used to replenish the iron in the soil.


8 posted on 07/14/2012 6:32:37 AM PDT by bytesmith
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9 posted on 07/14/2012 6:42:03 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: bytesmith
Nice biodegradable idea

They might as well forget refrigerated meat lockers and grocery stores too. Just turn the streets into 'open air' markets where people put their bloody meat into their own containers.

That's how they do it in more eco-friendly societies.

10 posted on 07/14/2012 6:44:36 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The city of Santa Cruz, usually at the forefront of environmental causes, became the latest, but probably not the last, local government to ban single-use plastic bags, with the 6-0 vote...

Hey, ignorant communist-loving libtards... remind us again WHO insisted we use these plastic bags to save Mother Erf? Idiots.


11 posted on 07/14/2012 7:07:55 AM PDT by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Pasadena, here in southern California, is a plastic-bag (at the grocery stores)-free zone. However, the cities surrounding it are all Free Territories. The powers that be put the ban in; the other towns must vote on it, and that is not in the works. I suspect that I am not the only one who heads to one of the other markets and avoids the Pasadena stores.

Not only that, if I shop IN Pasadena, I bring my own (recycled) plastic bags. In fact, a person could SELL those outside the Pasadena stores and make a few bucks. Or on E-Bay.

Stupid Nanny State regs. Stupid stupid California lawmakers.


12 posted on 07/14/2012 7:08:50 AM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Once they ban plastic bags and paper bags in California they will need something to replace them...

Cotton? Naaa, too much an emblem of slavery and oppression of Blacks.

Hmmmm, what shall Calif folks use?

I know! HEMP! California has plenty of organic hemp growers.

Well, that takes care of the stalks. I wonder if they will every find a use for the hemp leaves?

I’m sure that Californians will find some way to utilize the leaves of the hemp plant...

(Heh, heh, heh. Once they do, we hit them with their old “carbon footprint” bogieman. [”You are smoking the leaves? BURNING THEM? Making CARBON DIOXIDE!?] Then we just sit back and watch heads explode with the conflicting desires)

“Save the Planet?”
“Mellow out?”

(Man, I’m wicked, evil & nasty this morning! Shame on me.)


13 posted on 07/14/2012 7:12:56 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: stars & stripes forever
That's how they do it in more eco-friendly societies.

You mean, those societies where infectious diseases spread like wildfire, and where people live in filth?

14 posted on 07/14/2012 7:13:06 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Innovative

If you go to some of these naturally beautiful places and look at the sorts of people that inhabit them, you can see where that idea might come to mind. When they look at themselves and their fellow useless crazies, wiping themselves off the planet seems rational.


15 posted on 07/14/2012 7:14:50 AM PDT by Anima Mundi (ENVY IS JUST PASSIVE, LAZY GREED)
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To: exDemMom
You mean, those societies where infectious diseases spread like wildfire, and where people live in filth?

Yes, those societies whose eco-friendly policies are also solving the dilemma of the 'overpopulation' of the planet.

16 posted on 07/14/2012 7:21:37 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Just think how in shape the populace will be with iron bags. All that lifting. Jackpot.


17 posted on 07/14/2012 7:32:12 AM PDT by Conservative4Ever (The Obamas = rude, crude and socially unacceptable)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I bet each of those six council members will still be using plastic bags and feel justified in doing so. Laws like this are there to restrain the impetuous and uneducated proles; they are not for the enlightened ruling class.


18 posted on 07/14/2012 7:39:09 AM PDT by itzmygun (Elitism + hatred of mankind = LIBERALISM)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Hey, wait just a minute. We’d have to burn the devil coal to make that iron. Try again!


19 posted on 07/14/2012 7:42:18 AM PDT by itzmygun (Elitism + hatred of mankind = LIBERALISM)
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To: martin_fierro

To your ping list—

I find these ordinances offensive beyond belief. People have to realize they have nothing to do with the environment.

1. The bag ban shuts down manufacturing of paper bags in the US and kills jobs here.

2. The bag ban encourages a money shift to china and other overseas manufacturing bases because the bags are manufactured overseas

3. The most offensive is that the bans allow the government to create a taxing body out of private businesses, where the government decides the tax rate, and NO VOTE BY THE CITIZEN is given to create or approve the taxes. Most counties have ordinances that require votes by citizens to raise taxes, this ordinance is a sleazy end run around that.

4. The store owner now becomes complicit in the corruption, as they keep the money collected, tax free. No, it does not go to pay for the ‘environment’ in any way shape or form.

5. Another extremely troubling and offensive part of the ban in Santa Cruz county is that it makes the public works department in to the law enforcement department for this ordinance. In essence, it creates a political police with the authority to fine or otherwise penalize you because of a political agenda— such a soviet concept! This keeps the public works department from its chartered responsibilities, so the council members can use the annual road budget to pad their pensions and create useless money stealing committees and programs to pay off their political supporters.

6. The law flouts equal justice as well, granting exemptions to protected political classes, leaving the average citizen holding the bag so to speak to pay for it all.

Once the owners start collecting the free money and they are assured that the rates will increase annually, they complete the corrupt agenda of this plan, as they will now support the sleazy council members who are providing them this free money. Now the government is legislating graft as a city or county ordinance.

Kills jobs, sends money to China, corrupts constitutional government, deprives citizens the right to representation on tax matters, favors and creates political cronies, the list goes on and on.

No wonder the local governments are passing these ordinances like wildfire. More money and power to them, secures a political base and the hapless citizen has to pay for it all.


20 posted on 07/14/2012 8:03:41 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: bboop

I just grab extra plastic bags at Walmart and Target in my town. When I shop at retarded cities who have outlawed plastic I simply pull out the ones I stash in my car and fill up.

I also use bags from produce and meat if I don’t have any available.


21 posted on 07/14/2012 8:05:16 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

Yeah, everyone has a way to deal with totalitarianism, except to put an end to it. What a country, America has become!


22 posted on 07/14/2012 8:09:50 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: itzmygun

OK. Terracotta.

We could have clay bags...AKA pottery. The women could carry them on their heads.


23 posted on 07/14/2012 8:17:13 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Marijuana is an invasive non-native species... must have an environmental impact report before growing it...


24 posted on 07/14/2012 8:51:25 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Marijuana is an invasive non-native species!

Should there be an extensive environmental impact report for the growing of marijuana?


25 posted on 07/14/2012 8:54:43 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

But I’m sure that all of the growers have complied with all Federal, State, EPA, OSHA, USDA, FDA, XYZ and LGBTQ regulations... aren’t you?

/sarc


26 posted on 07/14/2012 9:38:53 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: BwanaNdege

Using the left wing’s own environmental nonsense against them would bring the whole thing crashing down...


27 posted on 07/14/2012 10:09:46 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Calling them “single use” is erroneous and propaganda. I use them until they rip at the bottom. My espouse hates it when I get on the plane with just a plastic bag full of stuff. I tell her, I’ll bring back a new one.

Can’t remember where I read that the canvass bags build up bacteria in the bottom, so they have to be washed regularly in hot water. Somebody run the green numbers on that.


28 posted on 07/14/2012 1:44:55 PM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: morphing libertarian
Can’t remember where I read that the canvass bags build up bacteria in the bottom, so they have to be washed regularly in hot water. Somebody run the green numbers on that.

The canvas bags can hold microorganisms all over.

I recently read a report of a food poisoning incident that occurred when someone left one of those canvas bags full of snacks in a bathroom. A little girl was sick with vomiting and diarrhea, and aerosolized norovirus got all over the bag. Later, when other children ate snacks from the bag, they got sick. I don't know how close to the toilet the bag was, but if it had been a plastic bag tied shut, the viruses would have remained on the outside and the other children might not have become ill.

29 posted on 07/14/2012 5:51:26 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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