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Paterno Won Sweeter Deal Even as Scandal Played Out
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/joe-paterno-got-richer-contract-amid-jerry-sandusky-inquiry.html?_r=1&hp ^ | 07-14-12 | JO BECKER

Posted on 07/14/2012 7:22:40 AM PDT by slumber1

In January 2011, Joe Paterno learned prosecutors were investigating his longtime assistant coach Jerry Sandusky for sexually assaulting young boys. Soon, Mr. Paterno had testified before a grand jury, and the rough outlines of what would become a giant scandal had been published in a local newspaper.

That same month, Mr. Paterno, the football coach at Penn State, began negotiating with his superiors to amend his contract, with the timing something of a surprise because the contract was not set to expire until the end of 2012, according to university documents and people with knowledge of the discussions. By August, Mr. Paterno and the university’s president, both of whom were by then embroiled in the Sandusky investigation, had reached an agreement.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coverup; football; joepa; joepaterno; molestation; paterno; pedostate; pennstate; sandusky; sourcetitlenoturl
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1 posted on 07/14/2012 7:22:50 AM PDT by slumber1
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To: slumber1

Paterno’s golden parachute. Disgraceful.


2 posted on 07/14/2012 7:27:23 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: slumber1
With Sandusky convicted and in jail, now we find out that the whole football program was complicit.
I have heard others say that the entire sports program at Penn state should be shut down. I disagree. That is punishing players and coaches that were as far removed from the child molestations as I am. However, the football program should be shut down for at least a generation and probably longer. Shut down until the stench of the Sandusky era can be removed. 25 years or 50 years or even longer. Then the entire records of the’Sandusky era’ should be changed to reflect forfeits of all games and the reason why. If and when Penn State is allowed to start up a football program, there should not be a living soul that remembers who or what Joe Paterno was.
3 posted on 07/14/2012 7:37:14 AM PDT by Tupelo (TeaPartier ..... but no longer a Republican)
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To: Tupelo

Within the next couple of seasons one of two things will happen...

The program will be shut down, or Penn State will get possibly a greater punishment, a program that is regularly and soundly beaten into obscurity as athletes and their parents choose to stay away.

This is what should happen when you hire a man who studied ‘wife-swapping’ among other subjects to be your President.


4 posted on 07/14/2012 7:45:13 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: rwilson99
WOW if they shut the football program down what are they going to do?

Learn something to help you get through life and a good job?

That is so pathetic!

5 posted on 07/14/2012 7:53:54 AM PDT by Johnny_cash
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To: slumber1

Paterno was renegotiating his contract? That’s what successful football coaches do—or even less successful coaches.

The Times, like the rest of the corrupt media, is eager to smear Joe Paterno at every opportunity. Yet there were others, usually relegated to the back pages, who were far more guilty, especially the college president and the head of the athletic department. But they don’t offer the same opportunity to smear a former hero.

One of the chief reasons the new President was hired was that he promised to increase LGBT programs and the preaching of gay rights at Penn State. What a coincidence.

There was already corruption there, and Paterno was not the primary cause of it. He did report Sandusky to his bosses, who were primarily responsible for the coverup. Maybe he should then have done more. But there is no excuse for this constant pretence among the Catholic-hating, gay-loving leftist presstitutes that Paterno was the head villain.


6 posted on 07/14/2012 7:57:07 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
Paterno was renegotiating his contract? That’s what successful football coaches do—or even less successful coaches.

Pull your head out dude. Paterno knew of the investigation and knew there was a chance he would be fired for cause. He wanted to get all he could before the bottom fell out. And for all practical purposes Paterno had no bosses.

Everything You Need To Know About Louis Freeh’s Damning Report On Penn State
7 posted on 07/14/2012 8:03:21 AM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Timber Rattler

Joe Paterno, and his worthless family, are all pond scum. I’d put him right up there alongside Obama. They are both POS, the only difference is the color! Knowing that he was dying, Ole Joe “did the right thing!” He tried to wring every last cent he could out of the university and the taxpayers. Just hope he’s on fire somewhere right now!


8 posted on 07/14/2012 8:09:19 AM PDT by vette6387
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it’s amazing what people will do for a couple extra bucks


9 posted on 07/14/2012 8:13:39 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: slumber1

“Pull your head out dude.”

It’s interesting that even here on FR there are “sports enthusiasts” like Cicero who will go to great lengths to protect the guilty when the guilty are “sports figures.” I had an employee, a professional engineer, who actually opined that OJ just could not have killed his wife and the other guy because “he was a sports figure.” They are as nutty when it comes to sports as are some people about religions. I mean just look at Scientology and Islam for openers.


10 posted on 07/14/2012 8:16:13 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Cicero

Have you read the Freeh report?

I am not a JoePa hater.
We have his books in our house.
My hubby attended his coaching clinics.

But the Freeh report confirms what most people understand in Happy Valley - that the administrators served at JoePa’s pleasure - not the other way around.

I have held out hope this past year that there would be some explanation...naivete, senility, incomplete information.

The Freeh Report has put an end to all of that.


11 posted on 07/14/2012 8:38:26 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Tupelo

I want them to at least be kicked out of the Big Ten. However, that will never happen, they are one of the richer schools in that league.


12 posted on 07/14/2012 8:56:24 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: slumber1

I doubt it would have been any different at any other major FB power school in the USA or any other organization

Covering up to avoid scandal is NOT unique any place in society from Washington to the schools to the churches to the board rooms


13 posted on 07/14/2012 8:57:49 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: slumber1
While I doubt we'll ever know, I'm curious about the facts and circumstances of Ray Gricar's disappearance. I suspect they are one of two things..

1. Entirely unrelated to this whole sordid mess

or

2. The rosetta stone that would expose a whole lot of ugliness in the Second Mile and the PSU administration that few of us can even begin to imagine.

14 posted on 07/14/2012 9:05:37 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: vette6387

My son, age 25, is still upset about what “happened to Paterno”.


15 posted on 07/14/2012 9:17:11 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: vette6387
They are as nutty when it comes to sports as are some people about religions. I mean just look at Scientology and Islam for openers.

I concur.

16 posted on 07/14/2012 9:22:41 AM PDT by DSH
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To: uncbob

Paterno and company behaved shamefully and likely criminally. There is little doubt of that. What I don’t understand is the calls to end football at Penn State and the sentiment that Penn State be “nuked”, “burned to the ground” and all of that. Using that logic every Pope, Priest, Nun, and Catholic Church should suffer the same fate. THOUSANDS of children have been raped and victimized by leaders of the Catholic Church. It has been proven, over and over again, that the Church hierarchy, at the very highest levels, knew about the rape and abuse and DID NOTHING to stop it. In fact, worse than Penn State, the Catholic Church, for DECADES, did everything they could to cover this up. Try to comprehend the Church coddled and enabled HUNDREDS of “Sandusky’s” moving the pedophile Priests to fresh hunting grounds whenever their abuse became an issue in a particular Parrish. What is the greater scandal?


17 posted on 07/14/2012 9:26:38 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: LeonardFMason

Part of the difference is that Penn State is run by the STATE of Pennsylvania. In other words, payment to this organization is not voluntary for the people of PA, or, to the extent that Penn State gets federal funds, for any Americans.

Anyone can stop, or never start, funding the Catholic Church. In a just world, people would also not be forced to fund Penn State. In other words, the University should have it’s government funding eliminated over these events. That would likely lead to Penn’s shutdown, or at least to a major shrinkage.

In this world, on the other hand, the fact that Penn State and it’s football program are government programs means that they are eternal. People, mainly in PA, but also from elsewhere, will have to pay their own money every year to keep a pedophilia-sponsoring organization running. That’s one of the many offensive things about this whole story. Calls to shut down Penn State are, in my opinion, at least partly a reasonable, if ultimately futile, protest against being forced to fund this organization.


18 posted on 07/14/2012 9:37:20 AM PDT by Jubal Harshaw
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To: Mountain Mary

People are still angry about Bobby Knight having been fired.


19 posted on 07/14/2012 9:44:39 AM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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20 posted on 07/14/2012 9:46:29 AM PDT by randita
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To: Joe 6-pack
While I doubt we'll ever know, I'm curious about the facts and circumstances of Ray Gricar's disappearance

I suspect it had nothing to do with the scandal except perhaps a burden on Gricar's conscience. But I also suspect the enormity of taking on PSU and Paterno played a role in his unwillingness to indict Sandusky in 98 when they had what amounted to a confession from him
21 posted on 07/14/2012 9:50:13 AM PDT by slumber1 (Don't taze me bro!)
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To: Cicero

Per the results of the Freeh report, Paterno should burn in hell.

22 posted on 07/14/2012 10:08:32 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Cicero
He did report Sandusky to his bosses, who were primarily responsible for the coverup.

Bosses? Plural?

Then (as we all know) Paterno perjured himself before the Grand Jury, where he testified under oath that the only person he told about Sandusky was Athletic Director Tim Curley and again when he testified that he (Paterno) did know if any other official at Penn State found out about Sandusky.

Right? He perjured himself?

And as for the others being primarily responsible for the cover-up, have you read the Freeh report? You've been defending Paterno since before any facts were known; you continue to defend him no matter what facts are revealed.

23 posted on 07/14/2012 10:13:08 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: slumber1

Shame! This could have all been avoided. Why did Paterno not suspend Sandusky immediately, then proceed to fire him, we may never know?


24 posted on 07/14/2012 10:49:54 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Cicero
He did report Sandusky to his bosses, who were primarily responsible for the coverup. Maybe he should then have done more.

Yes, Paterno should have done more, and he failed as a leader there. Paterno bears a great deal of responsibility for all the abuse that occurred after being told. He could have easily suspended Sandusky, then order an investigation, which would lead him to fire Sandusky. Then afterwards letting the police deal with Sandusky. What was O' Joe thinking?

Sandusky deserves to go to jail over this and to spend the rest of his life there.

25 posted on 07/14/2012 11:04:29 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: Scotswife

I gave Joe the benefit of the doubt, the Freeh Report eliminated all doubt....Joe is scum....and the football program needs to be shut down, and all wins by Penn State after 1998, when Joe knew about Sandusky should be forfeited.


26 posted on 07/14/2012 11:07:01 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: rawhide

“Why did Paterno not suspend Sandusky immediately, then proceed to fire him, we may never know?”

Becasue that would have probably destroyed the whole “honor with integrity” meme that JoePa was BSing about. I have seen reports that JoePa knew as early as the mid-70’s. Only in 1998 was it officially brought up. The brand was built on a lie.


27 posted on 07/14/2012 11:08:59 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: slumber1

Joe Paterno was a football coach, not a school administrator. He was told a tale (second hand) of a happening in a shower where the teller did nothing but tell Paterno. Paterno, in turn, passed it on to his superiors. That was his total involvement. Mike McQueery should have told the police or his father should have. Paterno did everything that should be expected of him with such hearsay.
Since McQueery did nothing with it, Paterno is the bad guy?
That doesn’t make any sense.

Seems to me that getting to Paterno’s legecy is what’s important to a bunch of ‘Yankee Haters’. The “Get the big guy!” syndrome, absolutely. Why is Jerry Sandusky’s behavior Joe Paterno’s fault? The truth is Sandusky’s behavior is Sandusky’s fault. The people who hid from it are the school administrators, not Paterno. Fact is Paterno did what he should with that McQueery hearsay.


28 posted on 07/14/2012 11:29:19 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Jubal Harshaw

Good thought. PA is in a hole financially. Cutting off State Aid would be awesome. Let the proud Alumni fund the institution. I love the idea.


29 posted on 07/14/2012 11:45:02 AM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: Cicero

Ding! That is the real story... Intergenerational intimacy is all a part of the sterile selfish sexuality that Graham Spanier celebrates.


30 posted on 07/14/2012 11:52:45 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: castlegreyskull

Right after they kick out Indiana... Where pedophila and all of its cousins have been studied and celebrated for 50 years at the Kinsey Institute.


31 posted on 07/14/2012 11:55:24 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: slumber1
In my opinion, Paterno was a literal pedophile, he participated in the anal rapes of the boys, and he held what he knew over the heads of the university and the BOT's to hold on to his job.

Spanier is a Human Sexuality scholar who ascribes to Alfred Kinsey's view that men having sex with young boys was good for the boys.

www.salvomag.com/new/articles/salvo20/kinseys-love-affair-with-pedophilia.php

32 posted on 07/14/2012 11:56:59 AM PDT by Crawdad
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To: Cicero
Stop hiding behind 'anti-Catholic' nonsense.

Paterno was a disgrace, he knew about what was happening, was complicit in the coverup.

Now you guys embarrass yourselves by coming on here and trying to defend him, showing more and more that Penn St. football is more akin to a cult.

33 posted on 07/14/2012 12:27:19 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
Paterno did everything that should be expected of him with such hearsay.

No, he didnt' everything expected of him and he knew about Sandusky earlier.

So now it is 'yankee haters' that are responsible?

McQueery is despised for his cowardice, but Paterno had a far great responsiblity.

It wasn't 'hearsay' McQueery WITNESSED it, look up the word 'hearsay', you clearly don't have a clue about what you are talking about or care, just putting out smoke.

34 posted on 07/14/2012 12:33:10 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
Paterno did everything that should be expected of him with such hearsay.

No, he didnt' everything expected of him and he knew about Sandusky earlier.

So now it is 'yankee haters' that are responsible?

McQueery is despised for his cowardice, but Paterno had a far greater responsiblity.

It wasn't 'hearsay' McQueery WITNESSED it, look up the word 'hearsay', you clearly don't have a clue about what you are talking about or care, just putting out smoke.

35 posted on 07/14/2012 12:33:29 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Cicero
You are delusional, caught in a classic case of worshiping a false idol and refusing to see reality.

Paterno was a wretched two-faced monster more concerned with his own image than with right and wrong.

He had no character. He was no hero. Get over it.

36 posted on 07/14/2012 12:35:04 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: Tupelo
Penn state should be shut down. I disagree. That is punishing players and coaches that were as far removed from the child molestations as I am.

Nah, it ain't punishing them in a way that matters more negatively than positively at all.

Not today.

Not tomorrow.

They won't spend time playing A GAME. They might be exposed to the idea that some things are far more important than a game. For some of them, this could be the very first time in their lives that concept is forcibly presented. It's a damned good thing to learn, and in fact - it is a better lesson than anything that can be learned playing a team sport.

Better than learning teamwork.
More important than learning physical self discipline.
More important than learning to keep going when you are losing.

Its a lesson that could save their marriage, or their relationship with their children.
Certainly a lesson that can keep them from traveling the same road the university leadership took.

This is a golden opportunity to learn that the right thing is still the right thing even when it is hard.

There are people who don't want to learn that.These students are not victims. The victims were a bunch of kids that were raped and then institutionally supressed.

Seeing the right thing done, and the tangible rewards that doing the wrong thing had reaped for the university stripped away is a good thing - for the entire student body and faculty. Athletes included.

37 posted on 07/14/2012 12:52:18 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: LeonardFMason
What I don’t understand is the calls to end football at Penn State and the sentiment that Penn State be “nuked”, “burned to the ground” and all of that.

Because college head football coaches enjoy god like status in their communities and all of them should be put on notice that if you look the other way or just pay lip service to a severe problem in your program you and your program will be taken down.

Second the insiders at Penn State knew what was going on and they had the benefit to see what happens when it is handled badly (aka the catholic church) and they chose to cover it up anyway.

If Penn state does not deserved to be Nuked for this scandal then what exactly would a football program have to do to deserve to be nuked?

Penn state football needs to go away for a while and if I were a student there I would be looking for a new school whether I was a football player or not.

38 posted on 07/14/2012 1:16:03 PM PDT by stig
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To: stig

Universities should impose mandatory retirement on coaches at 65. He was 85 and dying of cancer when this last season started. He operated like a 3rd world dictator in State College. Not that it matters at all but, he was a terrible head coach, who surrounded himself with equally poor assistant coaches(Jay Paterno being the worst) who served him without question. To those who would like to see the football program shut down, it is pretty clear with every Blue Chip recruit looking at Penn State like Chernobyl University that the program will be a Big 10 doormat for years. To the football cultists that will be death by a thousand cuts.


39 posted on 07/14/2012 2:06:16 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: fortheDeclaration
It is hearsay! He testified at the grand jury that he only heard, not seen what was happening in the shower.

Keep in mind that Paterno was only a football coach who relayed the information given to him by McQueery to his superiors. That fulfilled his responsibility as a coach. He was not an administrator. What he was told was questionable in that Mr. McQueery did not stop it, or could not tell him who else was involved, not even today can McQueery tell him who the boy was. What else was he supposed to do? If he had gone to the police, they would have asked him who the boy was. They would have asked him where he got the information. What do you suppose Sandusky would have said? What would he have looked like? Given all that, wasn't it McQueery's responsibility? Tell me, why was it Joe Paterno's? "Let's take down the big guy' mentality!

40 posted on 07/14/2012 2:21:00 PM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: maxwellsmart_agent

Joe Paterno SHOULD have done more. He didn’t. He isn’t the monster in this story. He is THE person who could have stopped the monster. He didn’t. EVERYONE and ANYONE who knew about the fiend Sandusky and did nothing to stop him is responsible.

The take away quote from the trial from the lead prosecutor was the question: “How many naked boys does a man have to shower with before someone starts asking a few questions?”. The jury surely decided his guilt at that very moment.


41 posted on 07/14/2012 4:15:43 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: rwilson99

U of Indiana studies pedophilia?

My problem with Penn State is that they knew and covered for a monster for about a decade to protect a coach’s legacy and their own prestige. Such institutes should not be accepted, and rejected when found out. Therefore it punishes those who want to continue with associating with criminal organizations (yes Penn State acted criminally). Sadly its students will pay the price for their criminal decisions to protect the legacy of their football program. This is nothing new, innocent people always suffer the consequences of the boneheaded decision of the leadership of the organizations they are involved with.
Also it sends a warning to any organization or school to think twice about protecting legacies. Ultimately, this would protect defenseless children.


42 posted on 07/14/2012 4:21:43 PM PDT by castlegreyskull
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
It wasn't 'hearsay', McQueery witnessed the fact that Sandusky was in the shower with a young boy, and heard the attack going on.

'Hearsay' is getting something second hand.

Paterno was hearing this from someone who had first hand knowledge. So, Paterno hears that a grown man is in the shower with a young boy and does what? NOTHING!

Oh, he reported it to the higher ups and then forgot about the entire matter.

Now letters and Emails have come out proving that Paterno knew about what Sandusky was doing earlier and covered it up.

You Paterno defenders are worse then the Clinton defenders ever were!

Paterno was a liar and a fraud and morally complicit in the crimes against those young boys.

43 posted on 07/14/2012 4:58:23 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: LeonardFMason
He and all those who covered up for Sandusky are morally complicit in the crimes against those young boys.

They are ALL monsters.

44 posted on 07/14/2012 5:00:31 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: Mountain Mary
My son, age 25, is still upset about what “happened to Paterno”.

Get a broomstick handle, hold it towards him, and tell him to pull down his pants and bend over.

When he looks at you in disbelief, repeat your command, angrily, and walk towards him.

When he starts to freak out, stop, and ask him "What do you think this is about, a joke? How would you like to be one of those kids, and Joe Paterno knew?"

Then smack him on the head with the broomstick handle.

45 posted on 07/14/2012 5:21:01 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

He was upset about the “Paterno legacy” at first before the truth came out. he’s a good kid.


46 posted on 07/14/2012 6:29:36 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: Talisker

He was upset about the “Paterno legacy” at first before the truth came out. he’s a good kid.


47 posted on 07/14/2012 6:29:52 PM PDT by Mountain Mary (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: castlegreyskull

All of the ‘born this way’ ideology came from Alfred Kinsey, who’s research largely relied on journals from admitted, yet anonymous, pedophiles.

His institute and papers all remain at IU.


48 posted on 07/14/2012 6:45:39 PM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

If that is the standard, how does an institution like the Catholic Church continue? How many monsters occupy the Church by your standard of moral complicity? Who at Penn State besides Sandusky was raping children? I think it diminishes the truly evil by lumping everyone together. Is the janitor at Penn State who witnessed one of the incidents, but was afraid that he might be fired if he , a monster? He lived in fear of what would happen to him if he dared pursue the matter with the authorities. Nonetheless, his inaction likely allowed more children to be victimized. Is he the same as Sandusky? I believe he is responsible to a degree. Is he the monster Sandusky is? I don’t think so. Is every person in authority in the Church a monster? They all knew something. How many monsters are walking the street?


49 posted on 07/14/2012 7:15:00 PM PDT by LeonardFMason
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To: LeonardFMason
How many monsters are walking the street?

11.

50 posted on 07/14/2012 7:17:56 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong!)
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