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Doctors 'Should Accept Pay Cut Or Be Sacked' [UK]
Sky News ^ | 15 July 2012

Posted on 07/15/2012 9:32:50 AM PDT by Lorianne

Thousands of doctors and nurses may be sacked unless they agree to drastic changes to their pay and conditions as hospitals strive to make billions of pounds worth of savings, it has been claimed.

NHS bosses have suggested terminating all staff contracts and reoffering them on different terms, according to a leaked document obtained by The Sunday Times.

New terms could include pay cuts of up to 5%, an end to overtime for nights, weekends and bank holidays, and reduced holiday leave, the newspaper said.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: healthcare; nhs; obamacare; obamacaredoctors; obamacarefuture; uk; unitedkingdom

1 posted on 07/15/2012 9:32:53 AM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne

Good luck with that.


2 posted on 07/15/2012 9:35:42 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Lorianne

bump


3 posted on 07/15/2012 9:36:34 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Lorianne

bump


4 posted on 07/15/2012 9:36:50 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Lorianne
NHS bosses have suggested terminating all staff contracts and reoffering them on different terms, according to a leaked document obtained by The Sunday Times.

The NHS boss's are up front and center to the the hit first I presume?

5 posted on 07/15/2012 9:41:50 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Lorianne

They may take a pay cut but will make it up in fraud.

What dumb asses.


6 posted on 07/15/2012 9:42:00 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Lorianne

This is what happens when govt. runs the healthcare system. One of the “unexpected results” of Obamacare (if it isn’t overturned) is that many physicians are going to exit private practice and find something more lucrative. Doctor shortage and longer waiting times...they’re coming.


7 posted on 07/15/2012 9:43:56 AM PDT by Signalman
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To: Lorianne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx8UaTE3CZs

United Socialist Slavery Redux?


8 posted on 07/15/2012 9:44:07 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Love me, love my guns!©)
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To: Lorianne
NHS bosses have suggested terminating all staff contracts and reoffering them on different terms

How about cutting the salaries of the NHS bosses? Nooooo.....we cant have that.

9 posted on 07/15/2012 9:49:07 AM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Lorianne
Just before a NHS “Boss” is put under prior to major surgery the doctor should whisper in his ear:

“You get what you pay for mate!”

10 posted on 07/15/2012 9:56:46 AM PDT by Happy Rain ("Obamacare like all Marxist fails, outlaws redress before increasing it's demand.")
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To: Lorianne

The comments are a hoot. Guess utopia has it faults!!


11 posted on 07/15/2012 9:58:17 AM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic ( (#withNewt))
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To: Lorianne

The same will happen here. I will not spend the last years of my career working for the government. And by the way I get no weekend or holiday differential. I get no paid vacation or holidays as it is. But they will cut reimbursement further and dictate the kind of care I will be able to take of my patients. That’s why I will be out. Good luck finding a doc after Jan 2014 if this monster is not repealed


12 posted on 07/15/2012 10:21:29 AM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Mom MD

Funny, how the Europeans always look down their noses at us over slavery; of course, their “serfs” were, for all intents and purposes, slaves; looks like their doctors and nurses will be the new slaves.


13 posted on 07/15/2012 10:38:33 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Lorianne

I am so happy I only have about 10 years I have to continue my practice. I would be very upset if I was just starting out. I see the future and it is going to be ugly. Those with money to pay will get the best care those on .gov dime will be put in line. Everyone will slowly except this cause it is going to happen over time. I already feel the pinch. I already know private practice is dying on the vine. Younger physicians will become essentially totally dependent on .gov and they will follow the rules or perish. What I am concerned about is finding a great physician to take care of me in my old age. I think it will be very hard. I recommend that the elderly that are lucky enough to have children that care use those children to demand their parents be taken care of. Me I have no children or husband and it is terrifying to think about.


14 posted on 07/15/2012 11:04:51 AM PDT by therut
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To: Lorianne

I am so happy I only have about 10 years I have to continue my practice. I would be very upset if I was just starting out. I see the future and it is going to be ugly. Those with money to pay will get the best care those on .gov dime will be put in line. Everyone will slowly except this cause it is going to happen over time. I already feel the pinch. I already know private practice is dying on the vine. Younger physicians will become essentially totally dependent on .gov and they will follow the rules or perish. What I am concerned about is finding a great physician to take care of me in my old age. I think it will be very hard. I recommend that the elderly that are lucky enough to have children that care use those children to demand their parents be taken care of. Me I have no children or husband and it is terrifying to think about.


15 posted on 07/15/2012 11:05:06 AM PDT by therut
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To: Lorianne

The Brits still think Monarchy is cute.. when it was Mob Rule by a Mob.. much as Democracy is Mob Rule by mobsters.. After saving their asses twice from the Germans they still were defeated ideologically by the Russians..

They totally went for the socialism the Russians were advancing during the “Cold War”... as did the other silly Europeans.. The Brits seem to always make the wrong political choices.. Its disgusting the attention they give to Monarchy.. American democrats are pretty much in the same boat.. and would be quite happy living among the Brits..


16 posted on 07/15/2012 11:07:46 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Lorianne

The Brits still think Monarchy is cute.. when it was Mob Rule by a Mob.. much as Democracy is Mob Rule by mobsters.. After saving their asses twice from the Germans they still were defeated ideologically by the Russians..

They totally went for the socialism the Russians were advancing during the “Cold War”... as did the other silly Europeans.. The Brits seem to always make the wrong political choices.. Its disgusting the attention they give to Monarchy.. American democrats are pretty much in the same boat.. and would be quite happy living among the Brits..


17 posted on 07/15/2012 11:08:29 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

The monarchy has no power but brings in millions of tourism related dollars every year. It’s a business venture and has no bearing on their politics ... or this article.


18 posted on 07/15/2012 11:28:03 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne
Can't quite face up to the fact that Socialized Medicine, in a nation full of a growing majority of parasites both foreign and domestic, is doomed to fail?

EPIC FAIL!

You got a leaky faucet? Burn the freaking house down!

19 posted on 07/15/2012 11:38:57 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Signalman

Most doctors will be forced to become bureaucrats. They’ll be working for Big Brother in Obamacare. The lines of patients will be longer than those at your local DMV.

If you think your doc is uncaring and insensitive now, just wait until you get a bureaucrat with stethoscope.


20 posted on 07/15/2012 11:39:26 AM PDT by heye2monn
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To: BlessedBeGod
Good luck with that.

They just can't face the fact that Socialized Medicine, in a culture with an increasing percentage of its people consisting of parasites, both foreign and domestic is doomed to fail?

EPIC FAIL!

Your house has a leaky faucet? can't be fixed? It's a gusher now?

burn the freaking house down!

That's the ticket.
Solves the problem every time!

21 posted on 07/15/2012 11:54:17 AM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Lorianne
I get it. Society should treat doctors no differently than auto mechanics.

-PJ

22 posted on 07/15/2012 11:57:49 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: Lorianne

Sacked British doctors can probably get a job in the US.


23 posted on 07/15/2012 12:07:41 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Lorianne
In the spirit of it's better to light a candle than to curse the darkness, I have just made a modest contribution to the Freepathon.
What was that statistic from years past?

If just a quarter of regular daily visitors donated $1 a month, we would have no Freepathons and equipment could get regular preventive maintenance? Maybe even have standby servers?

Correct me if I'm wrong.

24 posted on 07/15/2012 12:12:35 PM PDT by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: therut
i'm reading about Boutique Practices more and more... the basic premise is X# of patients paying say $500 to $1000 cash a year for unlimited visits night or day, no ins companies to deal with and higher quality of care for the patients
25 posted on 07/15/2012 12:18:00 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lorianne

Doctors should take a couple of months off and tell all the gov types to go F#*k themselves !

Lets see how long politicians stay in power when the working class decides not to work any longer and sits on their hands for 6 month while those who sponge off the backs of those industrious enough to make a paycheck wonder where their next handout is coming from.


26 posted on 07/15/2012 12:18:07 PM PDT by Newbomb Turk (The sheepdogs guard the sheep.)
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To: Lorianne
The simple fact is, socialized medicine requires a slave class of health care workers.

It can't function long-term any other way.

27 posted on 07/15/2012 12:27:06 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Lorianne

The last swirl around the bottom of the loo.


28 posted on 07/15/2012 12:34:31 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Lorianne
"What we're seeing here is signs of an NHS... in distress.

Government run systems, including the health care system, work poorly or not at all. Big systems either work on their own or they malfunction or nonfunction, because anything that can go wrong will go wrong with them. Trying to reform a malfunctioning or nonfunctioning system will not work because the new system will have new problems that are just as bad or worse than the old problems.

29 posted on 07/15/2012 1:30:22 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Lorianne
This is pretty laughable, in a sense.

They would never think of doing any of that to the drones at the DMV Office or the fatasses at the DHS airport entry points... or the layabouts on welfare or food stamps!

30 posted on 07/15/2012 1:31:53 PM PDT by Gritty (Why are the only two options always a behemoth government program or the guy dies?-Ann Coulter)
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To: therut

I’m a 57 year old ER doc, and my plan is to chuck it come 2014 and just do part time urgent care, preferably cash only no insurance, no more nights no more holidays occasional weekend, maybe. Not gonna kill myself working in the ER for a pittance. Not worth it.


31 posted on 07/15/2012 3:15:44 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Kozak

When I have gone to the ER, which is seldom, the bills I get are rather ridiculous. Not intended to criticize but someone or the hospital must be raking off a bunch of money (about $600) for that 2 or 3 minutes I saw the ER doctor. What is the real story here?


32 posted on 07/15/2012 3:59:51 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: RichardW
you are simply paying for all those who don't...
33 posted on 07/15/2012 4:23:32 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

I realize that but don’t the ER doctors get paid regardless through the hospital or the contractors who handle the ER service? $600 for 2 minutes seems a bit excessive to me. That’s $18,000 per hour on a busy night. I think doctors should be well compensated but I don’t think I should be making their yacht payments either.


34 posted on 07/15/2012 4:42:20 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: RichardW
the ER bill for the DR is going to be ROUGHLY(around here anyway) $150-$300, the rest is for the ER overhead, or are you saying the ER DR bill is $600? in that case i have no idea...
35 posted on 07/15/2012 4:49:34 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kozak
Neither is the liability, I would guess.


36 posted on 07/15/2012 5:01:02 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Chode

Well, I exaggerated. It was only $575 and was billed out of the doctor’s office directly. The ER doctors are private contractors at the hospital and the sign on the wall says so. The hospital bill is another $10 or $15,000 in addition to that. In my world we call that highway robbery. And I was sent home, told to take an aspirin and call my family doctor if it recurred.

Most of the cost was paid by my insurance company but that is just an illusion as we all pay for it regardless in the end. I just thought it was a huge rip-off. And it was just this kind of crap that brought on Obamacare.

For the uninsured who wind up going to the ER, they would be sent the bill for monies they could never hope to repay and these horror stories were taylor made for the politicians to exploit. Many of these people were hounded by the bill collectors and inevitably wound up in bankruptcy.

What I have long advocated is that all fees be posted right on the wall for anyone to see when they show up; just like you see when you take your car in for maintenance. Nobody knows what the heck any of these charges are for or how to read these insurance breakdowns and codes. The whole system is just rife with fraud.

The doctors are not blameless. They should have seen the handwriting on the wall a long, long time ago. And they should have been front and center demanding this be cleaned up before we got to this point. People of modest means which includes most of us can’t afford this any more. And with our aging population and fading minds we don’t have a clue what is going on. It is cheaper to buy a gun and blow one’s head off than fight the system. (just hyperbole for those who wonder)


37 posted on 07/15/2012 5:04:46 PM PDT by RichardW
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To: RichardW
in that case, yes i agree with you that that is awfully high
38 posted on 07/15/2012 5:08:35 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lorianne

Obamacare?


39 posted on 07/15/2012 5:09:05 PM PDT by Vietnam Vet From New Mexico (Pray For Our Troops)
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To: Vietnam Vet From New Mexico

I don’t believe that Obamacare is workable. Too much red tape and bureaucracy.

This could have been solved if the costs were transparent to the “consumer” (the patient) so they know up front what something costs. Where else does the vendor get to charge anything that they can dream up? Would any thinking person go into Wal-Mart or any other retailer and not expect to see a price tag on something? Go into the hospital and a person doesn’t know shinola about anything except they are going to be raped financially. Now we all get to pick up the tab. Obamacare solves nothing.

Virtually any one of us can be wiped out of a lifetime of savings by one serious medical condition. It wasn’t always like this. Now it has become a racket at every level. There are a lot of people associated with the medical care in this country who should modeling orange jump suits at Leavenworth.


40 posted on 07/15/2012 9:19:56 PM PDT by RichardW
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