Posted on 07/15/2012 10:24:48 PM PDT by presidio9
Edited on 07/15/2012 10:36:26 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Rabbi David Nesenoff's on-camera interview with Helen Thomas more than two years ago has had ramifications beyond the furor over the longtime White House correspondent's anti-Semitic and anti-Israel comments.
Following the experience, the Conservative rabbi and his family spent six months in Israel and embraced the Chabad Lubavitch movement.
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Ping!
Alrighty then!
Bring in the analysts and let us at long last examine the reasons behind the bizarre voting patterns that causes Jews to support people who hate their guts.
Of course, true to form they will no doubt revert to voting Democrat post 2012.
http://www.torahcafe.com/scholar.php?id=0000000545
http://www.torahcafe.com/jewishvideo/david-nesenoff-award-video_8efea622c.html
I’m guessing it utterly and mercilessly destroyed his libido?
The rabbi must still be suffering from sexual PTSD.
Whew. I was worried she had turned him gay. That might also happen.
He lost his eyesight?
Turned into stone?
Looks like an effete moron who thinks he’s an intellect but couldn’t find his ass with two hands.
Outstanding. All's well that ends well.
An ugly face maybe, but an even uglier soul.
Let's hope that translates into them NOT voting for Obama again. I don't care if they can't bring themselves to vote FOR Romney, just so long as they don't vote for Obama.
He has identified his politics as pro-Israel, and has said he is uncertain whether he will continue to be a liberal and a Democrat.
Really dude?
You have to channel King Solomon to figure that one out?
However, Jewish support of Democrats (both financial and electoral) is a stain on their houses.
The actual reason many Jews won't support Republicans is because in their heart of hearts they associate Republicans with Evangelical Christians.
When is Helen Thomas going to become Helen No Mas?
Vomited on his shoes? Admitted to kidnapping the Lindbergh baby?
Helen Thomas interview changed rabbi’s life
Helen probably licked his ear and now he is only the shell of the wimp he once was.
It is somewhat due to thinking the same of Republicans (the “hating their guts” part). A lot of Jews that I’ve known think a pogrom is just around the corner- and these are people who are in their 40s and 50s and have never experienced life in Russia (or Europe in general). They honestly believe Christians (Republicans) hate them and are planning to send them on train trips any day now.
It is easy. If you don’t know Jesus and understand what is good, you will have trouble recognizing evil. As more and more people drift from Jesus. Evil will walk openly on our Earth.
“...Helen Thomas interview changed rabbi’s life,...”
Yeah...he swore off Moonshine for the rest of his life...”2am Beer Goggle Beauty Queen, my ass!!!”
I....don’t...EVER...want...the image of embracing Helen Thomas floating around in me head... Yes, child, there really IS a place called Hell...
LOL
Meanwhile, real pogroms have happened, and will happen, here in the US. But they will be organized by Democrats like Al Sharpton (of Freddie's Fashion Mart and Crown Heights Riot fame).
I think it's more because (memories are long!) they associate Republicans with the genteel anti-Semitism that kept them out of country clubs, etc. for years and imposed quotas on the numbers of Jews who could be admitted to Ivy League entering classes (I think Jews were limited to about 1-2% of any entering class). Granted, it's a while since Republicans had that kind of power, but it was still Dems who fought those things . . . back before they became anti-Semitic.
OMG...A pig sandwhich.....YARRGH!!!!’’I’m damaged for life...
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And this is the Ultimate Universal Puzzle. All the Evangelicals I know totally support Israel, and the Right of Return.
Jews are not as bright as they believe themselves to be if they buy the Leftist Line, without regard to long standing socialist antisemitism and the Democrat policy of a Palestinian State..
You may think that's a witty joke, but the Chabad Lubavitch movement - a sect of ultra-Orthodox Jews which I'm sure is pretty much politically conservative - wouldn't think so.
You may think that's a witty joke, but the Chabad Lubavitch movement - a sect of ultra-Orthodox Jews which I'm sure is pretty much politically conservative - wouldn't think so.
This is not very historically accurate. Most Jews never had any intention of joining "exclusive" country clubs in the first place, and, until about 1920, most of those American Jews that would prefer that life style were wealthy Republicans themselves, of German Jewish heritage. That would be the Jewish business types described in the book "Our Crowd," by Stephen Birmingham.
And those who imposed severe quotas against Jews in Ivy League university admissions were not all Republicans. One of the chief architects of Harvard's antisemitic admissions policy was none other than a 1904 alumnus named Franklin D. Roosevelt, who in fact boasted about his role to friends.
As a Jewish conservative, I would say that a lot of the Jewish addiction to Democrats is based upon propaganda and historical myths passed down through the generations.
How in the world could a member of "the Rebbe's army" be either one of those things?
That is true.
I’d also say that the overwhelming majority of Jews in America, also now but especially then, were middle class to poor, and the furthest things from their minds were country clubs and ivy league schools. Those who made the break to the suburbs’ greatest worry was and is being identified as primarily Jewish, so they set about redefining Jewish as the Democratic Party with holidays.
“I think it’s more because (memories are long!) they associate Republicans with the genteel anti-Semitism that kept them out of country clubs, etc. for years and imposed quotas on the numbers of Jews who could be admitted to Ivy League entering classes (I think Jews were limited to about 1-2% of any entering class). Granted, it’s a while since Republicans had that kind of power, but it was still Dems who fought those things . . . back before they became anti-Semitic.”
That does not explain the Jewish baby boomers and the 20-something generation. They’ve been thoroughly brainwashed by the 40 plus years of Marxist infiltration of the rabbinical schools and university academic departments.
They’ve hear the indoctrinating phrases “people of color,” “gay community,” “social justice,” as holy catechism. The term “minority” used to include the Jews. It’s absurd, but no more. The Democratic Party are supporting the enemies of the Jewish people and these people willfully ignore the truth.
Well, he changed his mind by the time he was president -- there's a remark he reportedly made to Eleanor about how she should take care of the blacks and he would take care of the Jews (don't recall the exact words, but crude IIRC). Worked for the blacks anyway, who had been a solid Republican voting block from the end of the Civil War. In any case, in the 1960s, it was Democrats who were publicly fighting the anti-Jewish quotas.
Also, Republicans have for a long time not been homogeneous. Small gov't, free enterprise, etc. have not been the hallmarks of Northeast Republicans, who prefer gov't breaks for big business at the expense of everyone else, including small business (which would include lots of Jews, especially the observant, who even today might prefer to work for a small Jewish firm that closes early on Friday, etc.). Again, I believe restrictive covenants against Jews were likely more a Republican thing in the Northeast, and a Democrat thing in the pre-civil rights era South.
I don't think you have to really want to join a country club for it to rankle that you wouldn't be allowed to because of the ethnic or religious or racial group you belong to!
And the Democrats were the champions of immigrants in the first part of the 20th century, whether Jews, Irish, Italians, Eastern Europeans against the Republican "nativists." Memories linger in families, and this accounts too for the lingering loyalty among Catholics to the Democrat Party (Republican anti-Catholicism was overshadowed and explained by the anti-immigrant stance). Into the 1960s, to get to the top in business, one would have been well-advised to convert to Episcopalianism.
Neither party has a real claim on virtue, and positions shift -- I guess depending on where the perceived political advantage lies. And memories do linger. I'm sure there are still little old ladies in Massachusetts who believe Ted Kennedy remained staunchly anti-abortion throughout his life. He was, you know, until the time of Roe v. Wade, as were such luminaries as Al Gore and Tom Daschle. In the early 70s, it was the Republicans who were more likely to be pro-abortion, though as with Gerald Ford, it wasn't the wild-eyed NARAL stance, more the "what's all the fuss about" -- kind of like Romney, despite his claimed "conversion."
You posted “As a Jewish conservative,”.
Well, that makes two of us.
I am told there may be a dozen or two, scattered across the Fruited Plain. Might you have heard from any of the other ten or so?
;-)
“Really dude?
You have to channel King Solomon to figure that one out?”
He lives in Rat’s Mouth, FL. It is “Chock Full O’ Nuts”, literally. That place is full of Jews (Liberal as can be), and blacks on the other side of the tracks (ticking bomb simmering in a toxic stew of Black Liberation Theology, welfare ghetto resentment, and deeply anti-Semitic).
This Rabbi found a niche dealing with “hate crime convicts” (a refined form of ‘government trough feeding’), and “media convicts” (those with public relations debacles resulting from their public blabbering of anti-Semitic ‘intellectual constructs’). I suspect he is tolerated by the Media due to his record of releasing catchy video bombshells. As a result, they dare not ignore him because they don’t know what he may release next. But, that does not mean the Media really like and accept him.
He does have to thread his way through the mine field of Media, synagogue political battles, and the severe cognitive dissonance American Jews who begin to examine the history of American collectivism and the Jewish role there in.
“Evil will walk openly on our Earth.”
Well, it certainly squats in the White Hut as I type.
“Those who made the break to the suburbs’ greatest worry was and is being identified as primarily Jewish . . .”.
In the South, organs were placed in “Reform Synagogues” to more closely resemble the Churches surrounding them.
Oh, and then the “Reform Synagogue” became “Reform Temple”.
For starters, I know of 150+ unabashed Jewish FReepers here by screen name. (LOL!!!)
Here's a good sign: Debbie Wasserman Schultz was heckled - by anti-Obama, anti-'rat Jews - at an Obama event at a Reform synagogue in suburban Philadelphia last night.
I wonder if “Rabbi” Nesenoff has been validly ordained now that he is Orthodox? Because if he hasn’t, he isn’t a “rabbi” at all and should stop using the title (rabbinic ordinations by “Conservative,” “Reform,” etc., are invalid).
Please elaborate on what "anti-Jewish quotas" you are referring to and which Democrats were fighting them.
I will agree that Jews benefited to a limited extent from some of the civil rights legislation of the 1960s (passed by bipartisan votes in Congress), but have been discriminated against by a program more dear to the 'Rats hearts, Affirmative Action.
Well, [Roosevelt] changed his mind by the time he was president --there's a remark he reportedly made to Eleanor about how she should take care of the blacks and he would take care of the Jews (don't recall the exact words, Well, he changed his mind by the time he was president -- there's a remark he reportedly made to Eleanor about how she should take care of the blacks and he would take care of the Jews (don't recall the exact words, but crude IIRC).
He "took care" of some big city Jews - and other big city ethnics - by grossly expanding the size of the federal government and doling out "goodies" through big city machines, machines that were largely run by Irish Catholics at the time. But many of those "goodies" were only temporary government employment opportunities. The whole thing was very successful for him politically (he carried just about every big city in the country in 1936 and repeated in 1940, which was not routine for Democrats before the New Deal), but didn't do much economically to get the country out of the Great Depression. (Obama's political strategists undoubtedly draw some lessons from that history.)
On the other hand, he and his Administration did a poor job in "taking care" of European Jewish victims of Nazism, which is documented in Arthur D. Morse's book "While 6 Million Died." They passed over many opportunities to save lives, including the infamous incident depicted in the film Voyage of the Damned..
And as I pointed out, Roosevelt seemed to have no problem with university admission quotas against Jews.
And the Democrats were the champions of immigrants in the first part of the 20th century, whether Jews, Irish, Italians, Eastern Europeans against the Republican "nativists."
Well, they claimed to be the champions of all these groups but did not always deliver. And that hasn't changed even today. The only change is that the descendants of earlier immigrants often leave the plantation, which makes the Democrat politicians desperate for new immigrants to which to pander. Hence the disastrous 1965 immigration reform bill, from which the nation's culture and unity is very much convulsing.
Chabad has always emphasized a step-by-step approach and has discouraged sudden lurches from one extreme to another. Gentile politics is, of course, not the main emphasis of Yiddishkeit.
Basically the quota system that restricted the proportion of Jews admitted to entering classes in the top-tier colleges and universities. Irving Kristol (I read the book probably in the 60s and no longer have it) writes about the intellectual energy of all those bright Jewish students at City College of New York (before open admissions ruined it); IIRC he was writing about the 30s. (Of course, in tune with the times, they were largely socialist!) At the same time -- the 60s -- I recall an article in National Review pretty lukewarm about the Jewish quotas in the universities but passionately attached to legacy admissions.
For the rest, I am not championing FDR. I am aware of his disgraceful record with the victims of Nazism (not to mention the victims of Stalinism!). I'm talking about perceptions at the time. Much perception was even then shaped by the media and, as I understand it, FDR managed to keep a pretty tight rein on the press (actual censorship) to an extent hard to imagine today, when the media are apparently populated by "true believers" who don't need to be censored. One of Sam Levenson's books mentions his parents' tenement kitchen (again, I believe, in the 30s) which sported two pictures, one of Moses and one of FDR. He says it was years before he found out which came first and which was more important. What FDR actually did was in many ways less important than what he was perceived to do, and many, many people, including blacks, Jews and other immigrants believed that he was on their side.
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