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Wis. police chiefs call for tougher gun checks
gazettextra.com ^ | 16 July, 2012 | AP

Posted on 07/16/2012 6:49:22 AM PDT by marktwain

The Wisconsin Chiefs of Police Association and the National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence plan to meet with Wisconsin U.S. Senate candidates on Monday and Tuesday to discuss potential federal legislation that would require buyers in private gun sales to undergo a background check.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; confiscation; democrats; donttreadonme; donutwatch; govtabuse; guncontrol; gunregistration; registration; shallnotbeinfringed; wi; youwillnotdisarmus
The concept that the government could or should only “allow” certain people to buy guns stands the very concept of American jurisprudence on its head. It presumes that the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. It is wrong and ineffective. It is the opposite of preventing criminals from possessing guns.

It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffectively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns. This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong.

The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.

1 posted on 07/16/2012 6:49:27 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

GUN REGISTRATION IS GUN CONFISCATION (old but good)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608785/posts


2 posted on 07/16/2012 6:51:01 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

These Chiefs are anti-Bill of Rights and should be removed from office.


3 posted on 07/16/2012 6:55:28 AM PDT by SUSSA
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To: SUSSA
This appears to be an end-around attack on gun shows.
4 posted on 07/16/2012 6:58:14 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: marktwain

Hey ALL gub mint,
Stay the F out of MY bid ness.


5 posted on 07/16/2012 6:59:10 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: marktwain

Will the same people calling for stricter controls submit to themselves to that?


6 posted on 07/16/2012 7:03:21 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Vendors at gun shows already do checks. The “federal legislation that would require buyers in private gun sales to undergo a background check” would require ALL transfers, including among family members, to be subject to background check (and thus, effective registration).


7 posted on 07/16/2012 7:06:32 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: marktwain
Of course the criminal selling guns in the parking lot of the 7-Eleven will use his government provided iPhone to run his potential clients through the background check. ;-/

Fundamental principle here. So simple even a liberal should be able to understand it (stick with me here lib-lurkers). Criminals, by definition of being a criminal, break laws. I know that may be a ground-breaking revelation to you, but just stop and consider it for a moment. Not too long though, I don't want you to hurt yourself.

Therefore, the easily reached conclusion based on that simple fact is that passing more laws won't stop criminal activity. In fact, it will increase it. All you'll really do is make some formerly law abiding citizens into criminals because they will choose not to obey foolish laws. You will also prevent some law abiding citizens from exercising their freedoms.

Ah, perhaps that is the true intent here, no? The real intent of such efforts isn't to reduce crime, it is to prevent certain behaviors and remove capabilities that the would-be fascists don't want the masses to have.

8 posted on 07/16/2012 7:10:34 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: marktwain
require buyers in private gun sales to undergo a background check.

I don't see how that would be possible without registration.
9 posted on 07/16/2012 7:14:21 AM PDT by andyk (Go Juan Pablo!)
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To: marktwain

What union concessions is this dip-wad trying to purchase. Police Chiefs are supposed to be enforcing the laws, not making new ones to suit their little power fantasies.
It’s about time the people start making that clear to the politicians who hire them.


10 posted on 07/16/2012 7:22:38 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: PapaBear3625

Vendors who hold a retail firearms license require a background check.


11 posted on 07/16/2012 7:37:37 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: andyk
require buyers in private gun sales to undergo a background check.
I don't see how that would be possible without registration.

It would require all private purchases be done through a firearms dealer. If I wanted to buy my neighbors AR-15, we'd have to go to a dealer to handle the paperwork. And the dealer would charge $15+.

12 posted on 07/16/2012 7:39:34 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: Steamburg

Police chiefs don’t say anything political without first knowing that it will be liked by the boss(the mayor). This crap comes from the mayor, in other words.


13 posted on 07/16/2012 7:39:45 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

It is exactly as I said, we should make the Politicos who hire these puppets that we really don’t like their political games of false authority.


14 posted on 07/16/2012 7:51:00 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: mamelukesabre

It is exactly as I said, we should make the Politicos who hire these puppets aware that we really don’t like their political games of false authority.


15 posted on 07/16/2012 7:51:37 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: marktwain
Peck, Peck, Peck, and eventually we will have no second Amendment. Coming soon from our communists empire.
16 posted on 07/16/2012 7:57:21 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: marktwain
why can we all just get along and have sleep-overs?

Overnight Sleep-Over at the Police Chief’s House Turns Bad (Key West)

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17 posted on 07/16/2012 8:25:18 AM PDT by Elle Bee
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How are these idiots elected/appointed to police chief?

It seems those that advocate this junk should be fired on the spot.


18 posted on 07/16/2012 8:37:10 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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How are these idiots elected/appointed to police chief?

As mamelukesabre pointed out at #13, the police chiefs are the sock puppets of the mayor who appointed them. They say what the mayor tells them to say, so that the mayor does not directly get the heat.

19 posted on 07/16/2012 8:58:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Of course the criminal selling guns in the parking lot of the 7-Eleven will use his government provided iPhone to run his potential clients through the background check. ;-/

I wish I knew how to find that guy..

Reliably informed as I am that I would pass such permit/background checks easily, I decided some time ago I would never buy another gun in a way that required me to ask the Government for permission.

20 posted on 07/16/2012 10:00:37 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Romney Sucks. Mutiny Now,!)
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To: marktwain

Police Chiefs and Sheriffs should be elected.


21 posted on 07/16/2012 10:31:18 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: marktwain

I’d say let’s require Wisconsin Police Chiefs to undergo extensive background checks, lifestyle polygraphs, and register every weapon they own. Their applications should have to be approved by a citizen panel of inquisitors, and blessed by a pychiatrist who has conducted extensive one-on-one sessions with same. MINIMUM.


22 posted on 07/16/2012 10:34:38 AM PDT by Gaffer (NOVEMBER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: marktwain

Let’s just cut to the chase here – the gun grabbers are simply pushing for step two of their plans to impose formal gun registration on the law-abiding.

They’ve already started the process with Demand letter Three as a result of their Gunwalker scam – coming soon to a state near you.

De facto registration will be in-place as soon as they can control when and where you can buy or sell private property in the form of a gun.

And as someone else said: GUN REGISTRATION IS GUN CONFISCATION.

This is the case for several reasons:

Gun Registration means you will be REQUIED to get permission from the government to own a gun.

Gun Registration means that they can rescind that permission at any time (I refer you to what happened in Great Britain)

Gun Registration means that they will require you to pay Taxes on your guns.

In short, Gun Registration means the government has control over your guns and your right of self-defense, they are just graciously “Allowing” you to hold on to them for a little while until the next step in their little scheme.

I’ll give you 3 guesses to what that is..


23 posted on 07/16/2012 11:14:47 AM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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I’m sure those same police chiefs would LOVE to confiscate weapons from law-abiding Wisconsin firearm owners if given the opportunity.


24 posted on 07/16/2012 2:07:33 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: marktwain; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ..

Wisconsin ping: Police Chiefs discuss federal gun rules

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


25 posted on 07/17/2012 4:34:56 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic (ABO)
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