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Outrage as police shoot and kill the wrong man in hunt for attempted murder suspect....
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 07/16/2012 | Laura Cox

Posted on 07/16/2012 12:59:03 PM PDT by Student0165

An innocent man was shot dead by police after deputies mistook him for an attempted murder suspect. Lake County, Florida officers showed up at the Blueberry Hill apartment of Andrew Scott at around 1.30am on Sunday Roused from his bed in the middle of the night by an unknown presence at his property, Andrew Scott answered the door holding a gun. Officers had not announced who they were because they did not want the man they thought was inside, Jonathan Brown, to escape.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cops; donutwatch; dueprocess; innocent; leo; murder; policestate
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1 posted on 07/16/2012 12:59:10 PM PDT by Student0165
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To: Student0165

This is not the first time. They shot a marine dead who answered his door with a gun in hand.

No knock warrants should not be allowed. period. worried he’s gonna jump out the back window? here’s a wild idea.. Put some cops back there to catch him BEFORE you knock.


2 posted on 07/16/2012 1:02:06 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: Student0165

If only he had a dog for them to shoot instead, he’d still be alive today.


3 posted on 07/16/2012 1:03:26 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1272 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: cableguymn

The only problem with your idea is the fat, doughnut eating pigs wouldn’t be able to catch him after he jumped, or shoot him unless he was a helpless canine trapped in the home. Even then it would take about 30 or 40 rounds.


4 posted on 07/16/2012 1:03:54 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Student0165

Gestapo in action


5 posted on 07/16/2012 1:04:13 PM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: cableguymn

They admitted they didn’t identify themselves? Well, that’ll be one monster settlement to the dead guys family. Hopefully a couple of cops will now be exploring other job opportunities. With any luck the words “would you like fries with that?” will be part of their new careers.


6 posted on 07/16/2012 1:04:22 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: Student0165
sheriff's spokesman Lt. John Herrell said their silence was 'tactically advantageous'.
7 posted on 07/16/2012 1:04:51 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Lurker

They better not be looking for new jobs... they better be in jail for murder.


8 posted on 07/16/2012 1:06:25 PM PDT by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Lurker

Spot on.


9 posted on 07/16/2012 1:08:14 PM PDT by paddles ("The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates." Tacitus)
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To: Student0165
On seeing that Scott was armed officers immediately opened fire with a shower of bullets that killed the 26-year-old and left several holes in his front door.

Unbelievable! Cops seem to think that any movement on your part that causes them to question your motives, gives them cause to shoot you, and that includes shoot to kill, as in this case!

This reminds of when the police killed the Hispanic out in Azizona last year, inside his home, after he returned home from work. And his wife and boy were inside the house with him.

10 posted on 07/16/2012 1:08:48 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: BCR #226

Agree! They need to be charged with at least manslaughter.


11 posted on 07/16/2012 1:09:45 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Student0165

Tough to say what the right response should be, but one might be not to answer the door if you don’t know who is on the other side. If they start breaking down the door without identifying themselves (even then you don’t know for sure)it is decision time.


12 posted on 07/16/2012 1:10:46 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: BCR #226

There’s a hell of a 42USC1983 action here, too. Those cops are toast.


13 posted on 07/16/2012 1:12:32 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: BCR #226
They better not be looking for new jobs... they better be in jail for murder.

Hahahahahahahahahah!

When cops fly.

14 posted on 07/16/2012 1:12:54 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Student0165

Cops just seem too trigger-happy these days. The fact is, they killed a guy who was obeying the law. If the cops are unwilling to take SOME risk, they need to get off the force. These bully-boys give pigs everywhere a bad name!


15 posted on 07/16/2012 1:14:06 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: Student0165

We’re from the government and we’re here to help,...bankrupt the taxpayers.


16 posted on 07/16/2012 1:14:30 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Doctor 2Brains

The only problem with your idea is the fat, doughnut eating pigs wouldn’t be able to catch him after he jumped, or shoot him unless he was a helpless canine trapped in the home. Even then it would take about 30 or 40 rounds.


They go full tilt at the box of donuts, eating the whole baker’s dozen. Then they go full tilt at innocent citizens, emptying their magazines. No subtlety, no precision, no accountability.


17 posted on 07/16/2012 1:17:45 PM PDT by KingOfVagabonds
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To: Lurker
With any luck the words “would you like fries with that?” will be part of their new careers.

I'd agree that they should be relocated to a setting where shakes and fries are involved, but McD's isn't quite what I have in mind.

18 posted on 07/16/2012 1:17:58 PM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: Student0165
Does this now turn into a felony murder rap for the original perp?
19 posted on 07/16/2012 1:22:36 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: Student0165
Outrage as police shoot and kill the wrong man

Terrible thing to happen...but look at the bright side...with the right lawyer, somebody's going to get rich!!

20 posted on 07/16/2012 1:23:17 PM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: Student0165

No one will get rich off of this, lawsuits will go nowhere. There will be no loss of $ or career for the individuals involved, and no one will go to jail.

Just another murder by police that will soon be forgotten until the next one.


21 posted on 07/16/2012 1:28:10 PM PDT by servantoftheservant
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To: Student0165

They are supposed to be cops, not ninjas....


22 posted on 07/16/2012 1:32:04 PM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Does this now turn into a felony murder rap for the original perp?

Of course!

23 posted on 07/16/2012 1:33:30 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1272 of our ObamaVacation from reality - Heroes aren't made Frank, they're cornered...)
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To: rawhide

sheriff’s spokesman Lt. John Herrell said their silence was ‘tactically advantageous’.

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Another case of middle-aged wannabe’s mistaking themselves for Seal Team 6 and the SAS.

Sadly, its happening over here too. A national newspaper recently published an article written by two SAS officers who’d been involved in training (or attempting to train..) armed response UK cops.

It was highly critical, to put it modestly.

The first criticism was the lack of real physical standards.. a selection process that weeds most of the wannabe’s out.

The second was that most of ‘em were hotheaded mongs whose first question once they had one of their SAS chaperones sit down for a drink was some variation “Sooo.... ya’ killed anyone?”

Third was a description of an exercise where the officers were instructed to use minimal force, with SAS guys playing the aggressors and purposely running a scenario in which the hostages could be freed without use of lethal force. The cops, of course, jsut stormed in and shot everyone.

The last criticism was related to number 3, that the lack of tough selection.. both physical and psychological.. professionalism and training led to situations where once the adrenalin got pumping all the stuff they’d been taught went immediately out of the window in favor of the most violent response possible.

Sound familiar?


24 posted on 07/16/2012 1:36:52 PM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: Student0165

It will be ‘justified’, the police never admit they are wrong.


25 posted on 07/16/2012 1:43:53 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration (Pr 14:34 Righteousness exalteth a nation:but sin is a reproach to any people)
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To: KingOfVagabonds

Ditto


26 posted on 07/16/2012 1:51:56 PM PDT by Doctor 2Brains (If the government were Paris Hilton, it could not score a free drink in a bar full of lonely sailors)
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To: Student0165

DON’T ANSWER THE DOOR IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT!

You better figure out WHO is on the other side WITHOUT OPENING THE DOOR!

YOU have the disadvantage of having to take a second and evaluated the “visitor”, before deciding to shoot.

The visitor only needs to see the crack in the doorway....


27 posted on 07/16/2012 1:52:47 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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To: Lurker
Hopefully a couple of cops will now be exploring other job opportunities. spending the rest of their miserable lives in prison.
28 posted on 07/16/2012 1:55:19 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: gzzimlich
The second was that most of ‘em were hotheaded mongs

OK ...

What's a "mong"?

Context tells me I don't want to be one, and I don't want to be anywhere near one ...

29 posted on 07/16/2012 1:58:54 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Student0165

Bookmark


30 posted on 07/16/2012 2:00:27 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Urban dictionary to save the day.

(n.) Short for mongers.
Describing people who bring something,usually a bad feeling or comment to a setting or arena.


31 posted on 07/16/2012 2:05:06 PM PDT by Valpal1
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To: BCR #226

Indeed. If any non-officer shot an innocent man, he would already be jailed for murder.

I suppose Knights of the Realm are to be given special privileges not afforded to mere peasants.


32 posted on 07/16/2012 2:09:33 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: ArrogantBustard

Context tells me I don’t want to be one, and I don’t want to be anywhere near one

****

Indeed!

Mong = short for mongoloid.. the old term for someone with Downs Syndrome. A bit like moron but more politically incorrect and therefore more fun use, which probably explains why its still the insult of choice in many parts of HM’s Armed Forces.


33 posted on 07/16/2012 2:11:04 PM PDT by gzzimlich
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To: gzzimlich; Valpal1

Thank you.


34 posted on 07/16/2012 2:15:48 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Student0165; thefactor; Ratman83
Just the other day HERE on FR many FReepers were supportive of 2 Sacremento cops shooting a young hispanic male, they had up against a wall, when they saw the butt of a gun. "We" weren't there so somehow murder-by-cop is justified.
35 posted on 07/16/2012 2:25:13 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: rawhide

Cops murder wrong guy...


36 posted on 07/16/2012 2:25:30 PM PDT by Wolverine (A Concerned Citizen)
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To: gzzimlich

Link, please?


37 posted on 07/16/2012 2:33:47 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: Student0165

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Nothing will be done to the cops except they might get rewarded with extra vacation with pay.


38 posted on 07/16/2012 2:33:47 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: ArrogantBustard
The word, "mong" could be short for "Mongo."


39 posted on 07/16/2012 2:35:49 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Lurker
Men's Rey.
40 posted on 07/16/2012 2:46:34 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: DTogo
Still spreading disinformation that borders as libel.
41 posted on 07/16/2012 2:49:35 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: Student0165

This is just bullsh1t policing.

All these knobs ought to be fired. If they are going to be running around with lethal weapons and are so freaking indifferent to getting things wrong, heads must roll. They are murdering innocent citizens under color of law.

This sh1t has to be stopped and I hope the next cop team that gets it wrong get taken down by the innocent citizen defending himself.

These cops should have NO PROTECTION for not announcing. What the hell is an innocent citizen to reasonably assume? Not the freaking COPS busting in that’s for damn sure.

In my state if they come in unannounced the homeowner is protected if they fire on them. Of course they may claim they announced even if they did not. That’s where a person’s security cameras and recording gear have to come into play. And its unfortunate you have to have it but nowadays you do.


42 posted on 07/16/2012 3:08:20 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Student0165

Of course, too, the new rule is if you don’t have plans for someone coming over, you don’t open the door for anyone.

If they claim they are cops you call 911 and confirm it.


43 posted on 07/16/2012 3:09:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Lurker

Other job opportunities?

How about jail time for murder?


44 posted on 07/16/2012 3:11:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: rawhide

Almost every department has shifted rules of engagement so that they can do whatever they deem necessary to prevent officer injury.

Preventing officer injury trumps anything else now. This is why they shoot first and figure out their f*ck-ups later.


45 posted on 07/16/2012 3:13:39 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Truth29

Yes but in the middle of the night he may have not been thinking as clear as he may normally did when he was fully awake and alert.

I would not have opened the door, would have had my gun and been confirming they were actual cops.


46 posted on 07/16/2012 3:16:10 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: fortheDeclaration
It will be ‘justified’, the police never admit they are wrong.

Wait and see if the "hot pursuit" thingee is invoked.

Bets anyone?

47 posted on 07/16/2012 3:16:31 PM PDT by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimze, my handle is a Hate Crime. Hope they don't like it.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

You got that right. “Officer safety” is now the mostest importantest thing of all. As long as they followed “procedure” they’re in the clear. Nobody ever asks if “procedure” is depleted uranium density stupid or not.....


48 posted on 07/16/2012 3:17:26 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is, it is the only answer.)
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To: fortheDeclaration

You got that right! Anyone remember when the FBI agent shot the Eagle Scout for wearing a seatbelt? Then his bosses intimidated the investigators.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/647080/posts


49 posted on 07/16/2012 3:17:52 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Student0165

disgusting....


50 posted on 07/16/2012 3:47:54 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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