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Dehydrate dementia patients to death to save money: British Medical Journal editorial
LifeSiteNews ^ | 07/16/12 | Hilary White

Posted on 07/16/2012 6:10:54 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

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To: GOPJ

Trust me, ghetto dwellers, illegal immigrants, their families, the homeless, etc will be taken care of just fine... Gays are democrats too - they’ll be fine. Gays have more health care dollars spent on them than any other group (per person). No expense will be spared - they vote dem and donate money. That will continue.

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Yes, that is, until they run out of OPM.

Then what?


41 posted on 07/16/2012 7:30:03 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: lovesdogs
I would hate to meet the person who would deny a dying man a drink of water. That would have to be one mean miserable SOB.

Or a radical libertarian. But probably both.

42 posted on 07/16/2012 7:30:21 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Primum non nocere.


43 posted on 07/16/2012 7:31:31 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: lovesdogs
I would hate to meet the person who would deny a dying man a drink of water. That would have to be one mean miserable SOB.

What about about antibiotics that would cure a serious infection?

44 posted on 07/16/2012 7:31:59 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Obamacare - healthcare is a right, but life is not


45 posted on 07/16/2012 7:38:27 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: EEGator
Few medical schools today require students to recite the classical version of the oath.

Hippocratic Oath: Classical Version

I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant:

To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art—if they desire to learn it—without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else.

I will apply dietetic measures for the benefit of the sick according to my ability and judgment; I will keep them from harm and injustice.

I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.

I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work.

Whatever houses I may visit, I will come for the benefit of the sick, remaining free of all intentional injustice, of all mischief and in particular of sexual relations with both female and male persons, be they free or slaves.

What I may see or hear in the course of the treatment or even outside of the treatment in regard to the life of men, which on no account one must spread abroad, I will keep to myself, holding such things shameful to be spoken about.

If I fulfill this oath and do not violate it, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and art, being honored with fame among all men for all time to come; if I transgress it and swear falsely, may the opposite of all this be my lot.

Hippocratic Oath: Modern Version

I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:

I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow.

I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic nihilism.

I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug.

I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.

I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.

I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick.

I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.

I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.

—Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna, Academic Dean of the School of Medicine at Tufts University, and used in many medical schools today.

46 posted on 07/16/2012 7:38:56 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Coming soon to a hospital bed near you.


47 posted on 07/16/2012 7:38:56 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

I’ve seen it happening here already.


48 posted on 07/16/2012 7:40:11 PM PDT by marron
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

Raanan Gillon must immediately be determined to be insanly demented and refused all hydration.


49 posted on 07/16/2012 7:44:55 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

“But it may also be within my power to take a life;”

Does that mean on purpose?


50 posted on 07/16/2012 7:45:53 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

It certainly seems so.


51 posted on 07/16/2012 7:48:13 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp
I must have missed it in the article where they said they would deny dementia patients food and water...I thought they were saying that they would not run IV fluids or tube feedings....big, big difference...

let me just repeat an old adage...."Pneumonia is the the blessing of the aged"...

we've become godlike in our ability to prevent children and to extend life beyond any reasonable expectations....

people just got old and died 100 yrs ago...and even 50 yrs ago...and yes, even 30 yrs ago we used to "age" and finally die.

but I guess we aren't allowed to let nature take its course anymore...not pregnancy and not death....

gods....we think we are gods...

52 posted on 07/16/2012 7:50:57 PM PDT by cherry (/)
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To: Doe Eyes
What about about antibiotics that would cure a serious infection?

It depends on a whole host of things. Does the patient want it? Is it in short supply? Does it come with side effects that might give a HC provider pause? That is why I said that there were issues that were up for a larger debate. Giving a dying man a drink of water is instinct or at least I pray to God that it is.

53 posted on 07/16/2012 7:52:51 PM PDT by lovesdogs
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To: Dr. Brian Kopp

How lovely...
/s


54 posted on 07/16/2012 7:57:35 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: cherry
I must have missed it in the article where they said they would deny dementia patients food and water...I thought they were saying that they would not run IV fluids or tube feedings....big, big difference...

No difference, whether it arrives by spoon or a small tube, its still food and water either way. Its still a basic human right.

No amount of verbal engineering, of attempts to redefine food and water as "medical treatments" that can arbitrarily be withdrawn, will ever change that reality.

And if anyone wants to claim dehydration is a "comfortable" or humane way to go, lets lock you in a 98* room with zero humidity and no water for a couple days, just so you can experience a bit of that comfort.

55 posted on 07/16/2012 8:03:23 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: cherry
we've become godlike in our ability to prevent children and to extend life beyond any reasonable expectations....

Since when does simple food and drink extend life beyond any reasonable expectations?

See my last post.

56 posted on 07/16/2012 8:07:00 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: GreyFriar

Obamacare already mandates death panels.

I hope the judge who murdered Terri Schiavo dies as she did.


57 posted on 07/16/2012 8:11:20 PM PDT by zot
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To: Talisker

“If you don’t have money or insurance, you should die. Who is willing to pay for the deadbeats?”

Shut up, scumbag.


Yeah, it sounds cruel. But if I had a nickel for every time folks in here resented having to pay the medical costs of someone who couldn’t afford insurance, I would have a lot of money.


58 posted on 07/16/2012 8:12:52 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: cherry

gods....we think we are gods...


When in reality we are little more than talking monkeys.


59 posted on 07/16/2012 8:18:13 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: LibsRJerks

The country’s been looted. The United States is broke. But the people still have wealth - and than can be looted for many years to come... Fear not, OPM will last longer than you think...


60 posted on 07/16/2012 8:21:27 PM PDT by GOPJ (Innocent people dying was the objective of Fast and Furious......... Ann Coulter)
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