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Why Obama's College Records Matter
The American Thinker ^ | 17 July 2012 | Monte Kuligowski

Posted on 07/17/2012 1:24:21 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss

In context of the "mounting pressure" for Mitt Romney to provide more tax and employment records, a reporter recently asked White House Press Secretary Jay Carney whether President Obama would set an example in transparency and release some of his records that critics have asked for. That question was fingernails on the chalkboard to Carney. "Is that from Donald Trump?" Carey sneered, and laughed -- this time conspicuously alone.

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Yes, many want to see Obama's college records for grades and courses (as with G.W. Bush and others). But in Obama's case, the primary reason to see his college applications is to learn whether the president applied for college in the U.S. as a foreign student.

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The big question is whether little Barry was adopted by his stepfather, who was a citizen of Indonesia. There is reason to believe that he was and that in order to have been enrolled in public school in Indonesia, Barry had to be a citizen. Aaron Klein of WND.com notes that "[a]fter attending the Assisi Primary School, Obama later was enrolled at SDN Menteng 1, an Indonesian public school." That Obama might have been a citizen of Indonesia and later presented himself as a foreign student in the U.S. is no "birther" conspiracy theory. It's the gravamen of the college records question.

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There is every reason to expect that Lolo Soetoro adopted Barack as his son in connection with the move by the family to Indonesia.

Because Lolo had been turned down a permanent resident visa by the U.S., they would have planned to live in Indonesia and raise Barack as their son for the indefinite future.

So it is quite likely, and would have been quite natural, for Barack to have become the legal son of Lolo and also to have acquired Indonesian citizenship.

Did that mean Barack necessarily lost his U.S. citizenship by virtue of Lolo adopting him and becoming an Indonesian national?

Probably not. U.S. courts at the time looked to whether the child was old enough to understand what he was doing in relinquishing U.S. citizenship. Barack was probably too young at the time for a court to hold that by being adopted by Lolo and becoming an Indonesian citizen he intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship.

However, once Barack became older, say 17 years old or older, he would have been responsible for his own actions that demonstrated an intention to relinquish U.S. citizenship. (See Section 1481(a) of the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Act and the cases interpreting that statute, prior to the 1986 legislative changes which loosened the standards)

Under our law at the time, the answer is not given on the face of the statute -- one must examine the facts and circumstances surrounding each case and make a conclusion as to the intent looking at the situation as a whole.

An important and relevant fact to this determination is that Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship at that time.

Therefore, an action by Obama in holding himself out as an Indonesian citizen would mean that he would have chosen Indonesia over the United States. On the other hand, if Indonesia had allowed dual citizenship, and Obama had done something to demonstrate his preference to be an Indonesian citizen, there would be doubt -- maybe he intended to be both an Indonesian citizen and a U.S. citizen. Because Indonesia was very clear that if someone was to be an Indonesian citizen they could NOT be a citizen of another country, then if Obama chose Indonesian nationality he was thereby denying an intention to be a U.S. citizen.

What kind of action taken by Obama, after he was old enough to know what he was doing, would demonstrate that he no longer wanted to be a U.S. citizen and was relinquishing U.S. citizenship?

When Obama went to visit his mother in Indonesia, did he apply for an Indonesian passport or renew a passport he had from when he was younger? That would strongly indicate a desire to have sole allegiance to Indonesia and not the U.S., because he would have known that Indonesia did not countenance its passport-holders being nationals of another country. We don't know what he did.

What passport did he use to travel to Pakistan? What passport did he use to travel to Bali when he was supposedly working on his first book? No one knows.

Did Obama hold himself out as an Indonesian citizen when he applied for college admission? Or in order to obtain financial support? No one knows.

1 posted on 07/17/2012 1:24:27 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
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To: Meet the New Boss

I’d like to know if the president passed any math courses and actually has a snowball’s chance of understanding what an exponential function is. (as in the case of our federal government’s debt problem).


2 posted on 07/17/2012 1:29:13 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: MulberryDraw
Everything about the "man" (I use the term loosely here) is fabricated. He's clearly an idiot; not a chance in Hell that he could have A) gotten into these colleges on his own, or B) he had the gray matter to actually pass the course load(s). That is now patently obvious.

This boy is a created sock puppet. What we really need to focus on is........whose.

3 posted on 07/17/2012 1:42:49 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: Meet the New Boss

“Why Obama’s College Records Matter”

It matters because if employers require proof of education, residency, employment history, criminal background checks and hair test drug screening for Americans who would be paid $9 an hour for a temporary part-time job with no “benefits” then citizens ought to expect the same kind of scrutiny be applied to a candidate or nominee for the office of President of the United States, the vice-presidency, cabinet appointees, members of Congress, etc, etc, etc.


4 posted on 07/17/2012 2:11:58 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: Meet the New Boss; All

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/07/my_white_girlfriend_inspired_obamas_big_dark_regina_in_dreams_from_my_father.html

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/meeting_young_obama.html


5 posted on 07/17/2012 2:14:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I like the idea that Romney is holding out to showing tax returns, and hopefully has the guts to turn this around on Obama, by asking him to be transparent as well.

In the end, I don’t think Romney has anything to hide, but if he caves to this imposter, then it kicks him down another notch amongst us here.

Secondly, he needs a good attack dog here for VP.


6 posted on 07/17/2012 2:43:53 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Meet the New Boss
Im of the opinion that 3 issues are going to be answered by the release 1.) country of origin

2.) Grades (I think his grades alone will prove incapability

3.) Law License issues for him and the wookie, as they perpetrated a fraud

7 posted on 07/17/2012 2:45:54 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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To: Meet the New Boss

Of course, this did matter .... until
Mr. RomneyCARE began his non-transparency
to protect his Obama.

Mr. RomneyCARE ALWAYS protects his Obama
from TARP to BC to taxes to EVERYTHING.
and then claims otherwise.


8 posted on 07/17/2012 2:46:47 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: nikos1121
....Secondly, he needs a good attack dog here for VP.

And his campaign seems to agree (with word that a decision has been made).

9 posted on 07/17/2012 2:53:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I expect Rubio to be that choice, why would Hispanics not vote for the first Hispanic vice president, en masse?
Let them raise the Natural Born Issue, Obama is then exposed to real scrutiny, and the Liberal media would have a hard time protecting him.


10 posted on 07/17/2012 3:26:06 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: pennboricua

>why would Hispanics not vote for the first Hispanic vice president, en masse?

Because they -unlike a whole bunch of whites - understand craven political pandering and find it repugnant.

Rubio does not have any part of a VP selection.


11 posted on 07/17/2012 3:34:44 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Meet the New Boss
“Why Obama’s College Records Matter”

Obama graduated from Harvard MAGNA CUM FRAUD

12 posted on 07/17/2012 3:44:37 AM PDT by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals Crazy!)
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To: Meet the New Boss
"Is that from Donald Trump?" Carey sneered

Yes, it was someone with balls. It was not mitt.

13 posted on 07/17/2012 3:51:30 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Goode over evil. Voting for mitt or obie is like throwing your country away.)
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To: Meet the New Boss
""Is that from Donald Trump?" Carey sneered, and laughed -- this time conspicuously alone."

The last laugh has yet to be laughed in this tragicomic story.

The presser later today by Sheriff Joe Arpaio's Cold Case Posse could prove to be devastating in an "indisputable" manner to the "Obama" life narrative.

These chuckleheads might've gotten clean away with this malarkey 20 years ago, but with the amount of information (and, admittedly, disinformation) available to so many these days, I think it's only a matter of time before the true nature of the perfidy that is the "Obama" pResidency comes to light, at least in the broader court of opinion, if not in a duly constituted legal setting.

I'll be keeping my powder dry and investing in popcorn futures.

14 posted on 07/17/2012 3:55:04 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If America were a car, the "Check President" light would be on.)
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To: RightOnline

I think Obama is a reasonably intelligent man. But, I don’t think he’s all that.

In fact, I was watching Fox showing him do his “you didn’t build your business” talk yesterday. He was clearly struggling putting the words and ideas together. The delivery was very weak, and he was oozing uncertainty.

In a speech class it was clearly a C- effort. And this is the master speech maker.

That’s how I see him in other areas: capable but nothing to write home about.


15 posted on 07/17/2012 4:04:09 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Meet the New Boss

The American people should know who positioned this post turtle and why. Let’s open all of his applications to college and his transcripts. And we still need to find out which Social Security number he used as I.D.


16 posted on 07/17/2012 4:23:36 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: xzins

I disagree with your view. I think Obma is at best average intelligence, but he fried his remaining brain cells with pot and coke. He clearly is not any sort of extemporaneous speaker, which is a sign of intelligence. He is not a master speech maker. He does know how to read the words of other writers. He is undoubtedly a product of Affirmative Action preferences and his “black” skin.


17 posted on 07/17/2012 4:24:14 AM PDT by astounded (Barack Obama is a clear and present danger to the USA)
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To: Revelation 911

Did Obama commit felony fraud on his college application???


18 posted on 07/17/2012 4:25:59 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: astounded

I see him as a B student.


19 posted on 07/17/2012 4:29:35 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: RightOnline
This boy is a created sock puppet. What we really need to focus on is........whose.

Surprised it's not obvious to you: George Soros. That's whose.

20 posted on 07/17/2012 4:29:50 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: xzins

I respectfully disagree. I’ve watched, listened to this clown speak far too many times. He’s utterly worthless without his teleprompter; whenever he goes off ‘prompter, he stutters and stammers and gropes like the amateur he really is. The man can’t string a coherent train of thought together.

No, his “intelligence” is an MSM-created myth, along with pretty much everything else about him. He’s truly the village idiot.


21 posted on 07/17/2012 4:32:21 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: equaviator

Bingo!


22 posted on 07/17/2012 4:32:47 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Meet the New Boss

College transcripts certainly mattered when some leftist administrator at Yale deliberately leaked George W. Bush’s college transcripts.


23 posted on 07/17/2012 4:36:11 AM PDT by BillyBonebrake
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To: usconservative

Not so sure. I AM sure that Soros is involved heavily, yes.....but I doubt he pulled this off alone for all these years. No, there are other shadowy players at work here, NO doubt about it.


24 posted on 07/17/2012 4:37:05 AM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: astounded

“”””He does know how to read the words of other writers”””

Like when he said “corpse men”?


25 posted on 07/17/2012 4:38:18 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: xzins

Obama’s reputation as a master speech maker is based solely on reading a teleprompter. When he actually has to think on his feet and speak off the cuff he fails miserably. This has always been the case.

Why anyone somehow imagines that he’s a genius really escapes me. He certainly has never accomplished anything of note which would indicate it.


26 posted on 07/17/2012 4:39:49 AM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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To: Meet the New Boss

hmmmm....so it may not be an issue of “where” he was born, but more of an issue of “who” he claimed to be at various points in his life.

So he may have been a citizen of Indonesia while it benefited him.
And then when it longer did - he needed to be a US citizen.
By that time he needed to produce a selective service application, a birth certificate, and a social security number.

This makes more sense than some of the other theories out there, and explains the lockdown on school transcripts.


27 posted on 07/17/2012 4:43:40 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Meet the New Boss
...the primary reason to see his [Obama's] college applications is to learn whether the president applied for college in the U.S. as a foreign student.

Odd how the MSM isn't even a tad curious about this... Could it be they've all got the 'Dan Rather' syndrome - - where hatred of conservatives causes them to throw away credibility, respect and decency?

Or are they being bought off with promises of 'scoops' to die for?

The Washington Post and New York Times would know - but they're not going to share - not going to tell the truth... crickets from the LA Times? Well, DID OBAMA APPLY FOR COLLEGE IN THE U.S. AS A FOREIGN STUDENT? It's the public's right to know...

28 posted on 07/17/2012 4:51:12 AM PDT by GOPJ (Innocent people dying was the objective of Fast and Furious......... Ann Coulter)
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To: missnry; tet68
tet68 made a great comment regarding criticism on another thread: "Criticism is a small step but an important one...mockery, ridicule.....".

Perhaps we should me focusing our criticism and ridicule on the institution that produced the likes of the Fraud-in-Chief. Harvard's reputation is severely damaged with results like Obama and Liz Warren, at least in many's eyes.

29 posted on 07/17/2012 4:57:27 AM PDT by PuzzledInTX
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To: Meet the New Boss

“Probably not. U.S. courts at the time looked to whether the child was old enough to understand what he was doing in relinquishing U.S. citizenship. Barack was probably too young at the time for a court to hold that by being adopted by Lolo and becoming an Indonesian citizen he intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship.”

It wouldn’t matter if the minor was a 6 week old baby, a procedure to determine if it is in the United States’ best interest to grant the request is in place. The U.S. Embassy is there to protect the interest of the United States and not determine what is best for its individual citizens in-country and act accordingly.

Anyone of any age can move out of the country and renounce their U.S. Citizenship. For a minor, the child is presented to a Counselor Affairs Officer (CAO) at a U.S. Embassy located in a country outside of the U.S. The CAO is informed the minor would like to renounce their U.S. Citizenship. A locally employed staff member (LES) is assigned to the child to investigate and make a report to the CAO.

The CAO reviews the report from the LES and reports to the Secretary of State a minor has asked to renounce his/her U.S. Citizenship through a LES. The CAO makes a recommendation to the SoS based on what is in the best interest of the United States.

The State Department has a policy to give the minors until 6 months after their 18th birthday to renew their U.S. Citizenship if they change their mind after they have renounced.

We know Obama was a foreign national when he arrived in Hawaii in 1971 because he was taken into Federal custody as an Unaccompanied Minor. If he were a U.S. Citizen, he would have put in State-based child services custody. Only children with foreign citizenship are placed in the Federal Foster care program.

In 1971, Catholic Social Services of Connecticut contracted with DHHS to provide service for foreign minors placed in the Federal foster care program. Obama entered the Federal foster care program in 1971 and did not leave the program until he turned 18 in 1979. His grandmother was appointed as a foster parent; yet Obama remained in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of Connecticut. Permanent Resident Aliens are entitled to obtain a SSN. Thus, a Connecticut based SSN pre-fix.


30 posted on 07/17/2012 4:59:37 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio.)
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To: pennboricua

‘Let them raise the Natural Born Issue...’

They won’t raise it. They will let it slide so another precedent would have been set and there will be no turning around - and that would be the end of the constitution!


31 posted on 07/17/2012 4:59:43 AM PDT by chrisnj
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To: Meet the New Boss
Yes, many want to see Obama's college records for grades and courses (as with G.W. Bush and others). But in Obama's case, the primary reason to see his college applications is to learn whether the president applied for college in the U.S. as a foreign student.

Does anyone really think the American people care anymore whether or not their "president" is a citizen? Seeing the smiling, nodding faces behind The Won as he proudly stated that entrepreneurs didn't accomplish anything on their own made it clear to me that he has successfully become their god.

32 posted on 07/17/2012 5:09:45 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: SvenMagnussen
We know Obama was a foreign national when he arrived in Hawaii in 1971 because he was taken into Federal custody as an Unaccompanied Minor. If he were a U.S. Citizen, he would have put in State-based child services custody. Only children with foreign citizenship are placed in the Federal Foster care program.

Is this information well known? I've never seen it before.

33 posted on 07/17/2012 5:45:40 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: COUNTrecount

As a matter of policy to combat child trafficking, ICE takes Unaccompanied Minor Children with foreign nationality at border crossings into Federal protective custody. Unaccompanied Minor Children with U.S. Citizenship are placed in the custody of state-based child services or local law enforcement to attend to abandoned children.

Try a google search for “Unaccompanied minor children with foreign nationality.”


34 posted on 07/17/2012 6:05:19 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio.)
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To: shelterguy

Good point.....LOL


35 posted on 07/17/2012 6:07:48 AM PDT by astounded (Barack Obama is a clear and present danger to the USA)
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To: arasina

Totally agree with your comment.

Some of this stuff on Baraq’s history might have had an effect in 2008. Sadly at that point the MSM was devoting all its resources to investigating Joe the Plumber and Palin’s Down Syndrome child.

Now the people voting for Baraq are doing it based on his ideology - period.


36 posted on 07/17/2012 6:10:52 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: RightOnline
there are other shadowy players at work here, NO doubt about it.

You are right of course. That is why his present mantra is you can't succeed in business on your own. He really doesn't know any better.

37 posted on 07/17/2012 6:12:39 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: pennboricua

Good point. I like Marco too. I think the Hispanic vote is important and as a business owner. My Hispanic workers are the hardest work folks I have. They are GOD FEARING CATHOLICS. They would bring a good future back to the GOP.


38 posted on 07/17/2012 7:37:19 AM PDT by ncfool (OMG 2012)
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To: usconservative
Surprised it's not obvious to you: George Soros. That's whose.

I think this particular Manchurian's origins predate Soro's arrival on the scene. If we could discover who really pulls the strings that pulls the strings that pulls the strings that manipulate this puppet, we'd know a hell of a lot more about what is really going on in the world.

39 posted on 07/17/2012 8:12:45 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Is there documentation that Barry was listed as a “child with foreign nationality” when he entered Hawaii to live with his grandparents?

Thank you.


40 posted on 07/17/2012 8:41:08 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: missnry

...”magna cum fraud.”

And let’s not forget that he had all kinds of help. No way could he have accomplished all of that on his own.


41 posted on 07/17/2012 9:14:22 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: COUNTrecount; SvenMagnussen

I googled this theory and watched as others pushed SvenMagnussen for link supporting federal custody idea and always Sven drops out of the discussion before proof is delivered. Notice too that the custody characters will then be conveniently based in Connecticut and these nice custody people apply for a SS card from their office in Connecticut therein proving Obama is using his own Connecticut SS number.


42 posted on 07/17/2012 9:15:45 AM PDT by widdle_wabbit (taglines don't always work.)
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To: MulberryDraw

bokmark


43 posted on 07/17/2012 9:44:59 AM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: SvenMagnussen
How do you "know" that Obama "was taken into Federal custody as an Unaccompanied Minor"?

Cite, retract, or be exposed as a purveyor of misinformation.

Thanks in advance for your help.

44 posted on 07/17/2012 10:06:08 AM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: SvenMagnussen
If this (reply 34) is the basis for your statement, you need to reword it, as you have your causal predicate backwards.

You should be saying:

"We know Obama was taken into Federal custody as an Unaccompanied Minor a foreign national when he arrived in Hawaii in 1971 because he was was a foreign national when he arrived."

Based on the information in Reply 34 and Ann Dunham's passport records (and Barry's Indonesian school records), the above would be a factual statement.

However, when you claim, as you repeatedly do, that:

We know Obama was a foreign national when he arrived in Hawaii in 1971 because he was taken into Federal custody as an Unaccompanied Minor.

-- you are claiming to "know" something without establishing any basis for it and are therefore rightly being called out a BS artist. Get your logic fixed and you would be taken a lot more seriously.

Hope this helps.

45 posted on 07/17/2012 10:13:06 AM PDT by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: widdle_wabbit

“I googled this theory and watched as others pushed SvenMagnussen ...”

What did you find?


46 posted on 07/17/2012 11:00:47 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio.)
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To: COUNTrecount

“Is there documentation that Barry was listed as a “child with foreign nationality” when he entered Hawaii to live with his grandparents?”

Of course. Obama could waive his right to privacy to show his Alien Registration file with USCIS just as easily as he can with HI DoH to obtain his vital records.


47 posted on 07/17/2012 11:07:24 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (Gossip is Satan's talk radio.)
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To: Plummz

Sven spews his garbage over and over. Others have challenged him to cite, myself included, and he refuses. Sven is a troll and his posts should be ignored.


48 posted on 07/17/2012 11:16:20 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: SvenMagnussen
We know Obama was a foreign national when he arrived in Hawaii in 1971 because he was taken into Federal custody as an Unaccompanied Minor.

And just how do "WE" "KNOW" this?

49 posted on 07/17/2012 11:22:26 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: SvenMagnussen
As a matter of policy to combat child trafficking, ICE takes Unaccompanied Minor Children with foreign nationality at border crossings into Federal protective custody.

ICE did not exist in 1971 What does that have to do with your assertion:

We know Obama was a foreign national when he arrived in Hawaii in 1971 because he was taken into Federal custody as an Unaccompanied Minor.

We don't "know" any such thing. You assert that repeatedly, but I have not seen any evidence from you to support your assertion.

50 posted on 07/17/2012 11:28:41 AM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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