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Look Who's Holding the Economy Hostage Now
Investor's Businss Daily ^ | 07/16/2012 | IBD Staff

Posted on 07/17/2012 5:06:43 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer

Inequality: Democrats say they'll let all the Bush-era tax cuts expire if they can't raise taxes on the rich. Apparently, economic catastrophe is a reasonable price to pay for class warfare politics.

On Monday, Sen. Patty Murray, who heads the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said that "unless Republicans end their commitment to protecting the rich above all else, our country is going to have to face the consequences of Republican intransigence."

What she really means is Democratic intransigence.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: classwarfare; democrats; obama; taxes

1 posted on 07/17/2012 5:06:55 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer
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To: IBD editorial writer

The Congressional budget office says the top 20% of earners pay 68% of all the income taxes paid while the bottom 20% pay nothing. Obama says 68% is not a fair share, and I agree with him. The top earners do indeed deserve a tax cut.


2 posted on 07/17/2012 5:09:01 AM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: csmusaret

MYTH: The Bush tax cuts caused the deficit. FACT: In 2002, tax revenues were $1.85 trillion. In 2007, revenues were $2.57 trillion — a 39 percent INCREASE.


3 posted on 07/17/2012 5:09:54 AM PDT by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Let it happen.


4 posted on 07/17/2012 5:11:15 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: IBD editorial writer

Also, I think this is a dying gasp of Democrats who are facing losing the WH and Senate majority. They was to put the next congress and President in as deep an economic hole as possible. Fargin scumbags.


5 posted on 07/17/2012 5:13:50 AM PDT by IamConservative (Well done is better than well said. - Ben Franklin)
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To: IBD editorial writer

The entire scenario is not sustainable. Sixteen trillion in debt, continuing trillion dollar deficits, unfunded entitlements, an overtaxing, over regulating government that is contracting the productive economy. However painful it eventually has to collapse. A certified fool like Patty Murray would be just the right catalyst.


6 posted on 07/17/2012 5:19:08 AM PDT by allendale
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To: IBD editorial writer

Commie Reid is holding up the vote not the Repubs.

Pray for America


7 posted on 07/17/2012 5:20:42 AM PDT by bray (If you vote for a Communist, what's that make you?)
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To: IBD editorial writer

This is turning into a game of “MEGA-CHICKEN”. It will be interesting to see who blinks first.


8 posted on 07/17/2012 5:21:15 AM PDT by GoldenPup (Comrade "O" has got to GO!!)
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To: IBD editorial writer; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; ..
RE :” Democrats say they'll let all the Bush-era tax cuts expire if they can't raise taxes on the rich. Apparently, economic catastrophe is a reasonable price to pay for class warfare politics.
On Monday, Sen. Patty Murray, who heads the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, said that “unless Republicans end their commitment to protecting the rich above all else, our country is going to have to face the consequences of Republican intransigence.”
What she really means is Democratic intransigence.
After all, Republicans have taken the perfectly reasonable position that the last thing you want to do when the economy is barely breathing is raise taxes.
Obama himself once made that argument, at a time when the economy was doing better than it is today. And a few level-headed Senate Democrats agree.
Yet now, faced with a tough re-election and desperate to score political points, Obama says he'll veto any bill that extends all the Bush tax cuts, and Democrats, as evidenced by Murray's comments, are falling in line.

Right now this has less to do with what happens the end of the year and everything to do with the November election and courting voters. And that election will determine to some-degree tax policy as Obama WILL veto tax cut extensions this time around, and blame Republicans.

The flip side is that now that Dems got super-mega-rich Romney to beat up for being out of touch with ordinary Americans, they now want to bait Republicans into as they phrase it :”Opposing tax cuts for the middle class and supporting tax cuts for mega-rich outsourcers like Romney”. It fits the script.

You got to wonder what that last RINO congress in 2010 achieved for us by temporarily extending those cuts through Obama’s election. The last thing Obama wanted was any taxes to go up back in late 2010, but those Republicans by ‘winning’ that extension (to the upper earners) saved him and gave him an election year issue to go with too, perfect with Romney as an opponent. Worse yet to get that deal they cut FICA and put SS recipients on the public dept gravy train, now Republicans don't know how to undo that and just caved on that once again.

I think the best option would have been if Democrats alone raised taxes on the rich when they had the house, but there is no way Dems could get their own votes in the Senate even though they only needed 50+Biden in the Senate.

The next best option would have been if the NE RINOs who betrayed us on DADT in late 2010 at the same time went along with Democrats in the Senate and just extended the middle class tax cuts and let the upper ones expire. If that happened the debate over taxes would completely different now. We now would be talking about how Obama's tax increases is what's killing the economy, instead Dems are saying the tax cuts are not working (this argument is easily pulled apart but Republicans dont appear smart enough to do it.)

Yes Rush, you sometimes win by losing. Obama was helped by (looking like) he lost that one vote in late 2010 when it was really a win for him. I am not optimistic.

9 posted on 07/17/2012 5:50:03 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (It's Obam-ney Care ))
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To: bray
Commie Reid is holding up the vote not the Repubs.

LOL. You are clearly not using Patty Murray type logic which goes something like this:

Reid can't call a vote on the Obama Bush Tax Cut Plan because he will lose the vote. But that's because so many Republicans (and only incidentally, a few Dems) will vote against it. So, clearly, this is the fault of the GOP and not the Dems. Reid is just doing his job.

Is there any doubt that the NYT and the rest will report the Patty Murray version?

10 posted on 07/17/2012 5:51:55 AM PDT by InterceptPoint (TIN)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Why is it that demorats don’t understand that when you are out of money you MUST stop spending? We’ve borrowed trillions and that didn’t help so now we need more money from the rich to pay that off. When the heck does it stop?

I have a great idea. Congress, how about reducing your pay and automatic raises by at least half? That should help about as much as anything else. Yeah, let’s give that a try.


11 posted on 07/17/2012 5:53:26 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: sickoflibs

Your post says what I’ve been saying for a long time now:

The core problem is the electorate.


12 posted on 07/17/2012 5:57:51 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Seems pretty simple, really. The R’s say they want to extend the tax break for everyone, including those that make over $250,000 since they are also the employers that produce things. And since the R’s are “pro-jobs” they want to be “employer friendly” and not kill jobs by raising taxes and fees on employers.

Then drive this home like a broken record and when someone says “same old talking point” just say, “To say the sun sets in the west is a talking point. It is also truth. Why do you hate truth?”


13 posted on 07/17/2012 6:05:32 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: IBD editorial writer
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Life must be so much easier without a functioning brain. Almost makes one wish to be a DemonRat.

14 posted on 07/17/2012 6:09:47 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Yes We Can Vote him Out!)
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To: IBD editorial writer

The democrats are still in the extortion game.


15 posted on 07/17/2012 6:33:48 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: cuban leaf; Gilbo_3; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; Pan_Yans Wife
RE :”The core problem is the electorate.

There is another huge problem. Republicans finally got the WH and both houses congress and successfully passed tax cuts and it seemed to help the economy for a while, tough to prove because there was also growing deficit spending, very low Federal reserve interest rates ( stimulus) for 2 or so years and a housing bubble which could never be sustainable that also boosted the economy temporarily, and inflation.

So GWB leaves office after 8 years with an economic catastrophe. This is hardly a good selling point for any policies Republicans pitch. If Bush left office with a booming economy none of this would be debated now and tax cuts would be an easy sell.

Then we get Obama and a huge Dem majority and voters turn against them for a while because the economy is not not improving as deficits skyrocket.

But now we got split government and its all down to a finger pointing game. There is no one we can trust anymore. It's just bad vs worse. I guess this is why I am so pessimistic. Even if we get Republicans in charge again they will take over the excuse-making job from Obama.

16 posted on 07/17/2012 7:00:07 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (It's Obam-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs

The Republicans are so anxious to cut taxes, because it plays well. But frankly, the better approach is to cut the spending first, then cut the taxes.


17 posted on 07/17/2012 7:03:20 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: IBD editorial writer

Call the bluff. Let the Democrats force a tax increase on everybody, and nail ‘em to the wall.

Oh, wait. The MSM will never bring this to the attention of the sheeple, and the ‘Pubbies don’t have the guts...


18 posted on 07/17/2012 7:09:27 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: sickoflibs; cuban leaf
the electorate, and the media and the politics of soundbytes...etc etc etc...

eventually it comes down to the fleas being allowed to vote on which dog to suck dry...with a few variables mixed in...

take a meataxe to the 'budget' and then see how much cash is needed to support the Constitutional requirements of gubmint...

that couldve/wouldve worked 40 yrs ago...

at this point, we're tryin to prioritize who gets the lifeboats, and most pols believe they *deserve* that seat...

19 posted on 07/17/2012 7:14:26 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3; sickoflibs; cuban leaf; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; Impy; ...

” take a meataxe to the ‘budget’ and then see how much cash is needed to support the Constitutional requirements of gubmint...

that couldve/wouldve worked 40 yrs ago...

at this point, we’re tryin to prioritize who gets the lifeboats, and most pols believe they *deserve* that seat... “

Most GOP House & Senate members deserve to go to jail, or starve to death in the streets. Why? Because even though they are whores who sold us out, they KNOW BETTER, and don’t give a rats a$$ about our country anymore. Taken as a group, they have sold us out completely. They will take their outrageous pensions, and then go work as a $1,000,000 a year lobbyist,(Trent Lott, et al) or go “double dip “ as an executive for Archer Daniels Midland, or whatever corporation or special interest group “bought” them during their career. That goes for around 90% of the sunzabishes!


20 posted on 07/17/2012 11:58:30 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3
RE :”Taken as a group, they have sold us out completely.

Maybe so, but our prostitutes are still much better than theirs. How do I know? they say the things that we want to hear more often.

The game is :

1) finger pointing
2) excuses
3) diversionary symbolic votes

21 posted on 07/17/2012 12:23:34 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Irepeal Obam-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3

” our prostitutes are still much better than theirs. How do I know? they say the things that we want to hear more often.

The game is :

1) finger pointing
2) excuses
3) diversionary symbolic votes “

That is all they do.


22 posted on 07/17/2012 12:27:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Gilbo_3; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”” take a meataxe to the ‘budget’ and then see how much cash is needed to support the Constitutional requirements of gubmint...

More like a nailclipper.

How about that 2011 deficit reduction budget where the cuts were less than the increased military spending so it increased spending from the previous year? but the important thing is they blamed it on Obama.

23 posted on 07/17/2012 12:31:24 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Irepeal Obam-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3

“How about that 2011 deficit reduction budget where the cuts were less than the increased military spending so it increased spending from the previous year? but the important thing is they blamed it on Obama. “

One thing is for sure.....if we win the election, the GOP will have had ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with it. We will have won because a few Americans figured out that Obama is an enemy of the United States.


24 posted on 07/17/2012 12:39:55 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Gilbo_3
RE :”One thing is for sure.....if we win the election

WE??? Are you running for office ? Neither Gilbo or I are.

25 posted on 07/17/2012 12:52:49 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Irepeal Obam-ney Care ))
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To: sickoflibs; Gilbo_3

: )

SOL in 2012!!


26 posted on 07/17/2012 12:59:21 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
RE :”One thing is for sure.....if we win the election”

unfortunately, as big of a POS as the bambam is, and the destruction he will attempt in a 2nd term is a given...

the other guys might be worse in the grand scheme of things, 20-30 yrs out...look at the damage being wrought with most of Ws signature *achievements* only 5-10 yrs out...

another poster wrote that the choice is between a heart attack and cancer...i think that sums it up pretty well...

27 posted on 07/17/2012 2:44:26 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: GoldenPup

Past experience says the GOP will.


28 posted on 07/17/2012 2:54:55 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are useless and useful idiots.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks sickoflibs.


29 posted on 07/17/2012 3:02:45 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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