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Gays and lesbians keep pressure on Boy Scouts to let them be members
Dallas News ^ | July 16 2012 | Scott Parks

Posted on 07/17/2012 7:52:09 AM PDT by scottjewell

LGBT advocacy groups are continuing to pressure Boy Scouts of America, which applies a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy on sexual orientation of its youth members and its adult leaders.

This morning, a press release from change.org landed in our in-box announcing that Jennifer Tyrrell, a gay mom who was removed as a den leader by the Boy Scouts of America, will deliver 300,000 petition signatures to the Boy Scouts of America’s national headquarters. The petition calls on the Scouts to reinstate her and end their policy prohibiting gay scouts and scout leaders.

Deron Smith, a Boy Scout spokesman, said this morning that that plan is puzzling because the gay and lesbian groups already presented their petition to the Boy Scouts during an annual Scout meeting in Orlando in May.

“It’s the same exact petitions as far as I know,” Smith said.

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Tyrrell’s campaign recently convinced another Boy Scout board member, Ernst & Young Chairman and CEO James Turley, to publicly oppose the organization’s ban on gay scouts and leaders. Turley announced last month that he intends to “work from within the Boy Scouts of America Board to actively encourage dialogue and sustainable progress” on ending the ban on gay scouts and gay scout leaders. Tyrrell has also collected more than 75,000 signatures on a petition to AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson, rumored to become the President-elect of the Boy Scouts of America Board of Directors. AT&T is also headquartered in Dallas.

Tyrrell’s campaign has earned the support of numerous celebrities as well, including Julianne Moore, Benicio Del Toro, Josh Hutcherson, Ricky Martin and others, and Tyrrell has been featured at the GLAAD Media Awards in Los Angeles and San Francisco for her work to end the Boy Scouts’ ban on gay scouts and scout leaders.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: boyscouts; boyscoutsofamerica; bsa; homosexualagenda; lgbt; scouting; scouts
Guess they will not let up until BSA caves.
1 posted on 07/17/2012 7:52:17 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell
Here is a new study regarding Hetero versus homo "parents".

gold standard study

2 posted on 07/17/2012 7:55:09 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: SandRat

Scout ping.

More homo nonsense...


3 posted on 07/17/2012 7:59:55 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: scottjewell; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

BSA is on my donate list every year,
why dont the libs just create their own GSA and LSA (Gay/Lesbian Scouts of America) instead of ruining a great institution that helps boys become responsible men??

Fing libs! Won’t hear Republicans talking about this either, too scared.


4 posted on 07/17/2012 8:00:05 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Irepeal Obam-ney Care ))
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To: scottjewell

If the BSA “caves”, it’s dead.

Which is all part of the plan anyway.

The BSA is one of the last nationally recognized bastions teaching and instilling positive values and morals to young men.

In a queer’s mind, it needs to be destroyed, it is the antithesis to queerdom, liberalism and godlessness.


5 posted on 07/17/2012 8:03:09 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: lormand

Unfortunately, that is the study by Mark Regnerus. The gay advocates had a hissy fit, and now the University of Texas is investigating Regnerus for misconduct with the study, and for receiving funds from anti-gay groups:

“U. of Texas Investigating Mark Regnerus for Scientific Misconduct Over Flawed, Anti-Gay Parenting ‘Study’”

http://www.towleroad.com/2012/07/u-of-texas-investigating-mark-regnerus-for-scientific-misconduct-over-flawed-anti-gay-parenting-stud.html#ixzz20tOiG4Os


6 posted on 07/17/2012 8:03:41 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Change.org “petitions” are meaningless. You can “sign” 10,000 times in a row from the same PC if you wish. Try it. Can’t do it on a site like GoPetitions, which blocks repeat emails addresses and IP addresses.


7 posted on 07/17/2012 8:08:01 AM PDT by montag813
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To: SZonian

Agreed, caving = death, which is the goal. Notice how as others have said, they are fully free to form their own Gay Scouts association. But no, they seek to infiltrate and change the rooted, traditional one. I hope the BSA do not waver on this.


8 posted on 07/17/2012 8:08:27 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: montag813

I know, which is why I hope BSA stand their ground here.


9 posted on 07/17/2012 8:11:10 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Last I heard - right now this is a non-starter with the BSA. I figure they are going to keep it that way for the time being. I’m a Scout Master - and likely will quite the organization. If they are willing to change their values on this - then they are willing to devalue other aspects of the organization too, like the Eagle award.


10 posted on 07/17/2012 8:13:38 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: sickoflibs

Importantly, if you give to the BSA, give directly to them, and not through an umbrella organization like the United Way, which is now giving to a lot of questionable causes.

I have never seen arguments over the advantages of giving to the national organization, the local council, or both. I can well imagine that the local councils vary tremendously in both character and the personalities involved.

It would probably serve the national well, were they to create a separate, legal branch, to take on those that attack the BSA. When Pat Robertson did this by creating the American Center for Law and Justice, it became hugely successful, fighting “brush fire” attacks and judicial activism all over the US, and usually winning.


11 posted on 07/17/2012 8:14:07 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: scottjewell
As much as the radical homo lobby wishes, this study will stand the scrutiny, no matter how hard they push against it.

This study is the most thorough and comprehensive study of it's kind. The facts counter the 'just a normal lifestyle' arguments of the past few decades.

It is actually a shame that we have to have a debate about how kids raised by their two biological parents have the best chance of survival.

12 posted on 07/17/2012 8:19:24 AM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: scottjewell

I don’t think they will.

There’s way too much money coming in from church sponsored/affiliated Troops, who do have a lot of influence.

Liberalism is a deadly, infectious disease. It ultimately destroys anything that is good.

I loathe and despise liberalism, thus, I loathe and despise liberals.


13 posted on 07/17/2012 8:19:53 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
RE :”Importantly, if you give to the BSA, give directly to them, and not through an umbrella organization like the United Way, which is now giving to a lot of questionable causes.

A friend scoutleader told me that about a decade ago.

Another reason to avoid middle organizations like UW is like the feds they a non-profit have a huge very costly administration that eats up the money, and they cant tell you exactly how much of your donation gets to the real charity.

I always try to explain this to kids out of college who are taught that non-profits are more efficient than profits.

14 posted on 07/17/2012 8:21:55 AM PDT by sickoflibs (Romney is still a liberal. Just watch him. (Irepeal Obam-ney Care ))
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To: fremont_steve

SM here as well.

They would have to redefine the Scout Oath and the Scout Law.

If the BSA did cave on this, our Troop would probably fold. In addition to the many church sponsored/affiliated Troops as well.

I will not endorse, support or participate in any organization that allows Scouts to become prey for queers.

I’m glad our son is on the cusp of earning his Eagle Award. Just completed his Eagle project, 2 MB’s and BoR left.

P.S. I saw in another thread you were at EB this summer. Which week? Our Troop went there week 4. Took lots of pics of the USS Iowa on the way out.


15 posted on 07/17/2012 8:26:49 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: scottjewell

Good for the Boy Scouts standing their ground. The LBGT’s can **** off as far as I am concerned.


16 posted on 07/17/2012 8:30:41 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: lormand

Yes, it is a shame, and a commentary on our era, that common sense would be hailed as a shocking and possibly flawed study!


17 posted on 07/17/2012 8:30:47 AM PDT by scottjewell
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To: scottjewell

Let the LGBTetc start their own scouting-type organization. Then let the kids and their parents decide where they want to go. I’m confident in the result.


18 posted on 07/17/2012 8:36:09 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: scottjewell

The Scouts won’t be safe until they kick-out those corporate executive board members who are supporting gay scouting.


19 posted on 07/17/2012 8:48:06 AM PDT by Socon-Econ (Socon-Econ)
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To: sickoflibs; scottjewell; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; ...

BSA is a private institution. If they don’t want the deviants around the kids, that’s their prerogative and their right.

“...ruining a great institution that helps boys become responsible men...”

You just hit the nail on the head, right there. Ruining another American institution, intentionally.


20 posted on 07/17/2012 8:49:50 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: scottjewell

Good related news:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2907528/posts


21 posted on 07/17/2012 8:53:27 AM PDT by upchuck ("Definition of 'racist:' someone that is winning an argument with a liberal." ~ Peter Brimelow)
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To: scottjewell

It is a free country let them start their own groups and see how many parents let their kids join


22 posted on 07/17/2012 8:53:50 AM PDT by uncbob
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To: scottjewell

The Catholic Church has had to pay about one billion dollars to compensate children who were victimized by church-provided “authority figures”.

So maybe it is time for the adult leaders of the Boy Scouts of America to tell all the “Progressives”, who think that sexual deviants somehow “deserve” to have free and easy access to innocent young boys, to either “put up” or “shut up”.

By “put up” I mean that — before approval of that policy-change is even discussed — the change-seeking “Progressives” must legally agree to indemnify the Boy Scouts of America from the costs of any sex-abuse-related compensatory judgments that result from that policy-change. IMHO, such indemnities need to be PERSONAL obligations and such indemnities need to be “joint-and-several”.

Then, if the policy-change is made and some poor boy is molested by a deviant scout leader, and if compensatory damages of, say, $10MM are awarded to that child, the end result would be that Mr. Tyrell, as a joint and several indemnitor, would have to write a personal check — up to full value of the $10MM judgment to indemnify the Boy Scouts for their financial loss.

Mr. Tyrell would have to pay his “share” of a second judgment — and a third judgment and so on.

Why should the Boy Scouts of America be driven into bankruptcy by the costs of the policy-change that Mr. Tyrell is so vigorously promoting?

So, let’s see how quickly Mr. Tyrell is able to turn his “petition” into a “Joint-and-Several Contract to Indemnify the Boy Scouts of America”.

If Mr. Tyrell can sign up enough wealthy people to actually PAY a liability of one billion dollars, then the discussion can proceed.

If not, then Mr. Tyrell should just “shut up”....


23 posted on 07/17/2012 8:59:19 AM PDT by pfony1
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; wisconsinconservative; AFPhys; ...

Scout Ping


24 posted on 07/17/2012 9:02:23 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: scottjewell

Why dont these fags and Queers start their own scout group?


25 posted on 07/17/2012 9:21:04 AM PDT by bikerman (Obama lied,economy died.)
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To: bikerman

“Why dont these fags and Queers start their own scout group?”

I suspect at least one attempt has been made to do so and it probably failed for the obvious reasons.


26 posted on 07/17/2012 9:29:16 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: SZonian

Years ago, the subject came up among some of the senior scouts about what would make a good adult version of the Scout rules, and one kid came up with the fictionalized version of Robert Robers’ 28 Rules of Ranging, from the novel Northwest Passage. We agreed that it made much sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Rogers%27_28_%22Rules_of_Ranging%22#Fictional_version


27 posted on 07/17/2012 9:53:51 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: sickoflibs

That’s the only sane fix to this contrived problem, but as you mention, don’t expect the Ds or R’s to speak up.


28 posted on 07/17/2012 9:57:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: NFHale

Agreed...


29 posted on 07/17/2012 9:58:07 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: SZonian

corruptio optimi pessima (The corruption of the best is the worst)

The homo lobby* isn’t interested in scouting. They’re interested in destroying scouting.

*If there is a `vast right wing conspiracy, there must be a
left wing conspiracy, and the homosexual lobby is a part.


30 posted on 07/17/2012 10:23:26 AM PDT by tumblindice (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: SZonian

Went just last week (week 5). It was interesting because the place got rained on just at dusk, and they weren’t ready for it.

One of my parents had independently asked our ranger to H2O proof her tent, so as soon as the rain began he showed up with Duct tape and began repairs for the whole camp (Oceanside - farthest up the valley). This service wan’t provided for the other sites, and lots of pissing and moaning by SM’s ensued ;-) The poor troops out at War Canoe really had a bad time. They had to walk back in the rain, and their gear was soaked!

We did a tent check as soon as it started raining, and as our campers started returning to camp and it looked like we were one short, so I got to walk all the way down to the office to get a search started... I was in the middle of this little exercise (and admittedly scared to death inside) when two of my adults showed up and told me the boy was fine! He had been in a tent playing cards and hadn’t answered to his name being called! Otherwise, we came through that with flying colors.

The food is marginal - but that isn’t why you go there!

Most of the boys had a great time. I had a very young SPL who was being to much the martinet, and thus he got lots of negative feedback, i.e. I could do the job better than you. I’ve been trying to get him to tone it down all week, but he just didn’t have the skills yet (Even though he served as NYLT staff this year). He was ready to quit! My son ( an Eagle just a year ago, and 19 now) helped talk him down a couple of times. When we got back I found some good articles on “Servant Leaders” and also about “herding cats” that I sent him. He seems to get it - but he is going to have to figure out a new style. Such is the trials and tribulations of being an SM ;-)

How was your experience there?


31 posted on 07/17/2012 11:01:44 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: fremont_steve

Ours was good, my first time. Cloudy for most of the week, helped keep the temps down, but the waterfront cold. Just a light sprinkle once, nothing major, but those tents worried me.

We were at Big Sur, last site on the left as you went up towards the last sites. Tents were in terrible shape. I had the “Frankenstein” tent, terrible “repair” jobs.

You’re right about the food, nothing to write home about, then again, I haven’t seen too many camps that do. ;^)

Our SPL, young as well, was the exact opposite of yours. Could hardly get him to do his job. Doing his own thing when not attending classes, not attending to his duties. Forgetful, not prepared with notepaper, etc. during the SPL meeting, etc. He made his job tougher than it needed to be. The ASPL was doing all he could to cover for the SPL. Good kids, just need to keep reminding myself that they’re 14, not 40+.

War Canoe was ok, really enjoyed the snorkeling. Lots of wildlife, seals swimming around us, lobster, fish of various kinds, rays, etc. I didn’t like that logistics was a bit lacking to support meal prep, cook, clean-up. CRAPPY charcoal, had to ensure the entire briquet was lit up before you moved it off the pile. We got sand bagged by it because one of our adults was so used to using Kingsford. Took twice as long to cook the meal.

The dive outfit there was ok, one of the boys going out on on Discover SCUBA had a bit of a time with his tank constantly sliding out of its harness and mask leaking. They didn’t replace his harness or mask which didn’t build his confidence in the equipment at all during the in water training. He bailed out and no refund or discount given.

Too much to tell, but all in all, not a bad trip. The Staff were excellent, especially the Field Sports folks on the ranges. Extremely patient. All the boys completed their MB’s and were praising EB during Rose, Bud, Thorn.

And a shoutout to Gene, one of the adult volunteers who was kept busy at the adult coffee bar. Did a great job keeping it going and making good coffee.


32 posted on 07/17/2012 1:17:02 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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Thaks sickoflibs.


33 posted on 07/17/2012 3:07:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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