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Video: Security Camera Captures Man Shooting Robbers(FL)
gundigest.com ^ | 17 July, 2012 | Ben Sobieck

Posted on 07/17/2012 12:21:07 PM PDT by marktwain

This incredible video from Gainesville.com shows a concealed carrier defending himself and the patrons of an Internet cafe against a pair of armed robbers. What would you have done in this situation? Do you think he reacted appropriately?

(Excerpt) Read more at gundigest.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; defense; fl; robber
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Video of the actual combat at the link. Riveting.
1 posted on 07/17/2012 12:21:11 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

A .380 just isn’t enough!


2 posted on 07/17/2012 12:23:03 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: marktwain

A .380 just isn’t enough!


3 posted on 07/17/2012 12:23:03 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: marktwain

9mm would have been better.


4 posted on 07/17/2012 12:24:43 PM PDT by DonkeyBonker (Is it November yet?)
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To: marktwain

Grandpa did GREAT!!!!

First and foremost, he brought a gun to a gunfight.

The “nothing smaller than a 4 crowd (self included) may complain, but he had a gun, he could shoot it (and apparently hit), and frankly pistol calibers are notoriously bad fight stoppers.

Grandpa SHEEPDOG did some things that gave him and edge though (with age, wisdom...).

Back to the wall behind a computer on the end of a row.

Good view of the door with concealment at least.

Waited till zippy the hoody was within good pistol range but looking away (only real close call was as zippy was swinging his jammies around).

Moved after the draw (gun was out) in a straight line

got low as zippy was swinging back.

Most telling to this armchair observer.....

HE KEPT MOVING TO THE FIGHT. He stayed engaged until the threat was no longer a threat. Technique discussions aside, he won the fight by being the better MAN!

Back to the arm chair

Gotta love that prepared man!


5 posted on 07/17/2012 12:27:05 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Don't" read 'HOPE' by L Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman...it will bring tears to eyes. BORE!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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6 posted on 07/17/2012 12:27:53 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: marktwain

Darn shame he was arrested. He’s out on bail. Good community service should be rewarded!


7 posted on 07/17/2012 12:34:33 PM PDT by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: marktwain

The only thing he did wrong is he didn’t kill them. Took enough shots but missed. He should hit the range.


8 posted on 07/17/2012 12:35:00 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: DonkeyBonker

.45-—two hosts and it’s over for the robbers, who appeared to be Holder’s people, BTW.


9 posted on 07/17/2012 12:38:39 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH

A shame, but not surprising - he was shooting after they were retreating. CCW 101 is you shoot to stop the threat, and as they were falling over one another to get away the threat had already been stopped. Hopefully that decision doesn’t bankrupt him.


10 posted on 07/17/2012 12:39:01 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: marktwain

Combat? Dunno ‘bout that. All I saw was a great American defending himself and his fellow citizens from some garbage. Well done, and great shootin’!!!


11 posted on 07/17/2012 12:40:11 PM PDT by javi1082
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To: mvpel; All

CCW 101 is you shoot to stop the threat, and as they were falling over one another to get away the threat had already been stopped.

At least one had a gun. The fact that he was moving away in no way removes the threat until he is out of range.


12 posted on 07/17/2012 12:45:06 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: mvpel; waterhill; mylife; ixtl
A shame, but not surprising - he was shooting after they were retreating. CCW 101 is you shoot to stop the threat, and as they were falling over one another to get away the threat had already been stopped. Hopefully that decision doesn’t bankrupt him.

+1. Easy to say, but probably harder to do when your adrenaline is pumping.

Anybody know what state this was in? I would no-bill him if I were on the jury.

Must see video (((ping))).

13 posted on 07/17/2012 12:45:24 PM PDT by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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To: mvpel

Hope you’re right about not bankrupting him. Maybe he shouldn’t have fired at them after they started to run, but under stress who knows what a person would do?


14 posted on 07/17/2012 12:45:31 PM PDT by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Liberalism is a mental disease.)
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To: Timber Rattler

“hosts” = “shots.” Long day.


15 posted on 07/17/2012 12:45:38 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I watched this guy - 80 years old. Watch his moves, his form, very agile for 80. My guess is a vet... maybe Korea?


16 posted on 07/17/2012 12:50:12 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: DonkeyBonker

.380 Auto vs 9MM For Defense
http://www.gunsandammo.com/2011/05/26/video-380-auto-vs-9mm-for-defense/

I prefer .40 caliber or higher.


17 posted on 07/17/2012 12:51:51 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: mvpel

“A shame, but not surprising - he was shooting after they were retreating. CCW 101 is you shoot to stop the threat, and as they were falling over one another to get away the threat had already been stopped. Hopefully that decision doesn’t bankrupt him.”

So you are all for letting criminal get away to victimize others another day?


18 posted on 07/17/2012 12:55:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

You fight the fight with what you have at the time.

The .380 is probably nicely concealable and fits his hand well.

And, it’s what he had...


19 posted on 07/17/2012 12:59:11 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: marktwain

To stop shooting as they retreated would be inviting a “parting shot”.

I’m afraid for this good citizen’s future. The number of crimes he will be responsible for having prevented will grow forever. Message to bad guys: you never know who has a gun and will use it.

I wish I could serve on any juries judging him.


20 posted on 07/17/2012 1:00:57 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: marktwain; All

LOL He really made them scramble!
So funny when one fell out the door and another one ran over him.
Were they Holder’s people?
Couldn’t see much because of the hoodies and masks, but the hands looked like they were.


21 posted on 07/17/2012 1:06:38 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: New Jersey Realist
Took enough shots but missed.

Wrong! He HIT...three times. Here is an excerpt from the news story.

Dawkins had a superficial wound in his left arm, but Henderson was shot in two places: his left buttock and his right hip.

22 posted on 07/17/2012 1:08:39 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Choom Gang Guy Cracks Down On Medical Marijuana)
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH

Point. Were the perpetrators still in possession of their arms? If so, would they not still pose a threat, in spite of the fact that they were in retreat?.


23 posted on 07/17/2012 1:11:25 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
CCW 101 is you shoot to stop the threat, and as they were falling over one another to get away the threat had already been stopped.

That's true. If you go chasing the perps, at least here in the Peoples Rep of CT, the cops now consider YOU the threat. It sucks and the laws are most certainly written for the bad guys, but that's the law here.

So you are all for letting criminal get away to victimize others another day?

At what point would you break off the pursuit and let the police or courts take over? In this case, the guy didn't leave the scene and give chase so I would think he'll be ok.

Even in the best of circumstances, in the most righteous of shoots, you can expect to lose your life savings clearing your name.

24 posted on 07/17/2012 1:11:29 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: marktwain

That old fart did very well.

I wouldn’t have taken that last shot out the door, but as long as that POS was in the building-in control of a gun that he had already pointed at innocent folks, the gun fight was still on.

That old man saved innocent lives by his actions.

Too bad the bad guys aren’t dead.


25 posted on 07/17/2012 1:11:57 PM PDT by Gator113 (***YOU GAVE it to Obama. I would have voted for NEWT.~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: marktwain

Let’s keep an eye on what happens to this fine old fellow and make a collection if he has any legal troubles.

Personally, I would like to buy him a beer... or a whole keg...


26 posted on 07/17/2012 1:12:15 PM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: Timber Rattler
More info here:

Strip mall casino patron shoots would-be robbers multiple times

"Investigators said Smith struck DuWayne Henderson, 19, of Ocala three times, twice in the buttocks and once in the arm. Davis Dawkins, 19, was struck in the upper chest."

27 posted on 07/17/2012 1:14:47 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: patriot08
Here is more from the news story in which one of the robbers WHINES about being thwarted in their attempt:

"I feel horrible. It doesn't feel good. It makes you think about life's decisions, and how you should live your life," Henderson said in an interview with the Star-Banner at the jail on Saturday afternoon.

Hours after his release from the hospital, Henderson, who talked about the pain he feels in his buttock and hip, said the plan was to "barge in, get the money and leave." He said "he never expected anyone to be armed."

"The gun was broken and rusty and wasn't loaded. Nobody was going to get hurt," he said, standing with crutches.

28 posted on 07/17/2012 1:14:52 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (Choom Gang Guy Cracks Down On Medical Marijuana)
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To: marktwain

for later


29 posted on 07/17/2012 1:15:12 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama - The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance)
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To: petro45acp
HE KEPT MOVING TO THE FIGHT. He stayed engaged until the threat was no longer a threat. Technique discussions aside, he won the fight by being the better MAN!

Good analysis.

30 posted on 07/17/2012 1:19:18 PM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: ltc8k6
I'm sure gentleman who fought back will be upgrading the caliber of his weapon shortly.

I think what would be fun to do is convert a Glock to .50 GI.



You can get the conversion for about $600 from this company for the Glock 20/21.

More on the .50 GI round here.
31 posted on 07/17/2012 1:29:05 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Bon mots

They released one of these vermin already!

I can’t believe it.

“Henderson remained in the Marion County Jail late Monday in lieu of a $31,000 bond. Dawkins was released Sunday after posting an $11,000 bond.”


32 posted on 07/17/2012 1:29:31 PM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: Envisioning; SWAMPSNIPER
Anybody know what state this was in? I would no-bill him if I were on the jury.

Florida. Gainsville.com and Ocala.com? The Villages retirement community is between those cities.

33 posted on 07/17/2012 1:31:46 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Envisioning

Ocala, Florida.
State Road 200 just West of I-75
http://www.ocala.com/article/20120713/ARTICLES/120719846

Henderson said he had a rusty unloaded gun. “STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES”
Hours after his release from the hospital, Henderson, who talked about the pain he feels in his buttock and hip, said the plan was to “barge in, get the money and leave.” He said “he never expected anyone to be armed.”
Henderson and others take note: this is FLORIDA, sometime it maybe a 75YO gray haired lady! Like my SIL, who lives in Ocala.


34 posted on 07/17/2012 1:34:39 PM PDT by GOYAKLA (Recall/ Impeachment Day, November 6, 2012. FUBO, same for RINOs)
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To: marktwain; petro45acp

Excellent.
At 32 seconds in the video you see him (Good guy-GG) rolling his chair out and at 33 you can see his gun is already drawn
At 34-35 seconds he is rapidly approaching the Bad Guy (BG1) initial from behind, BG1 spins and sees him coming with drawn gun and BG1 starts moving and a shot is fired.
At 36 seconds BG1 is sprinting and lady by stander is now covering ears (obviously 1st shot has already taken place)
At 37-38 seconds you see him take another shot at BG1 (now off camera) or possibly BG2 standing in the corner
At 39-40 a new angle as BG1 is falling (shot in hip/leg?) Notice our GG had clear field of fire...no one behind BG1 or BG2 at this point. BG2 is in corner and follows BG1.
At 42 you see GG coming into camera view following BGs with gun at ready
At 43 you see him take a shot with a second at 44.
Camera angle swithes and you see these last two shots again in the door way.
Way to go good guy!


35 posted on 07/17/2012 1:35:23 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: marktwain

Great video!!


36 posted on 07/17/2012 1:37:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: PJ-Comix

“”The gun was broken and rusty and wasn’t loaded. Nobody was going to get hurt,” he said, standing with crutches.”

It’s still armed robbery. And, just as an aside, if you make people *think* you have a gun, you’d better *have* a gun.


37 posted on 07/17/2012 1:38:36 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: marktwain

That is excellent!


38 posted on 07/17/2012 1:39:26 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
A .380 just isn’t enough!

A head shot or a throat shot would have done the trick.

39 posted on 07/17/2012 1:40:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: marktwain
10mm. Hornady 180gr XTP. 15 rounds.

There wouldn't be an arrest report. Just a coroners receipt.

40 posted on 07/17/2012 1:42:59 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Gator113

“I wouldn’t have taken that last shot out the door”

I would. Watch seconds 43 and 44 of the video...the first view of his final shots. He did not over pursue. Nor was he firing indiscriminately. The bad guy still had a gun on the ground in the doorway, the last shot was taken as the bad guy was rolling over and getting up...(which way is he going to go if the last shot is not fired and our good guy stopped back at the counter?)...I don’t know and neither did our good guy...he made sure with that final shot that the BG kept going in the right direction!


41 posted on 07/17/2012 1:45:33 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: Dead Corpse

Both the good guy and bad guy are moving...bad guys at full speed falling down...

Not sure caliber would have made any difference. Very few people get to practice moving shots, particularly when both parties are moving, adrenaline pumping etc. It is hard to hit someone. He got one in the arm, and the other twice near center of mass (leg & hip). a 10mm hitting arm, leg and hip would not necessarily be fatal depending on angle of entry.

Our good guy was controlled throughout...amazing!!!


42 posted on 07/17/2012 1:49:41 PM PDT by An American! (Proud To Be An American!)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

People preach “shot placement” for a reason. For people like me, some times a bigger hole in the perp can compensate for variance in my shooting ability.


43 posted on 07/17/2012 1:50:13 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: mvpel

Have to disagree with you: even though the perps were “retreating”, they were still a threat while they were able to turn and shoot. As far as anyone could assume, both crooks were armed and meant to kill. If they recovered their nerves and turned back, the victims would have been placed in danger again.. The lesson I learned in Vietnam was to keep shooting until they’re down, then keep shooting to make sure they stay down, forever. Ammo is cheap and life isn’t.


44 posted on 07/17/2012 1:52:16 PM PDT by Chainmail (Warfare is too serious to be left to the amateurs)
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To: marktwain

bfl


45 posted on 07/17/2012 1:57:39 PM PDT by crosshairs
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To: An American!
At 32 seconds in the video you see him (Good guy-GG) rolling his chair out and at 33 you can see his gun is already drawn

Looking very closely, I believe the shooter had to rack the pistol and chambered a round just prior to firing.

In other words, his gun did not appear to be locked and loaded.

No fanny pack, shirt tucked in wearing shorts. Appears he had the pistol in his pocket. Just guessing.

46 posted on 07/17/2012 1:57:54 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: PJ-Comix

“”The gun was broken and rusty and wasn’t loaded. Nobody was going to get hurt,” he said, standing with crutches. “

How was anyone supposed to know that? Thugs should make that announcement right up front so the people can just beat the crap out of them instead of shooting!


47 posted on 07/17/2012 1:59:27 PM PDT by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marylin vos Savant)
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To: An American!
Not trying to diminish the duffers efforts in the least. He did an outstanding service to those around him.

And yeah... You catch a magnum class pistol round on a major body part and you are going to have serious issues to deal with. Shoulder shot a feral hog with my 10mm once... I know exactly the kind of damage it can inflict. Didn't ruin the bacon, but it was DRT just the same.

48 posted on 07/17/2012 1:59:37 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: lwd

bookmark


49 posted on 07/17/2012 2:15:17 PM PDT by lwd
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To: Dead Corpse
That ol' fellow did quite fine for a small cal pocket gun. Something tells me he wouldn't have done so good with a 10mm. There's a bit more muzzle rise than a .380 gives!

Tactically, he ran the fight on his terms. Excellent work. Definitely a Vet.

50 posted on 07/17/2012 2:22:20 PM PDT by paulcissa (The first requirement of Liberalism is to stand on your head and tell the world they're upside down)
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