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Strip mall casino patron shoots would-be robbers multiple times
wftv ^ | 7-16-12

Posted on 07/17/2012 1:02:25 PM PDT by TurboZamboni

MARION COUNTY, Fla. — An elderly patron at a strip mall casino in Marion County shot two men who attempted to rob the place, according to the Marion County Sheriff's Office.

According to investigators, two men burst into the Palms Internet Cafe on State Road 200 in Ocala on Friday afternoon.

A sheriff's report said that one of the men was carrying a baseball bat, the other had a gun.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; carry; casino; duwaynehenderson; elderly; fl; florida; marioncounty; napl; palmsinternetcafe; patron; robbery; samuelwilliams; skittles
After one of the men yelled, telling the patrons not to move, the video shows patron Samuel Williams approach the armed suspect and start shooting.

Investigators said Smith struck DuWayne Henderson, 19, of Ocala three times, twice in the buttocks and once in the arm. Davis Dawkins, 19, was struck in the upper chest.

The men then fled the building, leaving a trail of blood behind.

if Obama had more sons...

1 posted on 07/17/2012 1:02:34 PM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

story sounds familiar


2 posted on 07/17/2012 1:03:52 PM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: TurboZamboni
VIDEO
3 posted on 07/17/2012 1:08:31 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: TurboZamboni; MeekOneGOP; Conspiracy Guy; DocRock; King Prout; Darksheare; OSHA; martin_fierro; ...
"...and stay off my lawn!"


4 posted on 07/17/2012 1:23:06 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: TurboZamboni
This one ended well, but Williams was lucky.

He fired at one of the perpetrators while an innocent bystander was standing right behind or near the perp. It was at close range, so there was slightly less risk. But, he put the other patron in additional danger.

Williams also continued to shoot at the perps as they ran, even after they got out the first door onto the street (or sidewalk?). Had one of those shots been fatal, an overzealous prosecutor could have argued that it was unnecessary.

5 posted on 07/17/2012 1:23:36 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: TurboZamboni

It seems to me that Mr. Williams needs a larger caliber gun and some range time.


6 posted on 07/17/2012 1:28:37 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: TurboZamboni

This morning it was an Internet Cafe, now its a casino??


7 posted on 07/17/2012 1:37:06 PM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: Gettin Betta

Video slots. I tried to clear this up in another thread. They’re not good things. They attract the same crime that a casino would, but unlike a legitimate casino in states that the allow them, they don’t have to provide near the same level of security.


8 posted on 07/17/2012 1:44:15 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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To: justlurking

Prefer to think of Williams as prepared.

He brought a gun to a gunfight,

He moved deliberately from a good covered position, staying in the fight until the threat was no longer a threat (can’t see from the last view in the video if zippy the hoodie was maybe trying to get back to a dropped gun).

The video shows four shots....
Four shots, four slugs in meat.

Looks like Mr. Williams was not only prepared, but the better MAN.

Hope he can weather the coming legal storm. Every round fired has a lawyer attached to it....fortunately that doesn’t obstruct one’s front sight!

God’s speed Mr. Williams.


9 posted on 07/17/2012 1:45:17 PM PDT by petro45acp ("Don't" read 'HOPE' by L Neil Smith and Aaron Zelman...it will bring tears to eyes. BORE!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: bandleader
Mr. Williams did great. This isn't the movies where someone suffers a single gunshot wound and drops dead in 2 seconds. As to caliber, most people don't carry .44 magnums. And shooting people who are running, falling, and flopping around on the ground isn't as easy as shooting paper targets.

Good shoot, though I hope the perp Williams popped through the door is the one who had the handgun. If there is an affirmative action prosecutor like the one persecuting George Zimmerman in Gainseville, Williams' actions will be scrutinized.

10 posted on 07/17/2012 1:45:24 PM PDT by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: TurboZamboni
DuWayne Henderson,"

DuWayne?....Hmmmmm

11 posted on 07/17/2012 1:46:07 PM PDT by beenaround
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To: bandleader
My exact sentiments. I have a conceal carry permit and I have been thinking about going to a small lightweight 380 instead of a 9mm. This video has made me question my original plans. I think I am going to go up to a 45 instead.
12 posted on 07/17/2012 1:47:46 PM PDT by martinidon
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To: justlurking

Dude, it was the two crazy black robbers who put the patrons in danger. I’m guessing you would have kept everyone safe by not poking out your head?


13 posted on 07/17/2012 1:49:05 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: martinidon
Get a Glock 20 or 21 and upgrade it to .50 GI.


14 posted on 07/17/2012 1:51:27 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: TurboZamboni
Wow, after reading the article it states the guy that was carrying the bat has bonded out of jail! How can that be? How can a guy who was participating in an armed robbery be bonded out of jail?
15 posted on 07/17/2012 1:52:49 PM PDT by martinidon
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To: martinidon

Caliber:
It’s a little scary seeing so little effect. On the one hand, his gun was too small, on the other, he was carrying it.

Taking action:
I’m afraid that I would probably wait until some innocent person was hurt before taking action. The legal risk is just too great. Shoot before they shoot, and you are shooting skittles eating child. Wait for them to kill an innocent, and you are killing a killer. Sucks.


16 posted on 07/17/2012 1:55:56 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: TurboZamboni

Well, once they were running away there was no need to keep shooting and he MAY get into trouble with a jury about that- but not if I was sitting on it


17 posted on 07/17/2012 1:57:15 PM PDT by Mr. K (fat-fingers+small laptop keyboard+bad eyesight=many typos)
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To: Born to Conserve

It was two crazy black robbers? What race is the old guy who shot them? Is this going to be Trayvon all over again? It is FL, right?


18 posted on 07/17/2012 2:00:24 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: Slings and Arrows

With all the bees in my yard I don't have to worry.

19 posted on 07/17/2012 2:10:41 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Dragons don't have friends. The nearest they can get to the idea is an enemy who is still alive.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

Fire ants help too.


20 posted on 07/17/2012 2:17:28 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Born to Conserve
Dude, it was the two crazy black robbers who put the patrons in danger.

Yup, they did. But, Williams escalated it. Whether it was warranted is a matter of opinion.

There's no sound, so we can't tell what was said. Williams said that he was afraid they would start shooting. I don't know what caused that concern, at the moment he acted, the perpetrator wasn't even pointing the gun at anyone. However, at the moment of his first shot, the perpetrator had just turned to look at Williams and was pointing the gun in his direction.

I’m guessing you would have kept everyone safe by not poking out your head?

I wouldn't have shot first with an innocent bystander near or behind the perp.

And, I wouldn't have shot first when there was a potentially armed accomplice, obstructed by two other innocent bystanders.

21 posted on 07/17/2012 2:19:56 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Wow, that .50 could do some damage. I bet those thugs would not be running after being hit with that! I am not sure if I could conceal that one very well.......
22 posted on 07/17/2012 2:22:01 PM PDT by martinidon
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To: TurboZamboni
Mr Williams may very well have saved some lives here...Who knows if these wild Negros would have ended up killing someone. They went for an easy score and lost...it is to bad they aren't laying out dead in the local morgue.
23 posted on 07/17/2012 2:22:35 PM PDT by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: Timber Rattler

If The Punisher had a grandpa...


24 posted on 07/17/2012 2:23:23 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: petro45acp
He moved deliberately from a good covered position, staying in the fight until the threat was no longer a threat (can’t see from the last view in the video if zippy the hoodie was maybe trying to get back to a dropped gun).

Actually, Williams stood up from a seated position directly into the line of fire. He was already exposed, but made it worse.

Four shots, four slugs in meat.

Yes, he did well in that respect. But, an anti-gun DA could make the case that the last two shots (through the open door) were unnecessary. I wouldn't fault him for it, but I'm not running for public office.

25 posted on 07/17/2012 2:25:16 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: BushMeister
Good shoot, though I hope the perp Williams popped through the door is the one who had the handgun.

The one that fell to the floor and crawled out the door was the perp with the handgun. Given the angle that Williams was shooting, it could have only been the one on the floor.

If there is an affirmative action prosecutor like the one persecuting George Zimmerman in Gainseville, Williams' actions will be scrutinized.

That's exactly my point. It looks like the perp was crawling away on the ground, and Williams shot him in the butt through the open door. Regardless of whether you consider that right or wrong, it subjects Williams to unwanted scrutiny.

26 posted on 07/17/2012 2:32:08 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking
Yup, they did. But, Williams escalated it. Whether it was warranted is a matter of opinion.

Williams didn't "escalate it". Williams brought to an end an attempted armed robbery. If you don't believe that Williams' actions were warranted, then you'll probably find yourself among a small minority who share your opinion.

27 posted on 07/17/2012 2:38:49 PM PDT by Isabel C.
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To: midway1

Some prosecutor will find a chick to claim gramps molested them and MSNBC will broadcast his address.


28 posted on 07/17/2012 2:41:26 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Isabel C.
If you don't believe that Williams' actions were warranted, then you'll probably find yourself among a small minority who share your opinion.

Everyone's entitled an opinion, including me.

Williams said that he thought the robbers would start shooting. The news article doesn't say why he thought that. However, I saw nothing on that video that indicated that the one perp with a gun was threatening to shoot anyone. When confronted by Williams, he ran like a rabbit.

Yes, Williams deserves credit for stopping a robbery. But, in doing so, he fired a shot at the perp while one, and possibly two other innocent bystanders were in his field of fire. And two patrons were also between him and a possibly armed accomplice.

It all ended well, at least for now. Hopefully, an anti-gun DA doesn't decide to harass Williams for continuing to shoot after the perps had fled the premises. I don't know if FL law allows the use of deadly force against a fleeing felon.

But, it could have very easily all gone bad, and Williams would have been blamed (rightly or wrongly) for escalating the confrontation. As someone else posted... it's really is a difficult choice: if you act preemptively, you risk making the situation worse. But, the only way you can be sure is to wait until the perp actually shoots someone.

29 posted on 07/17/2012 2:51:56 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking

It really sucks when the good guys have to think about lawsuits and lawyers when bad people are threatening them with bodily harm.


30 posted on 07/17/2012 2:53:26 PM PDT by Osage Orange (8675309)
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To: Osage Orange
It really sucks when the good guys have to think about lawsuits and lawyers when bad people are threatening them with bodily harm.

Yeah, it does. But, that's why every self-defense class I've taken points out that you put your entire net worth on the line if you pull the trigger.

You have to decide if you, or someone you love is really at risk, and act accordingly. Sometimes, that means not acting at all.

31 posted on 07/17/2012 2:58:58 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking
I play those mind games all the time.

I ask myself..."Is this the hill you want to die on?" fairly often.

But it's not all cut and dried sometimes..............

32 posted on 07/17/2012 3:04:21 PM PDT by Osage Orange (8675309)
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To: TurboZamboni

Isn’t this the story we had yesterday?

Typical idiot writer apparently. Calls it a casino and then refers to the Palms Internet Cafe....


33 posted on 07/17/2012 3:22:03 PM PDT by Bigg Red (Pray for our republic.)
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To: Born to Conserve
Wait for them to kill an innocent, and you are killing a killer.

I'm going to wait until they get me into a position where I'm can't pull my gun without them seeing me, let them herd me and the others into a back room, make us all lie on the floor, then allow myself to be shot in the back of the head. /S

34 posted on 07/17/2012 4:00:53 PM PDT by Stentor (Former free citizen of the US. Currently subject of the same.)
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To: martinidon

Walther PPK 380 with MagSafe ammo, or a higher caliber in a small arm with same ammo. It has hollow point, with small shot inside set in a resin. It has the accuracy And the punch with low recoil— deadly really.

Example: .45 ACP SUPER SWAT load, clocks at 2,160 + feet per second (fps) in a five-inch autoloader - yet has about one-third the recoil.

Example 2: The 9mm Mini-Glock Load cruises along at about 2,000 fps from Glock’s small Model 26, yet has far more stopping ability than the nastiest .357 magnum or 10mm hollowpoint in the world. Yet the recoil is about like shooting low-powered target loads.

If you need, put a handgrip squeeze laser on it. Point and click— boom, and much reduced “collateral” damage to others. As in all cases, if you are going to shoot, then you are not shooting to “nick”. website is magsafeonline.com and check out the gel patterns.

Not a salesperson for them. Pretty amazing invention for concealed carry and close in system. May go to the shorty .45 semi-auto or 9 mm since that data is out.


35 posted on 07/17/2012 4:12:01 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Born to Conserve
Wait for them to kill an innocent, and you are killing a killer.

If you could live with the knowledge that an innocent was dead that you might possibly have saved if you acted sooner, then you are hardly the sort of person who others should consult for "advice"...

36 posted on 07/17/2012 5:59:50 PM PDT by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (Hwaet! Lar bith maest hord, sothlice!)
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To: justlurking
you state:

Williams said that he thought the robbers would start shooting.

that satisfies the requirement to be in fear of imminent death or bodily harm - the only standard he needs to meet to utilize deadly force

I watched the video...at no time is a bystander inside the cafe in the line of fire...you are nitpicking...when I worked the street I would have taken the same first shots that Williams' did...the woman is at least two feet out of the line of fire and clearly frozen in position.

oh, and Williams doesn't fire until the thug has painted half the cafe with the muzzle several times and is swinging back towards Williams. I say he did a fine job of remaining cool and waiting for the thug to be turned away so Williams could draw and fire without being fired upon.

throughout the incident Williams remains in a crouch, advances while firing and appears to utilize double taps...again, it's easy for you to monday morning quarterback...hope you can make the same appropriate choices Williams made if you need to.

regards

37 posted on 07/17/2012 6:16:05 PM PDT by Abundy
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To: John S Mosby
"Example 2: The 9mm Mini-Glock Load cruises along at about 2,000 fps from Glock’s small Model 26, yet has far more stopping ability than the nastiest .357 magnum or 10mm hollowpoint in the world. Yet the recoil is about like shooting low-powered target loads."

I'm no ballistics expert, but I'm callin' BS on this statement. Show me where I am wrong, 'cause you ain't touching a .357 Magnum or 10mm with any 9mm I ever heard of.

38 posted on 07/17/2012 6:30:03 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: Abundy
Look closely at 19 seconds into the video. The shooter appears to actually rack and chamber a round prior to the shoot.

His pistol did not appear to be locked and loaded at the time. He was quick and did a gutsy job.

39 posted on 07/17/2012 6:39:19 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Abundy
the woman is at least two feet out of the line of fire and clearly frozen in position.

Actually, I was referring to the woman in a light shirt and jeans that was behind the perp, and next to the desk. She is out of the view of the camera when Williams started shooting, but then comes out immediately after the perp flees for the door.

it's easy for you to monday morning quarterback...hope you can make the same appropriate choices Williams made if you need to.

If it's easy for me, it's easy for an anti-gun DA running for re-election to do so. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

40 posted on 07/17/2012 7:37:44 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: TurboZamboni

Never show up at a gunfight with a baseball bat.


41 posted on 07/17/2012 7:41:49 PM PDT by Tau Food (Tom Hoefling for President - 2012)
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To: West Texas Chuck
Hey, love the 357 mag and 10mm hollow-- thread was commenting on the adjacent 'collateral' person. Which magsafe purports to reduce potentially.

Goal being to stop someone, as opposed to blowing away (which agree is quite doable with the mag). The concept of the "humane" round-irritating in warfare but PC for civilian use becomes the bread and butter for defense lawyers. Is what it is.

Website with gel patterns and ballistics data: www.magsafeonline.com

In re: 357 Magnum: The Handgun Reloading section of the Speer Reloading Manual Number 13 shows that 7.6 grains of W231 powder will drive their 125 grain bullets to a MV of 1129 fps, and 8.3 grains of W231 will drive the same bullets to a MV of 1168 fps.

For reference you probably know this one: Wound ballistics: http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

www.firearmstactical.com is a great site. Deo Vindice

42 posted on 07/18/2012 7:01:57 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: justlurking
Williams said that he was afraid they would start shooting. I don't know what caused that concern....

Perhaps it was the ARMED ROBBERY!

Next time you feel like bitching about why we tolerate "political correctness," find a mirror!

43 posted on 07/18/2012 7:20:43 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: martinidon
My exact sentiments. I have a conceal carry permit and I have been thinking about going to a small lightweight 380 instead of a 9mm. This video has made me question my original plans. I think I am going to go up to a 45 instead.

Been there, done that.

Feeling like a pack mule got old real fast.

My answer was to upgrade my marksmanship rather than my equipment.

Yeah, things may go sideways in a real life scenario, but it won't be because I made an excuse for not carrying that day.

44 posted on 07/18/2012 7:31:16 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Mr. K
Well, once they were running away there was no need to keep shooting and he MAY get into trouble with a jury about that- but not if I was sitting on it

I believe the "neutralize the threat" doctrine is pretty defensible in any but the most aggressively anti-gun states.

45 posted on 07/18/2012 7:38:20 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: justlurking

BTW...you might want to update your tagline.


46 posted on 07/18/2012 8:19:06 AM PDT by papertyger ("And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if..."))
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To: Mr. K

not at all.

through the use of a weapon they had possed a direct threat to him and others. hindsight is 20/20.

it also helps that police are taught to shoot even if the perp drops the gun and run aways for the same “present a threat” to the public issue.


47 posted on 07/18/2012 3:30:15 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: martinidon

Good Choice!One round of .45ACP goes a long way!


48 posted on 07/19/2012 4:07:29 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: BushMeister

He(Williams)didn’t need anything as big as a .44Magnum.He needed at least a 9/19 or a .40S&W.


49 posted on 07/19/2012 4:09:24 PM PDT by bandleader
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