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Guns banned for USFK town patrols after confrontation (South Korea)
Stars & Stripes ^ | July 17, 2012 | Ashley Rowland

Posted on 07/17/2012 2:01:23 PM PDT by Timber Rattler

U.S. troops will no longer carry guns during off-base patrols, following a highly publicized confrontation earlier this month in which South Korean civilians were handcuffed over an illegally parked car outside Osan Air Base.

U.S. Forces Korea spokeswoman Jennifer Buschick said the decision to ban town patrols from carrying sidearms was made Friday evening and implemented at all USFK installations over the weekend. U.S. security forces and military police routinely patrol entertainment districts frequented by troops, usually at night.

The off-base patrols will continue, but the military has “determined that it is pertinent to make an immediate adjustment to off-base community patrols,” a USFK statement said. “We are continuing to review our procedures and evaluate the need for adjustments related to community patrols outside of our USFK installations ... we continue to work closely with and cooperate with the community, business leaders and Korean National Police in the ongoing investigation.”

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USFK commander Gen. James Thurman and 7th Air Force commander Lt. Gen. Jan-Marc Jouas issued apologies and five airmen were suspended from town patrol duties following the July 5 incident, which is being investigated by both the military and South Korean police. The airmen will remain suspended pending the outcome of the investigation.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: guns; korea; military; usaf
So what are they supposed to do if the North Koreans suddenly attack?

Personally, I think it's well past time to get the hell out of South Korea and let the ROKs take care of themselves.

1 posted on 07/17/2012 2:01:30 PM PDT by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

Time to leave. BTW, why are we still in Germany, the Balkans, Afghanistan, etc, etc...


2 posted on 07/17/2012 2:07:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: Timber Rattler

I agree, and pull out of Japan, and Germany. No longer need to be there in my opinion.


3 posted on 07/17/2012 2:07:57 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Recently saw this South Korean, sub-titled flick on Hulu called, “The Man From Nowhere.”
http://www.hulu.com/watch/278635

Wiki on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_from_Nowhere_%28film%29


4 posted on 07/17/2012 2:09:36 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Timber Rattler
U.S. security forces and military police routinely patrol entertainment districts frequented by troops, usually at night.

Yes, yes they do. Barfing on one is not a way to make friends. Good old days.

/johnny

5 posted on 07/17/2012 2:11:03 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Timber Rattler

I think there’s too much happening currently in that area of the World to just pick up, and get the “H” out. We have established bases there in S. Korea, as well a long standing relationship with the people, and their government. We don’t need the expense, nor will we have the convenience of time to start up all over again if something happens with say China, or N. Korea.

Having been an MP in S. Korea many moons ago I wonder what happened to the joint patrols we used to have at night. We used to work with KNP, ROK, and USMP together specifically because of the possibility of such problems with local civilians. They handled their own people, we handled ours.

This shouldn’t have happened.


6 posted on 07/17/2012 2:14:37 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

.........running the Ville!


7 posted on 07/17/2012 2:15:04 PM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: JRandomFreeper

.........running the Ville!


8 posted on 07/17/2012 2:15:04 PM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: Timber Rattler

Keep all military personnel on base and see if the local businesses change the minds of the cops.


9 posted on 07/17/2012 2:15:58 PM PDT by Ecliptic (.)
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To: Timber Rattler

“U.S. troops will no longer carry guns during off-base patrols, following a highly publicized confrontation earlier this month in which South Korean civilians were handcuffed over an illegally parked car outside Osan Air Base.”

Wait so let me get this straight, these troops were doing their jobs since most likely this car illegal parked may have posed a security threat, and now the penalty is a no-carry?! What the hell is going on with people in this world! Where’s the brass on this?!


10 posted on 07/17/2012 2:16:48 PM PDT by InsidiousMongo
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To: Timber Rattler

South Korea can take care of themselves.


11 posted on 07/17/2012 2:20:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: InsidiousMongo

“Where’s the brass on this?!”

No balls...maybe looking for some to borrow?


12 posted on 07/17/2012 2:23:09 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

I liked it.


13 posted on 07/17/2012 2:23:31 PM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: Ecliptic
Keep all military personnel on base and see if the local businesses change the minds of the cops.

If we're an economic crutch, its another good reason to get out. Its not like we can't project power if they need our military help.
14 posted on 07/17/2012 2:28:37 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Timber Rattler
I would simply refuse to obey that order and just get shipped out.

Our military has not been cannon fodder since the Revolutionary and Civil Wars.

Why make them that in 2012?

15 posted on 07/17/2012 2:34:21 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: rockinqsranch

“Having been an MP in S. Korea many moons ago I wonder what happened to the joint patrols we used to have at night.”

I’m guessing but the actual article indicated this was a ‘courtesy patrol’. When I was in SK back in the early 70s, we did run courtesy patrols in the local ville. Only remember one time when we were armed (sort of).

The actual courtesy patrols were to keep the GIs out of trouble in the bars as well as enforce certain guidelines. For example, we had to ensure the drinks were served in paper cups, we had to make sure there was soap in the latrines, etc. We were also required to check whether the ‘business girls’ had their monthly vd checks. Also, had to ensure the bars were playing an appropriate ethnic mix of songs.

The one time we were armed was after the race riot in 74. The division commander decided he would send courtesy patrols into an area which was officially off limits. It was off limits because the black solders had declared it their territory and would assualt any whites entering. Usually, a CP was an officer and an NCO. These patrols also included a US MP who was armed with an unloaded 45 and a loaded clip on his belt. We also were accompanied by a Korean MP who was locked and cocked. The officer and NCO were unarmed.


16 posted on 07/17/2012 2:46:26 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: InsidiousMongo

Where’s the brass on this?!
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From the article: “USFK commander Gen. James Thurman and 7th Air Force commander Lt. Gen. Jan-Marc Jouas issued apologies and five airmen were suspended from town patrol duties following the July 5 incident, which is being investigated by both the military and South Korean police. The airmen will remain suspended pending the outcome of the investigation.”
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It sounds like the order came from the brass.


17 posted on 07/17/2012 2:59:08 PM PDT by SUSSA
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To: Timber Rattler

Next, our troops will each be required to carry a large “Kick Me” sign everywhere they go, especially in places where we are not well liked. Perhaps with a target design, as well.


18 posted on 07/17/2012 3:50:24 PM PDT by Missouri gal
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To: Timber Rattler
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THIS IS AN OUTRAGE !!!! They should at least be armed as well as our Border Patrol agents on the Mexican border....give them bean bags.

19 posted on 07/17/2012 4:47:27 PM PDT by jmax (Ahhhh...life is so frigging good in the obama nation.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Thanks for your response. I was in Uijongbu S.Korea ‘66-’68 as an MP at the 55th with duty at Camp Red Cloud Hq I Corps (Gp).

We patrolled with Korean National Police, and Republic of Korea MP’s when we went on the patrols at night. We too had off limits areas, but at that time they were just off limits to any military as they were pretty rowdy areas that weren’t in compliance with specific agreements we had with Korean National Health, and the community.

It’s amazing the difference a few short years can make as we never gave a thought to what music was being played, and it was up to the locals to keep their places clean, and healthy as they didn’t want to lose the GI business.

We were always armed with loaded 45’s, and really never thought much about the fact. It was part of the uniform.


20 posted on 07/17/2012 8:28:51 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I was at Casey in 73/74. The Courtesy Patrol was a duty roster thing. Usually got it every six weeks or so. CP was my first exposure to political correctness. Our Div Cdr was big on eliminating any appearance of discrimination. All the clubs off post had to play one country western song, one pop song, one black song and one hispanic song in that order. Then they could take a free pick from any of the categories. Of course, the only place this was ignored was in the “all black” club. This club wasn’t formally all black. It’s just that the patrons would beat up any white guy who showed up.

I guess the finest moment was when the CG put out instructions to all CP that they would assist any solder who thought any ‘business girl’ was refusing to provide him ‘business’ because of his race, that the CP was to instruct said ‘business’ girl that such refusal was against US law. I told the OIC for the CP that I would not get involved in the negotiations between a ‘business’ girl and her client. Furthermore, I told him that until he showed me the US law that regulated prostitution in a foreign country, I would consider this instruction to be unlawful and would ignore it. The matter was promptly dropped.


21 posted on 07/18/2012 2:22:28 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Time to leave. BTW, why are we still in Germany, the Balkans, Afghanistan, etc, etc...”

Airbases? Power projection? Logistics?


22 posted on 07/19/2012 2:07:47 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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