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Tea Party Express picks Marco Rubio for VP (Article says Tea Partiers not TPX)
Tampa Bay.com ^ | JULY 18, 2012 | Amy Hollyfield

Posted on 07/18/2012 9:07:28 AM PDT by Perdogg

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To: allmendream

We’re dealing with a bunch of idiots here who cling onto one sentence in Minor to the exclusion of all the other evidence proving their error.

They also did not read the Declaration of Independence wherein it states, “Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.” They want us to believe we disregarded everything English and went with Vattel.

I posted the following in a previous thread but I’d like to repeat it here.

The framers were familiar with English common law and didn’t want to abandon it.

English common law was based upon Christianity, as is our present country, and their entire system of Government was based upon their unique view of natural law being issued directly from Jesus Christ as enforced by the English monarch.

And that in fact is where the phrase “natural born subject” originally came from — it came from a Christian view of natural law. And in that Christian view of natural law (see Romans 13:1) God himself had established a natural order for the world. In that order, kingdoms and authorities were ordained by God himself. Kings derived their power from God and from the natural order that he had set up.

And if you were born under an authority, you had a duty to obey that authority (allegiance) as far as good conscience would allow you to. If the King said taxes were due, as a good citizen, you were to pay your taxes. (“Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, and to God that which is God’s.”)

In that view, all persons born within a kingdom were natural, born subjects of that Kingdom. Christians believe that God and God alone grants citizenship because God and God alone determines who is born where. Madison confirmed that belief when he said: “It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States.”


151 posted on 07/19/2012 3:07:29 PM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: New Jersey Realist

“You’ve just proved that you are delusional!” Rant, rant rant, rant....

lololol

I’m delusional????

And there you go again.....(Reagan)

No one ever claims that Vittel “wrote the Constitution.” He died in Europe years before the Constitution was written.
Besides, ‘Law of Nations’ predates the Constitution by over 30 some odd years... Sigh.

What is said is that the Founders used his book “Natural Law” as a referance work (historical fact), along with other author’s books (Blackstone’s ‘Commentary’), in writting the Constitution. People just point out that NBC is a term taken directly out of “Law of Nations” and that the Founders used it to mean what Vittel said it meant it.

Additonally, the USSC decision in Minor is important because the justice uses wording taken directly from Vittel, and re-afirms that NBC means ‘born in a country to parents that are it’s citizens.’ It’s a matter of language, legal understanding of that language, and just that simple.

Or is it your position that the Founder’s used the exact same term as Vittel, (who just explained the common, since Roman times phrase, and did not coin it) intended it to mean something other than what Vittel had said it meant, and then failed to define their (your?) new, and radically different definition of it?

Who knew? The Founders were shameless plaugerists of a common legal term, and, when using it in writing an important foundation document, setting forth the requirements for the highest office in the land, not only failed to define their ‘new’ term, but failed to tell anyone that they had re-defined this commonly in use term???

Heck Who knew!!!!!!.......Hey Jersey.....lololol....”get real”


152 posted on 07/19/2012 3:16:52 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: New Jersey Realist

“Oh, I see! Congress are a bunch of cowards, and judges are ignorant of the law. But you have it right! I can’t stop laughing so don’t mind this sudden ending.”

I don’t. Glad I could make your day.


153 posted on 07/19/2012 3:17:48 PM PDT by Larry - Moe and Curly (Loose lips sink ships.)
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To: New Jersey Realist

And as to how a view of natural law can change...

Our founders insisted that all men were created equal - that there was no divine right of a “King” to rule in ways that did not recognize the natural rights of man - and that the natural state of man was to have liberty and equality - not to be ruled by some crackpot because of who his father was.

Our ‘positive’ law determines who is to be a citizen at birth according to our best understanding of natural law - sometimes from place (including time of residence), sometimes from parentage, sometimes from a combination of the two.

But what is clear from our Constitution is that there were only THREE types of citizens in our Republic - those that were born as citizens according to our understanding of natural law (sometimes place, sometimes parentage) born with natural allegiance to our nation - those that must be “naturalized” into that state of allegiance through a legal process and declared allegiance - and those who were citizens at the time of the founding.

As the third category is now an anachronism - we now have TWO types of citizens - those that were born with natural allegiance and were citizens at birth - and those who had to be naturalized.


154 posted on 07/19/2012 3:18:15 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Forty-Niner

No, I have only made an in-depth study of Hamilton.


155 posted on 07/19/2012 6:22:36 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: college_kid

Yes, Jackson, like the British West Indies born Alexander Hamilton, was eligible. Both were grandfathered in by this phrase “or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,...”. After the adoption of the constitution neither would have been eligible under the identical scenario.


156 posted on 07/19/2012 6:29:25 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go. Sarah herself supports Romney.)
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To: SharpRightTurn

Tea Party Express did not choose to back Rubio, offer any kind of “endorsement,” or offer to campaign for him in anyway. They only released the results of a survey they conducted, which shows which VP “contenders” were popular among Tea Party Express supporters.


157 posted on 07/19/2012 7:25:49 PM PDT by AlexandraR
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To: Carry_Okie

That doesn’t make any sense. Tea Party Express just released the results of a poll they conducted that surveyed what Tea Partiers think of some of the likely VP nominees. They didn’t endorse Rubio; they are just sharing information. You can read the full release here: http://www.teapartyexpress.org/4852/senator-marco-rubio-tea-party-choice-for-vice-president


158 posted on 07/19/2012 7:26:03 PM PDT by AlexandraR
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Tea Party Express didn’t “pick” Rubio. The press release (http://www.teapartyexpress.org/4852/senator-marco-rubio-tea-party-choice-for-vice-president) is regarding a survey TPX conducted that asked supporters how they would rate all the potential VP candidates. Marco Rubio was the overwhelming favorite, and TPX did not “endorse” him or say they were going to “help” him get there in any way.


159 posted on 07/19/2012 7:26:49 PM PDT by AlexandraR
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To: montag813

I hope you would reconsider this. Tea Party Express did not “choose” or “endorse” Rubio. They simply released the results of a survey they conducted, which asked supporters how they would rate the potential VP candidates. Rubio was the overwhelming favorite, and TPX was just sharing the information.


160 posted on 07/19/2012 7:27:58 PM PDT by AlexandraR
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To: Texas Fossil

They survey asks how you would rank all 27 candidates: “strong,” “okay,” “weak,” or “unsure.” 66% of the “opinions” for Rubio were “strong,” which far surpassed the “strong” ratings of any other candidate. The format of the survey did not ask for your “favorite” candidate.


161 posted on 07/19/2012 7:28:42 PM PDT by AlexandraR
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To: AlexandraR
That doesn’t make any sense.

Putting Rubio on the list of potential preferences means they don't take the Constitutional eligibility requirement seriously.

162 posted on 07/19/2012 7:35:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: AlexandraR

“Tea Party Express did not choose to back Rubio, offer any kind of “endorsement,” or offer to campaign for him in anyway. They only released the results of a survey they conducted, which shows which VP “contenders” were popular among Tea Party Express supporters.”

Thanks, AlexandraR, I’m glad to hear that.


163 posted on 07/19/2012 7:58:21 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Perdogg
It seems hardly anyone read the article, but just believed the sensationalist headline.

From The Tea Party Express:

Senator Marco Rubio – Tea Party Choice for Vice-President

Congressmen Paul Ryan and Allen West Strong Tea Party Favorites

Washington, DC –Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer announced today the results of the nationwide survey of Tea Party Express supporters that showed Florida U.S. Senator Marco Rubio the favorite vice-presidential candidate.

Kremer said, “It is not a big surprise that Marco Rubio is the favorite candidate of the tea party for the vice-presidential nod. He ran as a strong fiscal conservative, and he has delivered with his record in the U.S. Senate for the last two years. The only surprise is that he led the other excellent candidates by such a wide margin.

“The next favorites of the Tea Party Express supporters were Congressman Paul Ryan (R-WI) and Congressman Allen West (R-FL). Both Ryan and West have become extremely popular within the tea party movement because of their strong stands on getting America’s fiscal house in order, which is the number one issue facing our country.”

The Tea Party Express has been surveying their supporters for the last month with a mail-in ballot. Twenty-seven different candidates were on the ballot, and respondents were asked to rate the candidates as “strong,” “ok” or “weak.” Over 8,000 responses have been tabulated.

Rubio was found to be a “strong” candidate by 66.0% of the tea party supporters. Ryan was second at 49.9%, and West was third at 46.8% to round out the top three finishers. The second tier of support was for former Pennsylvania Senator Rick Santorum, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, Congresswoman Michele Bachmann and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker.

Strong support was also shown for former Governor Mike Huckabee, Governor Chris Christie, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, businessman Herman Cain and Senator Rand Paul.

Kremer continued, “What was clear from the results of the survey as well as the many comments we received is that conservatives want to win this election. They are committed to defeating Barack Obama in the race for the White House, taking the gavel out of the hands of Harry Reid in the Senate and adding to our tea party supporters in the House of Representatives.

“All twenty-seven of the candidates were acceptable to the tea party. They just want to make sure we end the big-spending in Washington,” Kremer concluded.

Tea Party Express is the largest tea party political action committee in the nation. The organization aims its activity at reducing the size, cost, and intrusiveness of the federal government by electing pro-growth fiscal conservatives.

Marco Rubio 66.0%
Paul Ryan 49.9%
Allen West 46.8%
Rick Santorum 44.0%
Sarah Palin 41.0%
Michele Bachmann 40.9%
Scott Walker 39.8%
Mike Huckabee 39.1%
Chris Christie 37.9%
Newt Gingrich 34.7%
Herman Cain 34.5%
Rand Paul 31.9%

BTW, I asked the mods to add to the title (Article says Tea Partiers not TPX)

Some writers will do anything to get readership and see if they can pull the wool over people's eyes.

164 posted on 07/19/2012 8:11:39 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Syncro

Something wrong with the Tea Partiers? The following do not belong on anyone’s list for VP...

Mike Huckabee
Rick Santorum
Michele Bachmann
Chris Christie

Mike Huckabee is a pseudo conservative
Rick Santorum is not a conservative
Chris Christie is not a conservative, though I like him...he is good for NJ
Michele Bachmann is in way over her head.

Just my not so humble opinion...and I would pick Pres/VP candidates from the also ran in the list, were it possible to not have Mittens.


165 posted on 07/19/2012 8:29:49 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I could add to that list...

I think that the Tea Party Express wanted to use many possibilities to see how the people they sent the survey to would react to even some impossible choices.

It’s always good to see how absurd some people’s choices would be.

When you think about it, Romney shouldn’t be on the list for President!


166 posted on 07/19/2012 10:08:32 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

I could add to that list...

I think that the Tea Party Express wanted to use many possibilities to see how the people they sent the survey to would react to even some impossible choices.

It’s always good to see how absurd some people’s choices would be.

When you think about it, Romney shouldn’t be on the list for President!


167 posted on 07/19/2012 10:08:51 PM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Syncro

“When you think about it, Romney shouldn’t be on the list for President!”

Too true! Too bad McLame did not pick him for VP candidate 4 years ago...Mittens would not be the candidate today, IMO.


168 posted on 07/20/2012 7:39:36 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: AlexandraR

Thanks for the clarification of the “survey method”.

I think that this is a delibertly deceptive article. They made a statement that implied 66% of the Tea Party Express prefered Rubio. But in fact that was not what the survey said.

The survey was more about perception of strength by candidates.

I restate: I like Dick Armey. I appreciate what he has done for the nation. I do not think Rubio is the best VP candidate.

I don’t like weasle word statements like this article.


169 posted on 07/20/2012 9:29:30 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

No problem! And yes, many of the articles out there on the topic are deceiving. You can read the PR for yourself here: http://www.teapartyexpress.org/4852/senator-marco-rubio-tea-party-choice-for-vice-president

One more thing - Dick Armey is a great guy, but he is with FreedomWorks. The “Dick Armey” of Tea Party Express is Sal Russo.

:)


170 posted on 07/20/2012 3:06:39 PM PDT by AlexandraR
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To: AlexandraR

Thanks for the correction. Knew better, but brain was not engaged.

Tea Party Unified??


171 posted on 07/20/2012 3:22:38 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: AlexandraR

8-2011

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/08/tea-party-mitt-romney-freedomworks-protest-/1

FreedomWorks says it will end its participation in the Tea Party Express’ “Reclaiming America” tour Sunday, when the former Massachusetts governor is scheduled to speak before the group’s rally in Concord, N.H. The group, headed by former House majority leader Dick Armey,

Think my mind was connecting the two because of past associations.


172 posted on 07/20/2012 3:31:19 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Forty-Niner

Ignoramuses are the New Jersey faker and Allspewsdream.


173 posted on 07/27/2012 3:49:35 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel; Forty-Niner
To end this thread with what has been held by the Supreme Court of the United States.

The Supreme Court syllabus for Minor v. Happersett.

The syllabus doubles down and emphasizes the Supreme Court opinion for Minor v. Happersett that states:

“1. The word “citizen ” is often used to convey the idea of membership in a nation.

2. In that sense, women, if born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction of the United States, have always been considered citizens of the United states, as much so before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution as since.”

174 posted on 07/27/2012 5:02:53 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

“Ignoramuses are the New Jersey faker and Allspewsdream.”

you got it!


175 posted on 07/30/2012 11:48:03 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Red Steel

Your input is always welcome.


176 posted on 07/30/2012 12:03:05 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare, berry bear formerly known as..........Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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