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A Simple Question: Is it Possible for a Successful Business Person to be a Socialist?

Posted on 07/18/2012 11:10:31 AM PDT by jda

The Community Organizer-in-Chief's latest evidence of his extreme, left-wing, socialist religion suggest two questions.


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KEYWORDS: conservatism; socialism
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To: Izzy Dunne

What’s leftist about believing in the separation of Business and State?


21 posted on 07/18/2012 11:37:10 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: jda

In answer to your question, two words: George. Soros.


22 posted on 07/18/2012 11:37:22 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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To: jda
Yes, it is possible for a successful business person to be a socialist, IF you take into account the real definition of socialism as being a system where government controls most economic decisions.

Why would a businessman want to be a socialist? Because he thinks that HE will have sufficient control and influence over government to prevent it from adversely affecting HIS business, while using his government contacts to cripple potential competitors.

A planned economy is attractive to someone who sees himself as being one of the planners.

23 posted on 07/18/2012 11:39:26 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: Izzy Dunne; dfwgator
Successful businessmen hate competition

I'd agree with this premise, as well. I never met a businessman who wished there was more competition driving his prices lower.

As an investor, I'd love to put my money in a company that has an unregulated monopoly on a desired product.

Unless you've got a different way of interpreting it?

24 posted on 07/18/2012 11:39:52 AM PDT by wbill
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To: ichabod1

Who in the heck are you talking about?

I responded to a post that said “Successful businessmen hate competition and will do anything to keep it out,”.

I’m successful in the sense that I can provide a good living for my family and I’ve had the doors open for almost 12 years now.

So you think that I will “do anything” to keep out the competition?

Why is your opinion of me so low?


25 posted on 07/18/2012 11:40:47 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ichabod1

Who in the heck are you talking about?

I responded to a post that said “Successful businessmen hate competition and will do anything to keep it out,”.

I’m successful in the sense that I can provide a good living for my family and I’ve had the doors open for almost 12 years now.

So you think that I will “do anything” to keep out the competition?

Why is your opinion of me so low?


26 posted on 07/18/2012 11:40:53 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: jda

I used to wonder why some wealthy people(Kennedy’s) or some successful business people were very far left. I think it is because they already have theirs, so it matters little to them whether someone else has a shot. Study after study shows that socialism prevents upward mobility - the U.S. has historically been a country where someone of modest means can reach the top through smarts and hard work. Here there is more movement up and down than anywhere. And, in my opinion, that is all you can ask for. Socialism kills off the ability to move up and those who are already there just don’t give a damn, in fact making it more difficult for the next guy might be to their advantage.


27 posted on 07/18/2012 11:41:56 AM PDT by PAR
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To: jda
Since i Believe Socialists are the only ones who actually use the poor man to get rich IE unions and union workers are stupid enough to pay to work i say

NO

A person who actually works for a living building their own business from scratch usually takes good employees with then to the top SOCIALISTS use workers good or not to line their own pockets while wages and benefits are peeled and paid for by the worker I've worked for both kinds of Employers and Unions most definitely plan and scheme to relieve you of your wages in any way possible

28 posted on 07/18/2012 11:43:00 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Any man may make a mistake ; none but a fool will persist in it . { Latin proverb })
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To: PAR

I point back to the Chrysler bailout in the late 70s, the fact Chrysler paid back the loan in immaterial. The point is the government stepped into the marketplace and decided who the winners and losers were. It set a horrible precedent.


29 posted on 07/18/2012 11:44:40 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder
But someone who inherited such a business and owned it as much as the builder of same owned it, might very well be a socialist.

Inheritors of wealth seem to be more likely to be socialist than the initial creator of wealth. My theory is that the heirs are less likely to be as smart and savvy as the founder, which creates a concern for their ability to compete. Meanwhile, over the years and generations, they've accumulated contacts and relationships with members of the political class, which creates a competitive advantage to the degree that government has power over the economy.

30 posted on 07/18/2012 11:45:41 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: jda; null and void

Null and Void has your answer in post 3.

Soros is a very successful businessman. But he’s a complete socialist.


31 posted on 07/18/2012 11:45:50 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: dfwgator

What’s leftist is your assertion that any and all successful business men will “do anything” to keep out competition.

I’m not your enemy. Please don’t treat me like one.


32 posted on 07/18/2012 11:47:22 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: jda

More correctly, my wife is asking her very liberal mother: “How can you be a democrat and a Christian at the same time, hmmm???


33 posted on 07/18/2012 11:48:30 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Izzy Dunne; PAR

I didn’t mean it come through as “any and all”, although I will say that many do. PAR said it more eloquently than I did in post 27.


34 posted on 07/18/2012 11:51:00 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Izzy Dunne

What? That wasn’t what I was trying to say. I meant that people play for keeps - that’s all. OK, maybe I did imply that people like it when the govt takes down their competition, but I didn’t mean it in a bad way.


35 posted on 07/18/2012 11:51:08 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: dfwgator

You are absolutely correct. At the highest levels, only more money can be made with Gov’t support and coercion.

In many places, like China and Russia - you simply can not do any business of any worthwhile size without being in bed with Gov’t officials.


36 posted on 07/18/2012 11:51:27 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: wbill
I never met a businessman who wished there was more competition driving his prices lower.

So, is that the only two answers you see?

Either I "hate competition" or I "wished there was more" ?

I don't wish there was more, but I don't hate the idea of competition, either. I got to where I am (and I'm not trying to sound like a tycoon, because I'm certainly not) because of competition. Why should i hate it?

37 posted on 07/18/2012 11:53:24 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: jda
yes, a lot of uber rich entrepreneurs are socialists

I think the key to their belief system is the “Kennedy syndrome”

Other people have to live under socialist rules, but they are the ruling elite, to they don't have to because they and their spawn are so much smarter and more compassionate about mankind than the rest of us.

Therefore the rich socialists jet from one resort and mansion and yacht and cocktail party to another, living off their trust funds and tax shelters, assuring each other that their mission in life to make sure the rest of us have a governing elite that taxes others just enough to keep the little people from challenging their control

38 posted on 07/18/2012 11:57:07 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: jda

Yes it is possible for a socialist to be a successful businessman.

First, he can be a crony capitalist, getting funds and monopoly power from the state.

Second, he can be a hypocrite - socialism for thee, but not for me (i.e. “What I have is mine - what you have we share...”)

We already know about the crony capitalists, but a good example of the hypocritical successful businessman is Armand Hammer (Arm and Hammer products), who was a Soviet agent of influence for most of his life.


39 posted on 07/18/2012 11:57:23 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: jda
A look at China answers that question... China is capitalizing socialism... or Socializing capitalism which ever way you want to look at it..

Remember the Chinese giverment OWNS everything.. including the people.. The chinese peoples benefit rests on WHO the ruling elite is currently.. The chinese giverment wants and is seeking world domination of socialism like in the very beginning.. under Mao and so does the Russian givernment.. As multi-millions of murdered chinese and russian people testify.. IF they murder their OWN people with such abandon, what is it.. do you think.. they think of YOU... Oh! wait.. didn't we just elect an in your face Marxist as President?... This next election is the most important in American History..

40 posted on 07/18/2012 11:58:21 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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