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Is the murder of the Syrian strongmen the beginning of the end?
The Guardian ^ | Wednesday 18 July 2012 | Martin Chulov

Posted on 07/18/2012 5:27:50 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

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1 posted on 07/18/2012 5:27:55 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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2 posted on 07/18/2012 5:34:18 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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What is worse then telling the someone who has control of the largest illegal and active chemical weapons stockpile in the world, that his days are numbered ?

Trying to assassinate him and failing.

3 posted on 07/18/2012 5:39:36 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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I am amazed at the dazzling double standard in this wanton assassination of government officials. Let me opine that hell and fury like you can’t imagine will now rain in these insurgents to the point of destruction of them, their families and their infrastructure aided ,I might add, by the Russian navy and army and air force. . Why do we pull for these murdering criminals? What has Assad done to this country? Zero.Is this a pretext to go fight Israels wars? I think it is and I am not going.


4 posted on 07/18/2012 5:41:46 PM PDT by marygonzo
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What happens to the Christians in Syria if Assad is toppled?


5 posted on 07/18/2012 5:44:43 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: marygonzo
Why do we pull for these murdering criminals?

No one should have love for Assad, but he has done what he had to do to protect his entire ethnic minority in one of the most hostile areas on the planet. He is trying to save the lives of millions of Allawites. The Sunni's will wipe them all out. They have been trying for a few decades.

Yes, I know you are asking why is the US and NATO supporting Al Qeada and the Muslim Brotherhood along with highly trained assassins from the Sunni states ? The simple answer is we are being led by the criminally insane. They will do whatever it takes, no matter what the costs to humanity, to make a few bucks.

6 posted on 07/18/2012 5:48:10 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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What happens to the Christians in Syria if Assad is toppled?

They will get murdered just like the Defense Minister (Greek Orthodox Christian) got blown up today.

7 posted on 07/18/2012 6:04:03 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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Days ago, Nawaf al-Fares, the former Syrian ambassador to Iraq who has become the country's highest-level diplomatic defector, told CNN that Shawkat had run an al Qaeda in Iraq training camp. A U.S. official said al-Fares' claim was "broadly consistent with our understanding" of the Syrian regime's cooperation with al Qaeda "elements." - CNN

Anybody who supports the islamofascist Assad supports al-Qaeda and the Baathist led insurgency killing Americans in Iraq. It's no coincidence that all the people who support Assad are the same people who were against overthrowing Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

8 posted on 07/18/2012 6:12:36 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: justa-hairyape

Something I give pooty-poot credit for, is that his NUMBER ONE CONCERN is for a safe and prosperous Russian people; everything else is secondary, or is a means to achieve his primary concern. Syria is a “buffer” to Russia, and that is why they support Assad (besides Assad being at least neutral on Christians, much like Mubarak and Hussein were). You really have to wonder if the American people are the US government’s primary concern.

So, we helped the Iraqi’s, spent jillions, thousands of our young men were killed or badly wounded - but now, they LOVE us!

So, we helped the Egyptians, spent jillions over the last 60 years, but now, they LOVE us (just ask Hillary)!

So, we helped the Libyans - but now, they LOVE us!

So we helped the Afganistanis, spent jillions, thousands of our young men were killed or badly wounded - but they’ll LOVE us! Really!

Is anyone noticing a pattern here?


9 posted on 07/18/2012 6:26:58 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

[From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS

As read into the Congressional Record Jan. 1963:

43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

Seems to be the basis of Obama’s support for the “Arab Spring”.


10 posted on 07/18/2012 6:31:14 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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Assad isn’t an islamofascist. He’s a secular Arab Strongman who has blood on his hands but he has no choice in order to protect his ethnic minority, the Alawites. They will get slaughtered if the Sunni wins the Civil War. And then, it’ll be open season on Christians in Syria.


11 posted on 07/18/2012 6:34:13 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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It's no coincidence that all the people who support Assad are the same people who were against overthrowing Saddam Hussein in Iraq.

The problem with Syria is that we have a leftist leadership in the US that was against invading Iraq. They are now promoting the invasion of Syria. The US (Obama/Hillary) tried to get the UN to put sanctions on Syria. Russia and China stopped that. Then the US (Obama/Hillary) tried to get NATO to attack Syria after the Turkish jet was downed. They failed because NATO is pretty much spent and cannot handle Syria. So now they are forced to back Assad into a corner by trying to assassinate him and his officials. The US (Obama/Hillary) are doing this for the Sunni House of Saud.

12 posted on 07/18/2012 6:35:18 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Thank you. I feel many times I am on a different planet and no one is there. Your post has uplifted me. I am no sheep. I am no fool and neither,my friend , are you. Hang tough in the wind.


13 posted on 07/18/2012 6:40:45 PM PDT by marygonzo
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Bullshit. He’s an antisemitic islamic fascist nazi allied with Islamofascist Iran and al-Qaeda against America. Christians are also part of the anti-Assad rebellion. Assad isn’t a defender of Christians any more than his genocidal comrade KGB Putin.


14 posted on 07/18/2012 6:41:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: The Antiyuppie
The problem with US leadership is that we are being run primarily by people who have globalist aspirations. Whether they be for a worldwide Communist Union or a World Wide Caliphate or just a World Wide Money Making Control Structure. The bottom line is that Americans, we the people, are constantly getting the shaft. We are not attacking Syria for the American people. We are attacking because the House of Saud gave our leaders the green light.
15 posted on 07/18/2012 6:41:22 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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16 posted on 07/18/2012 6:42:37 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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The Democrats were not against the invasion of Iraq. They voted for it, remember? Clinton bombed Iraq.


17 posted on 07/18/2012 6:44:35 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: MinorityRepublican

Once the Muzzie Bros. take Syria, the Islamoterrorists should just about have all of the pieces in place for a final assault on America.


18 posted on 07/18/2012 6:59:05 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Who is Barack Hussein Obama?)
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To: justa-hairyape

You think Assad will use his chemical weapons? I guess anything is possible now that they tried to take him out and failed. I wonder if they will use them in a slash and burn style of retreat, figuring if I cant stay here then neither can you.


19 posted on 07/18/2012 7:12:26 PM PDT by eak3
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The Democrats were not against the invasion of Iraq. They voted for it, remember? Clinton bombed Iraq.

You were talking about the removal of Saddam Hussein. So now your defense has devolved into strawmen. Great work. Next.

20 posted on 07/18/2012 7:15:21 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: Tailgunner Joe

I used to do SIGINT for the U.S.Navy.

Hafez Assad, like his father before him, played all sides. Did he support Saddam Hussein. Hell yes; he lived next door! Did he have agreements with the Russians? Yes. Did he have secret agreements with the U.S.A.? Again, yeas. Has he protected Syrian Christians? Yes.

There is no more terrible place on earth to live surrounded by those who would murder you than in the Middle East.


21 posted on 07/18/2012 7:18:41 PM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: G Larry

The Arab Spring has achieved a singular achievement: it has wiped out all emerging capitalist markets in North Africa. The Muslim Brotherhood is opposed to western capitalism.


22 posted on 07/18/2012 7:22:06 PM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: eak3
You think Assad will use his chemical weapons?

Of course he will use them. His predecessor used them in Hom to control a revolt by the Muslim Brotherhood a few decades ago. The defector who claimed that Assad was joining forces with al Qeade, kinda ridiculous, but he also claimed there is evidence Assad has already used chemical WMD in Hom. Do not believe that and think everything that defector said was pre written by the those funding and supporting the insurgents (IE - House of Saud, Turks, NATO, Obama and Hillary).

The plain fact of the matter is the pentagon must be blowing a top right now. This battle plan for Syria is absolutely insane. Its as if the Pentagon put together a few plans, they had to include all options, and Obama choose the one that was just put on the table because all options had to be shown. No one probably thought any one with half a clue would have selected this battle plan.

23 posted on 07/18/2012 7:25:22 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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“The Muslim Brotherhood is opposed to western capitalism.”

So is Obama....


24 posted on 07/18/2012 7:29:23 PM PDT by G Larry (I'm under no obligation to be a passive victim!)
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I said the same people against removing Assad were against removing Saddam. I was talking about ignorant Ron Paul type isolationists with their heads up their asses duped by anti-American Russian propaganda. You said the Dems were against removing Saddam but that is not true. Only one democrat voted against removing Saddam. The rest voted for regime change including Hillary herself. Did you forget all that?


25 posted on 07/18/2012 7:30:11 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: justa-hairyape

We didn’t stop Saddam from gassing his own people and we won’t stop Assad either. Not without Comrade Putin’s permission.


26 posted on 07/18/2012 7:31:37 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: justa-hairyape

Or worse yet, because King Saud clapped his hands and when his blue-eyed slave appeared, he TOLD him that that we needed to attack Syria.


27 posted on 07/19/2012 2:08:55 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: ASA Vet

fyi

“I used to do SIGINT for the U.S.Navy.

Hafez Assad, like his father before him, played all sides. Did he support Saddam Hussein. Hell yes; he lived next door! Did he have agreements with the Russians? Yes. Did he have secret agreements with the U.S.A.? Again, yeas. Has he protected Syrian Christians? Yes.

There is no more terrible place on earth to live surrounded by those who would murder you than in the Middle East.”


28 posted on 07/19/2012 2:10:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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fyi

“I used to do SIGINT for the U.S.Navy.

Hafez Assad, like his father before him, played all sides. Did he support Saddam Hussein. Hell yes; he lived next door! Did he have agreements with the Russians? Yes. Did he have secret agreements with the U.S.A.? Again, yeas. Has he protected Syrian Christians? Yes.

There is no more terrible place on earth to live surrounded by those who would murder you than in the Middle East.”


29 posted on 07/19/2012 2:15:42 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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No good guys there, I say we go Ripley on ‘em.


30 posted on 07/19/2012 2:22:40 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Steyn: "One can argue about whose fault it is, but not ... whose responsibility it is: it's his")
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The choice is Ba’athists or Muslim Brotherhood; all thinks considered, I’d pick the Ba’athists. They just plain ol’ fascists, which are several steps up from Islamists...

Still the ideal outcome is mutual annihilation and civil collapse.


31 posted on 07/19/2012 2:27:41 PM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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“I used to do SIGINT for the U.S.Navy.

fyi, I studied WAVEs for the USN....until they sent me off to hell.
32 posted on 07/19/2012 2:29:53 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (One out of three ain't good enough, Make November work.)
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Worrying about Basher and his Alawite cousins as Christians is a somewhat misplaced concern. This bunch ain’t exactly Baptists. Alawites were an off-shoot of really early Christianity and there is little that they do as a group that can remotely be called biblical/evangelical. Basher and his daddy kept themselves and their Buds in power by stepping on the heads of everyone else and that is the bottom line reason they are going to get their throats cut. Ask yourself why it is that Basher’s best Buds are communists and Iranian fascists? How Christian is that?

Remember a few months back when the young guys who started the fight said they didn’t want any outside help except weapons? These young guys are pretty westernized——they see there is a better way to do business. As with the rest of the Arab Spring it’s going to be messy but from what I see the younger crowd is sick of putting up with the old tribal krap. And by the way-—the Saudis are going to get it too. You heard it here first. All these old camel jockies have used the Obamuzzie method of keeping most of their populations down——keeping the good stuff for themselves-——and retribution is coming all the way around.

As best I can tell so far both the Omans and the Saudis are helping the Syrian Rebs with weapons. They got a few heat seekers someplace. They have weapons good enough to knock out a Syrian /Russian tank as well as a chopper. Basher can’t use any chemz he might have unless he can find someone willing to deliver them and, referring to the above map, he would have to drop them on hisself to get the Rebs that are his biggest threat.-——Just sayin’ Basher is DONE.


33 posted on 07/19/2012 2:43:43 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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Why do we continue to fret about what’s happening in Syria? Understand this, they are muslims killing muslims. Let them at each other. I will garantee you, that if a when this monster is either driven out or killed like Kadafi, within a year, they will elect another monster to replace him. This is all they know. Trying to make these countries into a western type of a democratic republic, is like trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. IT CAN’T BE DONE. Look at what’s happening in Iraq? That government, that was “ELECTED” by the Iraqis, will eventually become what they had with Sadaam Hussein, only maybe they will be worse. It’s just a matter of time until a strong man appears to finish the job. So, let’s not have any day dreams that they will all of a sudden become a “DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC”


34 posted on 07/19/2012 2:50:35 PM PDT by gingerbread
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“fyi, I studied WAVEs for the USN....until they sent me off to hell!”

Was it the Waves/Navy or both, who sent you off to hell?


35 posted on 07/19/2012 2:58:47 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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"...he has no choice in order to protect his ethnic minority, the Alawites. They will get slaughtered if the Sunni wins the Civil War. And then, it’ll be open season on Christians in Syria." The Alawites themselves claim to be a sect of Shia' Islam. They believe in reincarnation. The basic doctrine of the Alawite faith is the deification of Ali. He is one member of a trinity corresponding roughly to the Christian Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but they are NOT Christian. Do you believe that Muḥammad ibn Nuṣayr an-Namīrī is god? The Alawites do. I continue to see this myth repeated by what I guess are Christians in the US. Not sure how this lie got started. Sadly, Americans are famous for knowing almost nothing about the history, cultures, and traditions of people outside of our borders. How embarrassing.
36 posted on 07/19/2012 3:17:12 PM PDT by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: justa-hairyape

Thank you for your post. I too appreciate knowing at least one other person on the planet is questioning our leader’s seeming to aplaud cowardly terrorist acts of violence, no matter at whom they are aimed.

It should be a matter of astonishment to all Americans that we reigned terror from above on two Middle Eastern leaders that, at least, maintained a somewhat open diplomatic channel with the United States. I have no love for dictators but the shameless way in which we stacked the deck to allow terrorists to murder or depose them is distasteful and beneath us as a Nation. Our open support of Al Queada and the Muslim Brotherhood this spring can’t be viewed as anything but deliberate. Unless, of course, you assume our present Administration to be that naive, which is ridiculous.

When these cowardly tactics become a reality on our own soil, we will no longer have any moral or believable basis for condemning them. We have been guilty of condoning them.

And, by the way, how does this figure with the policy of tying our soldiers hands by preventing them from having their weapons at the ready in combat or preventing them from recon missions in Afghanistan?

All signs point to something unthinkable but someone had better start thinking before it’s too late for our Nation. Stop listening to Dims like John McCain and look into what is becoming obvious.


37 posted on 07/19/2012 3:39:07 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Grampa Dave

It was my detailer at Meade and my designation that was the cause of that. Remember that dumb cover story that NSG gave us in briefing way back when? I can’t accurately but it did mention the study of radio wave propagation and some other (XG).


38 posted on 07/19/2012 4:14:52 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (One out of three ain't good enough, Make November work.)
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To: Salvey

What Christians?


39 posted on 07/19/2012 5:21:57 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Israeli vengeance attack for the bombing in Bulgaria???


40 posted on 07/19/2012 5:37:39 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Kick Obama out of the White House in 2012.)
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To: Little Ray
Ba’athists

What intellectual moron came up with that ridiculous "islamic spelling"? Nobody is going to say "ba-ath-ists"

It's bathists dammit.

(by the way...it's spelled mosk)

41 posted on 07/19/2012 5:47:24 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: CPT Clay

Google is your friend.


42 posted on 07/19/2012 5:52:55 PM PDT by Salvey
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To: MinorityRepublican

There’s not much doubt that our Dictator, without any input from Congress or anyone else, is about to arbitrarily commit America’s military resources to deposing Syria’s Dictator; just as he was allowed to do with Libya and Egypt and with the same results.

John McCain and Linda Graham will then clinch the election for Obama by touting him as a “brave and humane” leader.


43 posted on 07/19/2012 6:14:50 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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you are likely wrong.

The Arab League?GCC has the situation in hand and will secure the country and provide leadership to implement a new government.

Turkey will also have a major part. Obama is irrelevant


44 posted on 07/19/2012 6:18:37 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

We’ll see.


45 posted on 07/19/2012 6:32:54 PM PDT by Aleya2Fairlie
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To: Owl558

You clearly did not read his post correctly. He does not say that Alawites are christian, he says that once they will be wiped out, THEN it will be open season on the christians in Syria. And there are MANY christians living in Syria....


46 posted on 07/19/2012 7:28:27 PM PDT by hannibaal
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To: The Antiyuppie

NO shit~

I’ve been wondering whose side the government is on for the past 20 years......


47 posted on 07/19/2012 8:54:53 PM PDT by Segovia
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To: justa-hairyape
To answer that you need to ponder another question. Why are we doing the Saudi's bidding? Check my tagline.
48 posted on 07/20/2012 6:15:57 AM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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It could be the oil. It could be because they own obama. It could be because we have done it for at least 20 years.


49 posted on 07/20/2012 6:54:50 AM PDT by sport
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To: Tailgunner Joe
I make this point to idiot Libs all the time they are so stupid and don't realize the President needs congressional approval to go to war. I guess Oprah did not cover that.
50 posted on 07/20/2012 7:00:29 AM PDT by angcat (Without Valor there is no hope.)
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