Critics blast Arpaio's "birther" findings, others distance themselves .

AZFamily.com ^ | July 17, 2012 | Stacey Delikat

[Tex-Con-Man]

Tuesday evening, officials from Hawaii responded to Arpaio’s allegations that their lax laws on birth certificates could pose a national security threat, saying the allegations “are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law.”

Joshua A. Wisch, Special Assistant to the Attorney General of Hawaii released this statement:

The State of Hawaii has repeatedly confirmed the indisputable evidence of President Obama’s birth in Hawaii. An exhaustive accounting of this is provided on the State Department of Health (DOH) website (http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html). When this issue last arose in May, the Washington Post noted that “the Hawaii Department of Health has released both the short and long forms of the president’s birth certificate; and that all this information, along with clear-as-a-bell explanations, is available to the public online.” (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/in-arizona-the-birther-plot-plays-on/2012/05/21/gIQAV9tYgU_story.html?tid=pm_pop)

President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.

Regarding the latest allegations from a sheriff in Arizona, they are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law. The purpose of section 338-17.8, Hawaii Revised Statutes (HRS), is to accommodate foreign-born individuals whose parents were residents of Hawaii but were temporarily outside of this state due to employment or military service. Similar to section 338-20.5, HRS, which provides for a certificate of foreign birth, anyone who receives a birth certificate under this section would have noted on their birth certificate the physical location of their actual birth. It does not confer citizenship, which is, of course, a power of the federal government.

We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.

Joshua A. Wisch
Special Assistant to the Attorney General
State of Hawaii
Dept. of the Attorney General
425 Queen Street
Honolulu, Hawaii 96813

[Tex-Con-Man]

There is more in the article about the reaction of various Arizona politicos to Arpaio, but I thought the press release from Hawaii was worth posting.

I know it won't convert the true believers.

[rolling_stone]

nope its a say nothing bunch of garbage by a dem hack....quoting the WP

[Venturer]

Why dosn’t Hawaii make a meeting with Arpaio’s lead investigator and explain the discrepancies piece by piece.

[Red Steel]

Obama is a fraud CON. You know it, we know it, and everyone knows it. And the Hawaii government is corrupt.

[Red Steel]

I think you should respond to this article.

[Hotlanta Mike]

We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

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So he is confirming that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kapiolani Hospital, eh? Then why did Kapiolani pull that fundraising letter when they started getting heat about it?

[Red Steel]

I noticed that this clown did not address how easy it was to get a Hawaiian birf certificate in 1961. Specifically, the law that was in effect from 1955 to 1982. Zullo went over that Hawaiian statute in detail.

[freekitty]

The more we learn about about that con, Obama it gets worse. He was put there not by the voters; but by Soros.

[bluecat6]

Dear Mr. Wisch,

Show us the microfilm.

Sincerely,
The American Public

[redshawk]

The State of Hawaii will go down swinging defending this one. However, the real issue being covered up is the one of “Natural Born Citizen”.

How dang difficult is it for the “ones in the know” to realize, or understand the “Natural Born Citizen”. You know, a child born whose BOTH parents are Citizens at the time of said child's birth.

Although the BC from 0pansy is a fraudulent one (and very important), the BC is only a distraction over the NBC issue. Just my thoughts.

[butterdezillion]

Wisch can say all he wants but he’s not even authorized to see the records in question. When Wisch says that Obama’s birth certificate is “valid”, what birth certificate is he talking about, and how does he know whether it is or isn’t, if he hasn’t been allowed to see the record? Which law allows Wisch to say what is on Obama’s birth record? When Zullo spoke to Jill Nagamine (deputy AG) she said that they can’t say anything unless there is an official procedure for a qualified person to get a “verification”.

And the truth of the matter is that AZ SOS Ken Bennett filled out an official application for a verification of Obama’s true birth facts (DOB, gender, city of birth, island of birth, mother’s name, and father’s name). According to HI statute HRS 338-14.3 the DOH SHALL (mandatory, no wiggle room) issue a verification of the existence of a vital record AND anything that a qualified applicant requests to be verified pertaining to the vital event. The law stipulates that a verification is a certification that the vital even happened as described by the applicant. IOW, as long as the applicant provides birth facts to be verified that are on a legally valid vital record, the HDOH is REQUIRED to verify those as the true facts.

So what did Onaka do? He refused to verify Obama’s gender as male, DOB as Aug 4, 1961, city of birth as Honolulu, island of birth as Oahu, mother as Stanley Ann Dunham Obama, and father’s name as Barack Hussein Obama. According to the requirements of HRS 338-14.3 the only legal reason for him to refuse to verify those facts to a qualified applicant (which HI recognized Bennett as being by providing a verification of the existence of the birth record) is if they cannot say that the vital event really happened that way. Onaka verified that the claims on the posted long-form are what is claimed in their records, so the only reason left for Onaka to refuse to verify those facts is because the record they have is NOT LEGALLY VALID.

So Wisch can say all he wants with his unaccountable blowing out his rear, but Onaka has rules he has to follow, and when asked specifically whether Barack Hussein Obama II, male, was born on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu on the island of Oahu to mother Stanley Ann Dunham Obama and father Barack Hussein Obama, and being required to say yes to any of those items which were true.... he refused to say yes to ANY of those items.

So there is our answer. Hawaii has spoken. The record they have for Obama is not legally valid, according to the only one qualified to answer that question, when subjected to the laws governing verification.

Furthermore, the HDOH has been caught 3 times now falsifying official records, so even with all the hedging around the HDOH did in the instances cited by Wisch, there is little reason to believe them, because they’ve already shown blatant willingness to falsify official records:

1. the 1960-64 birth index so that it includes legally non-valid records.

2. Virginia Sunahara’s database record, so that it didn’t show up under her name when queried. Whose name was her record under at that time, if not her own?

3. The HDOH altered Stig Waidelich’s BC# in a stunt coordinated with CNN. Here’s what I posted elsewhere regarding this latest falsification which I suspected long ago but which is now proven:

Interesting that you bring up CNN...

Based on what Verna Lee said, there is no way that Stig WAidelich was given a BC# 282 later than Gretchen Nordyke, who was born 28 minutes before him. For 282 people to be born in those 28 minutes would require a birth rate 336 times the birth rate in Honolulu for August of 1961.

The HDOH fabricated a BC# for Stig Waidelich to make it appear that BC#’s were not issued sequentially (in order to try to explain away Obama’s BC# discrepancy). And in order to get that false BC# out into the public they arranged a stunt with CNN, where CNN would focus on Stig Waidelich and have him order his BC and pick up the COLB straight from the HDOH office while the CNN cameras videotaped, including the BC#.

By about 6am the morning after that segment by Gary Tuchmann aired on CNN on April 25, 2011... an Obama supporter submitted a comment on my blog asking whether I had seen Stig Waidelich’s BC# and that it contradicted what I was saying about Obama’s BC# being a discrepancy.

That segment showing the BC# that was specifically fabricated by the HDOH for CNN cameras was re-aired on May 30th, when Mike Zullo was in Hawaii investigating the fraud surrounding Obama’s BC. That’s TWICE that CNN aired the stunt that they worked out with the HDOH in order to get FALSIFIED records into the public eye.

So when you mention CNN, they actually DID play a hand in a fabricated birth certificate: Stig Waidelich’s. With the help of the HDOH itself.

This is much, much bigger than Rathergate.

[Tucker39]

What does ol’ Josh have to say about the multitude of layers in the PDF of the LFBC which should not be there; or the handwritten codes put into the BC form by the registrar that were tampered with and which, as a result of the tampering, contradict each other, etc?

That registrar, Ms. Lee, is still living, and was interviewed by the Cold Case Posse. She has seen how her document has been altered, and as I understand it, she is pissed!

I can see where Hawaii has gotten itself into a real bind. They started the cover-up some years ago, at the behest of Zero’s lawyers, thinking it was a minor detail and would never come up again.

So now they are stuck with their story and have to stonewall, because they can’t let anyone actually EXAMINE the ORIGINAL document which is in their archives; so they suggest that interested parties look at the LFBC on Obama’s website. IMHO, one will get just as much true information by examining a single square of Charmin toilet tissue!

[Third Person]

Joshua Wisch is a laughable DNC hack, cut from the mould of Carney, Gibbs, and Axelrod. Wisch's statement is right out of 1984...

"Vital records in Hawaii have some of the highest levels of privacy protection in the nation. Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud."

Yeah, sure ya do...

[Red Steel]

So he is confirming that Barack Hussein Obama II was born in Kapiolani Hospital, eh? Then why did Kapiolani pull that fundraising letter when they started getting heat about it?

LoL. This guy wishes that Obama was born there as 'true and accurate'. What happen is Obama amended his bogus vital records possible over and over again.

[rolling_stone]

http://www.legistorm.com/person/Joshua_A_Wisch/58217.html

[Kenny Bunk]

Red, the whole deal is easily summed up.

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama,
it was not what Obama gave us.

That's what Sheriff Joe and his Posse have proven. As far as Hawaii's Birth Certificate issuing practices ... well that's very old news, too.
"Baby born my house. I witness."
Baby born Hong Kong, now 14 year old, 26 year old? No problem.

Kapiolani? No Way José, or they would have let Zullo see the register. Attack the evidence? Why no. Let's attack Sheriff Joe.

[Tucker39]

Wasn’t there some info that surfaced some time back which specified that while Zero and his accomplices claim he was born at that hospital; back in 1961 when the birth is alleged to have taken place, that facility did not go by that name! It did not get that name until around 1979, if memory serves.

[butterdezillion]

Doesn’t that say it all? He quoted the Washington Post. All the DOH website says about this is that they gave OBAMA’S LAWYER 2 CERTIFIED PHOTOCOPIES, and Obama posted something online.

When officially asked to verify that the online BC that Obama posted was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” Onaka refused to verify that. The statute does not allow Onaka to verify something different than what was requested. By not verifying that the online BC was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”, as specifically requested by AZ SOS Ken Bennett, Onaka was REFUSING TO VERIFY THAT. The only reason he has for refusing to verify it is if it’s not true.

So again, the unaccountable blowhards can say all they want, but when the question was asked point-blank by somebody required by law to answer honestly.... he indirectly confirmed that the posted BC is NOT a true and accurate representation of the original on file and that the record they have is not legally valid - by refusing to verify any of those things as true.

[CriticalJ]

“President Obama was born in Honolulu, and his birth certificate is valid.”

Maybe it is valid. Maybe he was born in Honolulu.

Maybe it has the wrong Father on it.

[dragonblustar]

Ping

[ab01]

“Maybe it has the wrong Father on it.”...I believe you have the answer.

[phockthis]

An affidavit of truth give you powers against the government.

Learn their power and how to use them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8GuY1cy_g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrmKvSsUdhA&feature=related

[butterdezillion]

If it was valid, Onaka would have had to verify the stuff AZ SOS Ken Bennett submitted on the verification application form. He refused to do that.

Wisch doesn’t have to play by any rules. Onaka does. And the one who has to play by the rules would not verify as true ANY of the claims on Obama’s birth certificate in their office.

When a person submits the application that’s like saying to Onaka, “Is that your final answer?” There’s no going back after that. Onaka’s final answer was that he could not verify any of Obama’s birth facts as true.

[butterdezillion]

Actually I just re-read a document this morning that was put out by Catholic Charities years ago and gave the histories of the hospitals that were involved in their adoptions, and Kapiolani was listed under that name at that time.

Of course, there were claims that he was born at Queen’s Medical Center. Those got changed somewhere down the line. And, also there was Obama’s literary biography in which he claimed until 2007(?) that he was born in Kenya...

[TheCipher]

We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama..

It sure as hell does apply to Obama. Perhaps Wisch should go back and read the statute or take a reading comprehension course. Here it is ( with the relevant parts in bold ):

[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State.

(a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child

Now Wisch may be too dimwitted to comprehend this, but an adult is someone over 18. They are not talking about a minor. Once again :

Upon application of an adult...., the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult

[Red Steel]

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama, it was not what Obama gave us.

As I recall Zullo saying, after the Hawaiian DoH calls the cops on the Posse, and the Honolulu cop(s) sees the Posse in suits and ties, they or he leaves shaking their head(s) LoL. Then assistant AG Jill Nagamine shows up "to greet" the Posse.

They have a meeting for about 15 minutes. Nagamine said in the meeting once the HI birf certificate gets out of their hands, it's not their responsibility anymore or very close to those words. So Obot Nagamine doesn't care about Hawaiian birth certificate fraud. Or at least when it comes to Obama who is complicit in document fraud.

[DiogenesLamp]

Tuesday evening, officials from Hawaii responded to Arpaio’s allegations that their lax laws on birth certificates could pose a national security threat, saying the allegations “are untrue, misinformed, and misconstrue Hawaii law.”

Hawaii says "Who? Us? No way man!"

Obviously they are telling the truth. Everyone knows that if they were guilty they would admit it.

[dandiegirl]

But BO himself said he was born in Kenya in his bio. Which is it? Why don’t Republicans pressure him to face what he says?

[dandiegirl]

But BO himself said he was born in Kenya in his bio. Which is it? Why don’t Republicans pressure him to face what he says?

[Red Steel]

Joshua A. Wisch, Special Assistant to the Attorney General of Hawaii says, -

...We also note that section 338-17.8 was not passed until 1982, so it cannot apply to President Obama, who was born at the Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu in 1961, as is reflected on his certificate of live birth, a copy of which can be viewed on the White House website, a link to which is provided on DOH’s website.

Actually, the Hawaiian 1982 law does apply Wisch. Section 338-17.8 states it retroactively as we see below when Hawaii was a Territory:

This part OBot Wisch -

"[§338-17.8]... Certificates for children born out of State. ... the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.... "

If that's not good for you the delusional OBots, here is the 1955 law that governed Barrack Obama alleged HI birth in 1961. Look and read closely at the highlighted box:

Again, the HI statute that was in effect from 1955 to 1982.

"Section 57-9 Local registrar to prepare birth certificate.

(a) If neither parent as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate."

Amendments to the Hawaiian birth certificate can be made at any time in the future whether that it is 6 months after the alleged Hawaiian birth or it is 60 years after the alleged Hawaiian birth.

Tex-Con-Man - "I know it won't convert the true believers.

Hawaii is getting skewered here with the truth CON as we all can plainly see.

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for the ping.

[Red Steel]

A correction to my post above to the 1955 Hawaiian Territorial Public Health Statics Act.

"Section 57-9 Local registrar to prepare birth certificate.

(a) If neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare file the certificate. "

[Red Steel]

Thanks Lj.
I’m going through my downloaded page captures that I have not put on the Internet. That 1955 HI law was one of them. It may not even be on the Internet anymore so I placed the scanned image on the Web for all to see in black in white. ;-)

[Kenny Bunk]

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama,
it was not what Obama gave us.

Nagamine said once the HI birf certificate gets out of their hands, it's not their responsibility anymore ....

Gang, I hate to sound like a one-line parrot here

It doesn't even matter what's on the "document." The "document" is not what he received from Hawaii. It is something made up. But Hawaii's CYA is in place. It's the President who now has to explain why what HE got was NOT WHAT WE GOT.

Insofar as they can lead us to be discussing the laws of Hawaii, bits, bytes, pixels, layers, etc, they can keep us circling our own camp fire forever.

WHAT HE SHOWED, AIN'T WHAT HE GOT.
ALL WE KNOW IS WHAT THE HE SHOWED.
AIN'T IT ABOUT TIME WE SAW WHAT HE GOT?

What Hawaii is needlessly helping Obama to try and hide is simply that the two items are NOT the same. That's the Emperor's Clothes, The Nose on Your Face, if it Were a Snake, it would have Bitten Us, Hidden in Plain Sight, Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious Truth here.

[TXnMA]

"All the DOH website says about this is that they gave OBAMA’S LAWYER 2 CERTIFIED PHOTOCOPIES, and Obama posted something online."

Photocopies, by definition, are "flattened" (no layers). All the lawyers have to do is produce one of those two "CERTIFIED PHOTOCOPIES", hold it up beside the image posted online -- and show that the two are visually identical. (And, of course explain where all the layers, different-resolution and moveable image elements -- and the typed-in data in the two "9-coded" (EMPTY) blocks, etc. came from.)

But, of course, they can't do that...

[Kenny Bunk]

Pardon my typos. I am hoppin' mad about this. I am even mad at Sheriff Joe! That presser could have been one hell of a lot closer to the point.

The "document" is a fake because:

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama,
it was not what Obama gave us.

[edge919]

Sounds like a bunch of Wisch-ful thinking on the part of the Hawaiian Assistant to the AG:

Not only are Hawaii’s vital records some of the best managed, but they also have some of the strongest restrictions on access to prevent identity theft and fraud.

Maybe he can explain this story from just a couple of years ago:

Hawai'i ranks 6th in ID theft

Hawai'i has the sixth-worst record in the nation for identity theft and fraud, a new study shows

"Local businesses and even national businesses need to be aware that Honolulu ... has a substantially higher identity fraud rate," said Stephen Coggeshall, author of the report by San Diego-based ID Analytics Inc.

"The problem is growing and has been growing," added Chris Van Marter, Honolulu deputy prosecuting attorney and head of a white-collar crime unit. "The problem is going to get worse before it gets better."

link

[freekitty]

Stop with the true believer junk. We all know there is something wrong with Obama. We all know he was placed there not by the voters; but a special group of elicits.

[Menehune56]

But BO himself said he was born in Kenya in his bio. Which is it? Why don’t Republicans pressure him to face what he says?

I know, that is what is so maddening: Obama has never been confronted for an explanation about where his Kenyan biography could possibly have come from if not himself. The only excuse to date has been the laughable claim by his editor at the agency that the born-in-Kenya bio was a "fact checking error." Uh, where did the facts being checked come from in the first place?

Obama should have been hounded about where the biographical information could possibly have originated other than from him. And I would LOVE to see him asked at a press conference why he shouldn’t apologize to the patriotic people he allowed to be ridiculed as crackpots or "birthers."

[Mr. K]

I don’t think Sheriff Joe is going to like this- I can’t wait to hear his response to Hawaii

They were not even allowed access to PUBLIC records when they went down there- Everyone they encountered in Hawaii stood in their way at every turn.

Even the simple hospital registration book- which could have ended it right there- was kept from them.

[freebird5850]

Why dosn’t Hawaii make a meeting with Arpaio’s lead investigator and explain the discrepancies piece by piece.

I too would like to see something like that but Hawaii is uber liberal and would never entertain such. Liberals lie so much they fool them selves into making what they say truth. Hope this helps.

[TheCipher]

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama, it was not what Obama gave us.

Exactly !!! That point keeps on having to be made. If Trump ever decides to defend his honor, that is the phrase he should repeat over and over. Plus it is perfect for bumper stickers !!!!

[Kenny Bunk]

Bennett is just one of many bad guys, but he is convenient. Let's start bombarding him with e-mails, letters, and his office with phone calls. He now has more than ample grounds for removing Obama from the AZ Ballot.

He needs no more authority than he already has under the state Constitution

[Venturer]

The State of Hawaii has fought tooth and nail to avoid having anyone actually see the original record. Why?

What could possibly the reason if the original record is there? Why can they not just show it and be done with it?

IMO which isn’t worth anything, They are hiding factual information.

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

"This is much, much bigger than Rathergate."

Sadly, you are absolutely correct.

Thanks for the explanation on Stig Waidelich's BC#. I had seen incomplete reference to it on another thread or two, and was wondering what that was all about.

The trail of corruption goes from the government in Hawaii to all of the other States, the entire upper echelons of the government, including, tragically, the military itself, up through the heads of state of other governments around the world, all pretending that this guy's legit.

"A copper wire snapped in Nevada."

[Eye of Unk]

Because Hawaii isn’t stupid, in the future socialist changeover of America the middle class will be eliminated.

It will be the working class and the elite. The working class won’t visit Hawaii and didn’t spend enough when they did.

The new Americans the socialized elites will have their American “dachas” in Hawaii. Just the the Russians did.

Ruusian people didn’t go visit Disney, Hawaii etc, no it was the politicians.

This is what Hawaii is investing in, to ensure it will be a politicians retreat, screw anyone else.

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

Whatever it was that Hawaii gave Obama,
it was not what Obama gave us.

Bears repeating. Well said, all!

[Flotsam_Jetsome]

"Stop with the true believer junk."

Actually, RS was launching a jibe back at TCM's Alinsky-ite garbage in post #1. Hence this in post #30:

Tex-Con-Man - "I know it won't convert the true believers.

Well said, RS.

[Natufian]

“All the DOH website says about this is that they gave OBAMA’S LAWYER 2 CERTIFIED PHOTOCOPIES, and Obama posted something online.”

And yet, the Hawaii DOH and Onaka have also said:

“The information contained in the ‘Certificate of Live Birth’ published at http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/president-obamas-long-form-birth-certificate and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached with your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/96200621/2012-06-06-MDEC-Motion-to-Supplement-Response-to-Motion-for-Sanctions-S-D-Miss

[freekitty]

I meant Tex-Con-Man. Didn’t put his name down.