Skip to comments.Kuhner: Arpaio Probe Could Dwarf Watergate
Posted on 07/20/2012 12:11:33 AM PDT by Meet the New Boss
America may be facing a constitutional crisis. Sheriff Joe Arpaio of Maricopa County, Ariz., has made a startling declaration: President Obamas birth certificate is fraudulent. If true and I stress if then this scandal dwarfs Watergate. In fact, it would be the greatest political scandal in U.S. history.
Recently, Sheriff Arpaio held a news conference. He said that his team of independent investigators composed of former law enforcement officials and reporters have for months meticulously examined the computer-generated birth certificate that Mr. Obama revealed to the public in April 2011. Their stunning conclusion: The document is a forgery. His chief investigator, Mike Zullo, says that the document is full of errors and omissions.
Sheriff Arpaios findings threaten to plunge America into an unprecedented crisis. For if and again, I emphasize if he is correct, then Mr. Obama has perpetrated the most elaborate hoax in U.S. history. A fraudulent birth certificate would mean that Mr. Obama is ineligible to serve as commander-in-chief. His presidency would therefore be legally and constitutionally illegitimate.
The consequences would shake the country to its very foundations. It would mean that he should be immediately removed from office impeached. Moreover, every law and executive order passed under his administration Obamacare, the economic stimulus, the Dodd-Frank financial reform, the government takeover of General Motors and Chrysler, the granting of amnesty to nearly one million illegal immigrants, the National Defense Reauthorization Act, the drone assassination list would be null and void. The logic is inexorable: Should the presidents legal authority be deemed invalid, then everything resulting from it is also baseless. The Obama presidency would be overturned. Mr. Obama himself would be facing criminal charges and possible jail time for committing fraud.
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No court would hold that the suits by Orly, Berg, etc. were sufficient to put the citizenry as a whole on notice that they should not rely on Obama’s official actions, especially when every one of these cases to date has been decided in favor of Obama (mostly because the cowardly courts refuse to hear the merits of the cases).
The claim by Sheriff Joe is one thing and one thing only: That the posted BC is a fraud, and I for one consider that assertion as proven. But that contention, even if true and accepted as a true fact; that the BC is a fraud; doesn’t necessarily mean 0bama is not a natural born citizen in our overly parsed world.
Nothing means nothin’. That’s our whole problem. We can think to ourselves, “gee, why would there be a fake BC if there wasn’t something hinky going on”, but our thinking that or even a pile of other people thinking that does not prove anything. It doesn’t (in most cases) even justify investigating things further. I learned this the hard way recently, and it is why I say “the law does not apply itself”.
“The law does not apply itself.” This means that the enforcement of any law absolutely depends upon the existence of and motivation of he who would prosecute you (if it is a criminal case) or sue you (if it is a civil case).
Maybe this seems obvious, even banal. But if there is nobody there to prosecute a crime or sue based upon a tort, or who can afford to sue in a civil case, the law isn’t there, it’s moot, it has no effect. It’s like it was a “No Smoking” sign in a locked room. Nobody sees it, nobody tries to enforce it.
“His presidency would therefore be legally and constitutionally illegitimate. “
What a coincidence. Obama was an illegitimate child. That’s why his mommy had a fake marriage.
His chief investigator says it is full of errors and omissions. My husband’s official death certificate was full of errors and omissions. Among other things it said he was born in 1929 and died in 2005 (correct) and was 45 years old. Obviously, the new math. It also said he died in a facility, while in fact he had died at home with home hospice visiting daily at the end. The home death box had an X which had been erased. I called medicare and told them they should check to see if someone tried to claim hospital/hospice care billing instead of home visit billing.
The clean hands doctrine is a principle derived from equity jurisprudence and you are certainly correct that if someone who was in on the deception tried to benefit from it a court would have the power to prevent that.
For example, let’s say the chairman of Solyndra was in on the birth certificate scam and knew that Obama was ineligible, it may be that any financial benefits to him from Obama’s official actions could be rescinded.
Arpaio Probe Could Dwarf Watergate
Only if Obama were a Republican.
Only if Obama ‘was’ a Republican.
(I’m going to bed)
so having said all that....WATERGATE WAS NOTHING.....in reality, it was a farce...Nixon just got caught trying to help his low life friends...
he what?...had TWO FBI files and Clinton had 700???
no...Watergate was a supped up farce that the media had fun with....like Rush said, the media smelled blood and have never looked back...
except in overlooking anything democrat....
Are you telling me that if Obama or any other POTUSA were involved in a felony crime and convicted of such a crime he could not be taken to jail before an impeachment process was underway. I Don’t need a lesson on the power of politics or position as I’ve lived through many years of crooked government officials. My query is as to fundamental law.
That would have to ignore the fact that many of those actions taken unilaterally by the Executive Branch per his orders were beyond the limits of Constitutional power. Those edicts, appointments, etc. could well be void because there is no way to make the case that they were done with the approval of the Legislative Branch, something which could be done with legislation passed first by the Congress.
Obama could not be prosecuted for the felony crime in the courts in the first place.
The most they could do would be to name him an unindicted co-conspirator and go ahead and convict the other people who participated in the felony.
It would be up to the House to indict him (that's what impeachment is) and the Senate to convict and remove him.
Once the Senate has removed him from office, then we can go back to the court proceedings and formally indict him and convict him before a judge and jury for that felony.
Fast & Furious would never have happened if Nancy Pelosi did not sign her name confirming Obama’s eligibility (without verification) which Hawaii refused to do.
Obama’s eligibility is The Mother Of All that followed and that alone along with the issue of validating our US Constitution makes this issue more important than ALL others including the economy.
That said, I do not believe it should be an election issue and Mitt Romney should stay away from it. But this issue needs to be resolved whether or not Obama wins in november.
“Can’t we just get over it?”
No, because “it” is the US Constitution.
You're right that a number of actions taken by Obama are ultra vires and should be considered invalid by a court.
But this is true whether or not he is ineligible for office.
For example, Obama does not have the authority to exempt an entire category of people from the immigration laws, as he has done with his decree as to non-enforcement of the law against illegal aliens who fall within a certain category.
This action is by nature a legislative act and beyond the power of the president and should be declared by an honest court to be invalid.
What would happen IF an authentic and legitimate birth certificate surfaces which proves Obama was born in Kenya?
Where does that take this nation constitutionally?
What happens to Obama legally?
Obama was elected and sworn in despite being ineligible. Once that was done, then game over. The laws he signed stand. I wish it were otherwise.
If Obama visits Arizona again, Sheriff Joe should just go arrest him. Since Obama is a fraud, there’s no Constitutional reason why he cannot be arrested.
Where does that take this nation constitutionally?
What happens to Obama legally?
Legally, such a birth certificate has no relevance until it is admitted as evidence in a court proceeding or accepted by the House/Senate as evidence for purpose of an impeachment/removal proceeding.
It could be used in a court proceeding as evidence to convict people other than Obama who participated in the fraud with Obama.
But as to Obama, it would depend entirely on whether the House of Representatives is willing to accept it as evidence and start the impeachment ball rolling.
This is all very interesting. But nothing is going to come of this.
The Republican establishment isnt going to do anything even if the investigation turns up an 8mm film of Baracks momma delivering him a dirt floor in a hut in Kenya. Nor is the Roberts court going to declare him ineligible no matter what the investigation turns up.
Hell, the Republican establishment will not even investigate Hum-a Weiners ties to a known terrorist group. What makes anyone think these people give a flying crap where Obama was born? Obama isnt their enemy. Conservatives are!