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July 20, 1993 - The mysterious death of Vince Foster
Crime Library ^ | archive | Matthew MacAdam

Posted on 07/20/2012 9:28:38 AM PDT by Baynative

Foster left at a few minutes after 1:00 p.m. He told Pond that there were M&M candies on his lunch tray, which Tripp had bought for herself in the cafeteria. "I'll be back," he said, walking out without a briefcase or anything else in his hands.


"There was a tiny bit of dried blood around the mouth and nose, so I thought maybe he'd been hit on the back of the head," he said later. Kyle went in to take a closer look. He would later recall flies buzzing around the dead man's mouth and nose, the dead man laying on his back, clad in a white business shirt unruffled and clean with his arms and hands out straight at his sides, palms up. "He looked as if he'd been dead for a long time; I mean hours." Kyle then looked for a gun, and didn't see one, an act which would make him famous to the legion of conspiracy theorists who would accumulate around the case presented by this dead body.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arkancide; foster; suicide
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The first people to view Foster, Kyle and Fornshill, saw no gun. No one in his immediate family could identify the black .38 Colt, though his wife Lisa was aware of a silver handgun Foster kept in their bedroom.
The way Foster's thumb was jammed into the gun's trigger was also viewed as odd by forensics experts. There was a lack of gunpowder on Foster's tongue, strange for someone who shot off a gun in his mouth. The bullet was never found.

Four of the emergency workers first on scene with Foster's body testified before Congress that they saw a wound on his neck, with two describing it as a gunshot wound. The way the blood collected around his shirt collar and shoulder was observed by some as unusual, as was the overall lack of blood seen by rescue workers as strange. Even though he'd walked hundreds of feet into the park, no soil samples were found on Foster's shoes.

Patrick Knowlton, who'd also stopped at the park to urinate that day, saw a brown Honda with Arkansas plates as well. He also reported a man sitting behind the wheel of a Japanese car who "glowered" at him as he walked past, according to Evans-Pritchard. In the brown Honda, assumed to be Foster's car, he said he saw a briefcase, though Park Police never found any case. Foster's car was also never logged in or out of the White House parking lot that day, Evans-Pritchard writes.

1 posted on 07/20/2012 9:28:43 AM PDT by Baynative
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To: Baynative

His car drove itself there as the keys were at the white house.

2 posted on 07/20/2012 9:30:52 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Baynative

I read he was pregnant with Hillary’s baby...

3 posted on 07/20/2012 9:31:33 AM PDT by stuartcr ("When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.")
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To: Baynative

A number of FReepers have postulated that the Chicago political mob was able to blackmail the Clintons over Arkancide.

Hillary couldn’t use the vaunted Clinton private detective squad to uncover Baraq’s most well kept secrets.

Mutually assured destruction between evil forces....

4 posted on 07/20/2012 9:36:05 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: boomop1
"It was [Craig]Livingstone, recall, who was dispatched to the morgue along with Associate White House Counsel Bill Kennedy to I.D. Foster's body. Unresolved questions about the discovery of Foster's car keys, which couldn't be found at the death scene, still linger. Circumstantial evidence suggests that Livingstone may have planted them in one of Foster's pants pockets during the morgue visit. The keys were retrieved later by Park Police who had already searched Foster's pockets at the scene."
5 posted on 07/20/2012 9:43:56 AM PDT by Baynative (A man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for others)
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To: Baynative

Thanks for refreshing my memory, I remember now, his death is peanuts compared to what we are facing now.

6 posted on 07/20/2012 9:52:45 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: Baynative
.....He was five and she was six
They rode on horses made of sticks
He wore black and she wore white
She would always win the fight

Bang bang she shot him down
Bang bang he hit the ground
Bang bang that awful sound
Bang bang Vince Foster hit the ground.

Mansions, limos, seasons blurr,
Slick porked his girls and he porked her
Yet she would always laugh and say
Remember when we used to play

Bang bang I shot you down
Bang bang you hit the ground
Bang bang that awful sound
Bang bang Vince Foster hit the ground....

Power, money, intrigue and
the one day trips to Switzerland
Unlaundered money in a bag
So heavy that it made him sag

and then that final, fateful day,
he knew too much, and heard her say

Bang Bang.......

7 posted on 07/20/2012 9:55:45 AM PDT by varmintman
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To: Baynative

Anniversary of the sinking of the Kennedy at Chappaquiddick, too.

8 posted on 07/20/2012 9:58:23 AM PDT by Lady Lucky (If you believe what you're saying, quit making taxable income.)
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To: Baynative

There was nothing particularly “mysterious” about it; it was a clear case of Arkancide.

The real mystery is how many in the US - and around the world - went the same way.

9 posted on 07/20/2012 10:06:55 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Baynative
I've put down close to 100 head of cattle through the years, and I can assure you it was impossible for VF to shoot himself in the mouth with a .38

If he was in fact shot in the mouth, he was already dead when he was shot.

According to reports, the nuzzle was pressed against the soft palate in the back of the mouth.

That leads straight to the easel cavity.

Physics 101. Snot and blood would have blown out his nose if he had been alive. It didn't, there was a small trickle of blood.

His nose was plugged with dried blood when the trigger was pulled.

A small trickle of blood from the nose is consistent with a small caliber weapon, possibly even an ice pick.

10 posted on 07/20/2012 10:22:03 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Baynative
I'm comfortable with the gist of the Freeh report for Penn State University as it pertained to Graham Spanier, Tim Curley, Gary Schultz, and Joe Paterno.

However (if you check my posts), from the moment he was appointed, it was skeptical about Freeh's ability to issue a report that didn't already draw conclusions in favor of his employer (the Penn State Board of Trustees). Indeed, he apparently missed the 2004 aborted attempted by the Board to reign in Spanier, Curley, Schultz, and Paterno that's now been disclosed.

Why was I skeptical of Freeh?

His censure was recommended at Ruby Ridge.

He handled the Vince Foster investigation.

He personally leaked Richard Jewell's name to the press as the Atlanta Olympic Centennial Park Bomber.

He was head of the FBI's Waco "nope, we didn't do anything wrong" investigation.

TWA Flight 800. Wen Ho Lee. Khobar Towers.

He was forced to resign over Richard Hanssen.

The only thing he got right is that asked Janet Reno for a special investigator into Chinese political contributions during the Clinton reelection - a request she turned down and an investigation he dropped.

I imagine we'll find out more and more about the Penn State Board of Trustees, things Freeh left out of his multi-million dollar, 400+- person interviewed, million+document reviewed, eight-month report.

11 posted on 07/20/2012 10:26:26 AM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Lady Lucky

Oh those rascally democrates! Someone contact ron brown for the info, oh............he’s gone to?

12 posted on 07/20/2012 10:27:04 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (bb)
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To: Baynative

IIRC, the New York Post hired an independent detective to investigate this case. They ran an entire insert of their findings. There were 40 or so inconsistencies that have never been explained. Any investigative freepers out there who know how to search archives?

13 posted on 07/20/2012 10:42:36 AM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: Baynative
The mysterious death of Vince Foster

He's now just another notch on the klinton's death list.

14 posted on 07/20/2012 10:52:48 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO)
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To: varmintman

Did you write that? If so, BRAVO! If not? Who did write it?

15 posted on 07/20/2012 11:06:52 AM PDT by mkjessup (Romney is to conservatism what Helen Thomas is to a high fashion model walkway.)
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To: IMR 4350

I would bet he was shot with a .22 and the bullet disintegrated in his head. It did not exit. A .38 would have exited -unless it was a wadcutter, maybe.

16 posted on 07/20/2012 11:21:44 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson)
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To: Jack Hammer

“The real mystery is how many in the US - and around the world - went the same way.”

Remember that man named Brown (?), Sec’y of Commerce, if I remember correctly? An entire airplane went down with him.

17 posted on 07/20/2012 11:56:14 AM PDT by Elsiejay
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To: Baynative
FWI: My stepbrother was one of the FBI agents involved in this investigation—before the FBI was told to back off and let the Barney Fifes of the Park police have jurisdiction.

I asked him at the time (off the record, of course): “So, did Vince Foster really kill himself?”

His answer:
“No. Well, let's put it this way: If he did, he didn't do it in the park, and not in those clothes!”

18 posted on 07/20/2012 12:17:11 PM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: arthurus
By all accounts there was an exit wound but very little blood.

That's also consistent with shooting something after it's already dead. The blood has already started to coagulate and thicken which would explain no large splatter.

There is no blood pressure in the veins or arteries to to bleed off which again is constant with the reports.

You're right, the small trickle of blood is consistent with a .22 and even with that it doesn't sound like the muzzle was pressed against the skin.

Even the pressure from a .22 shell along with blood pressure of a live person, will cause blood vessels to burst and the pressure will be forced out somewhere.

You might recall there was a report he was found in his car in the WH parking lot, then the story changed.

More than likely somebody walked by his car and popped him with a .22, then the body was moved, or possibly the body was moved twice.

Popped somewhere else, moved to the WH parking lot, then moved a second time the Ft Marcy Park.

19 posted on 07/20/2012 1:31:01 PM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Baynative

20 posted on 07/20/2012 3:31:28 PM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!!!)
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