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In Colorado Shooting, Gun Laws Come Into Focus
Wall Street Journal ^ | 07/20/12 | Steve Eder

Posted on 07/20/2012 10:47:17 AM PDT by AtlasStalled

While much remains unclear about the shooting – which took place 30 minutes from Columbine High School where 13 people were shot to death in 1999 - it is likely to reinvigorate the debate over gun laws. Here are some highlights from the State Patrol’s primer on the state’s gun laws.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; batmanshooting; colorado; coloradoshooting; shooting
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1 posted on 07/20/2012 10:47:26 AM PDT by AtlasStalled
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To: AtlasStalled
One Conceal carry permit could have stopped it.
2 posted on 07/20/2012 10:49:46 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: AtlasStalled

The debate on this will be interesting because I think Colorado is one of a few states that have banned private sales without background check; or to put it in the words of liberals, Colorado has already “closed the loophole”.


3 posted on 07/20/2012 10:50:47 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: mountainlion

You beat me to it. My point exactly. A responsible, armed citizen in the crowd could have saved many lives and injuries.

I remember an incident in an Israeli supermarket a few years ago. Shooter was taken out by a young woman who was armed.


4 posted on 07/20/2012 10:52:25 AM PDT by Pete (29thday.org Exponential problems require exponential solutions)
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To: mountainlion

That’s right. Wonder if any will be carrying to tonight’s Batman.


5 posted on 07/20/2012 10:53:02 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: AtlasStalled
Turns out the shooter is an Occutard.

This story will disappear in a matter of days.

6 posted on 07/20/2012 10:53:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Oh, you mean the kneejerk reaction to Columbine didn’t prevent this? SHOCKER.


7 posted on 07/20/2012 10:54:07 AM PDT by arderkrag (ABOs are Romneybot trolls. LOOKING FOR ROLEPLAYERS. Check Profile.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Fox News’ Trace Gallagher is now saying Holmes did not have a permit to carry.


8 posted on 07/20/2012 10:54:56 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: AtlasStalled

No surprise, the Progressive Fascists running the Democrat Party are such shameless scum they will not hesitate for a second to try and exploit this tragedy.

It is that complete lack of any sense of decency or rationality on the part of the current leadership of the Democrat Party that renders them complete unfit to hold any political power at any level.


9 posted on 07/20/2012 10:57:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: smoothsailing

What a shocking revelation from the media. I heard from someone that guns were not allowed in the theater. Maybe this dropout med student could not read signs either. Apparently law abiding CCW folks were. That may have gotten them killed. Hope the families all file wrongful death lawsuits against the management for not allowing them to protect themselves.


10 posted on 07/20/2012 10:58:50 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: AtlasStalled

As the libs try to continue their game of “whack-a-mole” with the Bill of Rights, they’re already having to retract their knee jerk accusations against the Tea Party, claiming they released the story before “vetting” it properly. Not “vetting things properly” seems to me a hallmark with the left, starting with their dear leader.


11 posted on 07/20/2012 10:59:17 AM PDT by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: smoothsailing

I understand that it is illegal, per local ordinance, to have a concealed carry firearm in this town.

I wonder if it has dawned on them that this didnt protect these people? Is the town culpable in this because they failed to protect these people because of this ordinance?


12 posted on 07/20/2012 11:00:43 AM PDT by crz
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To: AtlasStalled

“Never waste a crisis [or tragedy]” rules apply.


13 posted on 07/20/2012 11:03:21 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: FrankR

That is..false publishing. Plain and simple. The tea party Jim Holmes-if there is one, has a case as does the local tea party.

How much do they sue for?


14 posted on 07/20/2012 11:03:49 AM PDT by crz
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Can anyone confirm he’s an Occutard?


15 posted on 07/20/2012 11:03:49 AM PDT by E Rocc (November 2, 2010: The beginning of the end of the kleptocracy.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Can anyone confirm he’s an Occutard?


16 posted on 07/20/2012 11:04:07 AM PDT by E Rocc (November 2, 2010: The beginning of the end of the kleptocracy.)
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To: E Rocc
He posted a pro-Occupy youtube video
17 posted on 07/20/2012 11:05:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: mountainlion

bravo

I am liking the Israeli security model of having armed good guys at public venue


18 posted on 07/20/2012 11:05:58 AM PDT by silverleaf (Every human spent about half an hour as a single cell)
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To: mountainlion

Actually, the Theater Chain has a policy prohibiting concealed carry. Clearly, the suspect failed to read the notice.


19 posted on 07/20/2012 11:06:18 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: crz
"I understand that it is illegal, per local ordinance, to have a concealed carry firearm in this town...I wonder if it has dawned on them that this didnt protect these people? Is the town culpable in this because they failed to protect these people because of this ordinance?"

Of course that hasn't dawned on them. Liberals are superior, and accept no blame, hence this could not possibly be the result of their policies. Just like NYC, the blame will be placed on other jurisdictions that aren't as *enlightened* as Aurora and still have "lax gun laws" resulting in a "river of iron" flowing into their otherwise pristine utopia.

20 posted on 07/20/2012 11:09:06 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

That guy claims to be 34 years old. Maybe not the same James Holmes.


21 posted on 07/20/2012 11:09:24 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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22 posted on 07/20/2012 11:09:38 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: MachIV

“Colorado is one of a few states that have banned private sales without background check”

You heard wrong.


23 posted on 07/20/2012 11:10:25 AM PDT by CodeToad (History says our end is near.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

This appears to be a 34 year old person in which case it would not be the same person.

Please be certain about this before you post it.


24 posted on 07/20/2012 11:12:08 AM PDT by Ciganina
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To: AtlasStalled
Cinemark's policy of banning weapons has certainly come into focus. They're the reason no-one had a gun to shoot back with.

Hope they get sued into the ground.

25 posted on 07/20/2012 11:12:41 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

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26 posted on 07/20/2012 11:16:33 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: mountainlion
One Conceal carry permit could have stopped it.

Perp apparently thought of that ... he deployed tear gas, presumably to reduce the effectiveness of defensive gunfire.

27 posted on 07/20/2012 11:17:18 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MachIV

Actually, this is a mixed bag in Colorado. The knee jerk reaction following Columbine created a rule requiring an NICS check for all sales at gun shows. There is no such restriction on simple private party gun transfers. The only restriction is that the seller has no knowledge that the purchaser is ineligible to purchase that firearm. This does not require a check or a record.


28 posted on 07/20/2012 11:17:49 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: AtlasStalled

Aurora Colorado.

I wonder how many conservatives were born there last night when liberals found themselves playing the part of “Fish in a barrel”?

Will anyone make the connection that these “Crazy” people always seem sane enough to choose victim disarmament zones for their atrocities?

I do not recall reports of anyone shooting up a police station recently, never heard of a mass shooting at a gun range.
The Ford Hood troops were also disarmed.

True gun control is carefully aiming before squeezing the trigger!

In any large population a small percentage of nuts will be on the loose at all times, no matter what draconian laws are in place.
CCW is the nut-cracker that should have been available to stop this tragedy.


29 posted on 07/20/2012 11:18:25 AM PDT by Loyal Sedition
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To: AtlasStalled

The round table discussion on msnbc is all but calling for a total ban on guns. And they’re really demanding Romney “say something”.

Well, all I can say is I hope Romney doesn’t suspend his campaign.


30 posted on 07/20/2012 11:20:36 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( To kin and former friends: Do not attempt to contact me as long as you love obama.)
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To: toolman1401; crz

Apparently Colorado has CCW but this theatre didn’t allow it.


31 posted on 07/20/2012 11:23:49 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Steamburg

I was right.. Sadly.. I posted much earlier that I suspected the theater did not allow guns inside..

One has to wonder. If one of the dead or injured has a CCW permit and would have had it in the theater...

Can they sue?

The theater failed to provide a safe environment.


32 posted on 07/20/2012 11:27:14 AM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: AtlasStalled

“...it is likely to reinvigorate the debate over gun laws”

We in the MSM and on the gun-grabbing left (redundant) hope and pray to Gaia that it will.

Notice the frequent reminders of the massacre at Columbine High School. The other commonality is that in both cases, bombs and/or destructive devices were left behind as part of the plan and in both cases the media focused on refining laws that prohibited possession of firearms and paid no attention to laws affecting destructive devices.

Of course in both cases, the law against murder was ignored too. It seems that lovers of big and Bigger government just cannot recognize the limits of law (it only applies to those who are willing to obey it), as well as refuse to recognize the contribution made by people who are free to protect themselves.

Sadly, as with everything Left (er, now “progressive”), real world events, even horrid ones, are only the components with which to build and sustain the ideological warfare they continually conduct against the rest of us.


33 posted on 07/20/2012 11:27:37 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: smoothsailing

“Apparently Colorado has CCW but this theatre didn’t allow it.”

Pretty simple; any business that forbids CCW is off limits!


34 posted on 07/20/2012 11:30:36 AM PDT by Fully Awake DAV (Navy Vet when homosexuality was not tolerated)
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To: crz

You are incorrect. The State Law trumps local law. While the theater can post “No Guns Allowed” legally, the town cannot make gun laws that supercede the state.


35 posted on 07/20/2012 11:32:22 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just hate our government. All of them. Republican and Democrat.)
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To: Pete

don’t go far.

look at the recent case of an armed citizen taking out two robbers which was posted here on FR.

This happens every day.

It does not fit the NYC mindset of the reporters. (even FNC is way too NYC to credible)


36 posted on 07/20/2012 11:40:33 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Vermont Lt

Colorado has what they call “home-rule law” rules. That means that in some places, local law (home law) trumps State Laws. I don’t know if Aurora is a Home law area or not.

What home laws do, do is create confusion in dispensing justice evenly and trying to figure out what you can and can’t do in any given area is insane. Some places won’t reveal the laws or rules!


37 posted on 07/20/2012 11:42:02 AM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: Vermont Lt

Ever been to a town that shuns firearms? I have, doesnt matter one whit what any state law says. You get caught with a firearm and they make it real hard on you. Now you can say all you want, but take it to court if you have enough money to fight it...most people dont. Consider this..the local court leans towards the local authority. So you have to file all the way up the chain to fight it. Maybe some have enough money to do this, but folks like me dont. So we move.


38 posted on 07/20/2012 11:42:34 AM PDT by crz
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To: Vermont Lt

unless the state law allows such local BS.

There are also cases where local municipalities pass such BS laws which they KNOW are illegal but do it just to give police state power to police and “let the judge sort them out”. A “just in case” we need tyranical power law.

FL did it best. If a municipality passes such a law, the elected officials are CRIMINALLY LIABLE and must affirmativly take such laws off the books or go to jail.


39 posted on 07/20/2012 11:44:14 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mountainlion
"One Conceal carry permit could have stopped it."

Ditto, but with some skill to make it happen.

40 posted on 07/20/2012 11:48:45 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: Fully Awake DAV
"Apparently Colorado has CCW but this theatre didn’t allow it."

They allowed rifles and gas grenades though.

41 posted on 07/20/2012 11:52:10 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: smoothsailing

My point exactly. If there would have been even one person in the theater carrying concealed, they MAY have had a chance in stopping the problem before the shooter killed 12 innocent people.


42 posted on 07/20/2012 11:53:10 AM PDT by toolman1401
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To: crz

That is..false publishing. Plain and simple. The tea party Jim Holmes-if there is one, has a case as does the local tea party.

How much do they sue for?

Nothing.....ABC apologized and the entire mistake lasted 2 hours. Not enough to even get a free movie ticket.


43 posted on 07/20/2012 11:54:16 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: mountainlion
One Conceal carry permit could have stopped it.

Concealed carry permits are relatively easy to obtain in Colorado. I suspect there were several people in the theater who were carrying concealed, but they didn't or couldn't stop it. Theaters tend to be pretty large and unless the person carrying concealed just happens to be sitting near the perp, there's a really good chance that concealed carry would not have made a difference and could have made things a lot worse in a dark, crowded, chaotic theater.

Let's be honest: Not all people who carry concealed are created equal. In the absence of military combat training or police SWAT training, the average person carrying concealed lacks the training to assess and react quickly to a surprise attack in a dark crowded theater without putting even more people at risk. I carry every place I'm legally allowed to carry. I go to the range several times a month and I'm very skilled with what I carry. If someone were to try to rob me in my office or a parking lot late at night or break into my house when I am home, I'm pretty sure tht one of us would end up dead and it wouldn't be me. As much as I would like to think that I could have stopped this guy if I were at the theater in Aurora, the reality is that me and my .357 wheel gun would not have made a difference unless I just happened to be sitting within a few yards of this guy and I was quick enough to assess and react to the surprise attack before chaos broke out and other people blocked my line of fire. Perhaps the answer is to require every able, law-abiding citizen over the age of 18 to take a tactical firearm training course (or pay a tax if they don't) so that we're more preapred for situations like this.

44 posted on 07/20/2012 11:58:16 AM PDT by Labyrinthos (RE)
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To: AtlasStalled

Gun laws?

Nah, it is quite obvious to any casual observer that movie theaters have to be outlawed. /sarc


45 posted on 07/20/2012 12:05:36 PM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (I wanna start a Seniors' Motor Scooter Gang. Wanna join?)
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To: AtlasStalled

The Second Amendment trumps insane terrorists and it always will.

LLS


46 posted on 07/20/2012 12:06:12 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Don't Tread On Me)
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To: AtlasStalled

Whenever there is a horror like this one, the first thing liberals do is blame conservatives, and next they try to take the guns away from those of us who had nothing to do with the shooting.


47 posted on 07/20/2012 12:08:39 PM PDT by Daveinyork
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To: AtlasStalled

FREEPERS......mob the site...my reply below..

Peter Shawhan wrote :
The NRA will probably claim that this incident doesn’t justify infringing gun owners’ rights. This shooter was not, however, exercising any Second Amendment rights....snip......and he clearly could not have killed or wounded as many people without having a semiautomatic weapon with a high rate of fire and a large-capacity clip. It is long past time to regulate such weapons.

I guess I am the NRA.....and gotta call BS on you Peter. A malefactor with a couple bars to block the exit door handles and 5 gallons of gasoline would have killed them all.......thank God this lunatic grabbed the big bad guns he did to terrify people like you instead of setting about in cold deliberation to kill hundreds.

A single legal firearm owner carrying his piece in the crowd would have surprised and killed the bad guy. As it was.....such a thing is illegal in Aurora. Gee....is that why he did it there?

I truly wish I were there armed as always to defend the helpless. Any real man does.

I will not surrender my God given right to arms preserved for men like me by men like me for for 250 years in in America....still the best of the last free countries.....and certainly not because of some loser weenie 1,500 miles away who was already breaking the law.

It has been tried before....won’t happen. What he uses is EXACTLY the kind of arms we are expected to have and need to have as one of the many checks and balances in a Republic to keep it free.

If you disagree, read about Roman Republic, the Italian Republics, the Swiss Republic...and more. Your problem is not with me or the NRA, it is with history and the nature of men.


48 posted on 07/20/2012 12:10:51 PM PDT by Lowell1775
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To: napscoordinator

Does not matter. They are liable for the mental distress caused by their slander.

The guy has had to have his phone cut off because of threats coming in.

ABC gets to pay if the person goes to court. An apology has to be accepted in writing by the person harmed.


49 posted on 07/20/2012 12:25:31 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

To be honest, I did not know he went through that much. I know for example, if this happened in Annapolis, MD where I lived and somehow the person had my name and they blamed me somehow. I am at work (Naval Academy) and I am sure that we would have a pretty good laugh. I am sure my Facebook would be pretty interesting but I can’t imagine taking it seriously.


50 posted on 07/20/2012 1:08:58 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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