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Cinemark Theaters’ No Firearms Policy(CO)
The Truth About Guns ^ | 20 July, 2012 | Rober Farago

Posted on 07/20/2012 2:10:58 PM PDT by marktwain

“Headquartered in Plano, TX, Cinemark Holdings, Inc. is a leader in the motion picture exhibition industry with 459 theatres and 5,181 screens in the U.S. and Latin America as of March 31, 2012,” their website reports. Cinemark owns the Century 16 movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, scene of last night’s mass shooting. Cinemark doesn’t allow anyone other than law enforcement officers to carry legal firearms in their theaters. The ban hadn’t escape the attention of some of Cinemark’s law-abiding, gun-toting customers—even before last night’s homicidal frenzy. Make the jump for the story of a Cinemark patron ejected from the cinema for Open Carrying [via defensivecarry.com] . . .

A friend and I decided to go see Law Abiding Citizen [in Anchorage Alaska] after attending a local 2nd Amendment organization Banquet. We were already open carrying from the Banquet so we didn’t bother putting on our jackets. We made our way into the theater and stood in line to purchase our tickets, so far there wasn’t any problems.

I was OCing my 1911, my friend was OCing his G22, and we purchased our tickets and made our way to the theater so we could get good seats. As we near our theater two managers a male and female come out of nowhere and the conversation goes something like this . . .

Manager: Excuse me guys but firearms are not allowed in here, you’ll have to put them in your vehicle.

My friend: Really when did that happen, I’ve carried here many times with no problem, well we’d like to see your policy on that please!

Manager: Okay come with me

We followed the manager up to the ticket counter and he showed us this small cardboard sign that said “NO FIREARMS ALLOWED” at the very bottom. We told the manager that we wished to receive a full refund and we would not be returning to the theater in the future. He said nothing, and we were given our refunds with no further problems . . .

We ended up going to a shopping mall that has a theater inside and we were able to see our movie without being asked to leave . . .

This is indeed the slight inconvenience we put up with, but I really feel if enough people got behind this “no guns = no money” that businesses would change their policies real quick. However I don’t see that happening anytime soon because most people are too lazy to take a stand.

Over at forum.opencarry.org, commentator thx997303 also had words with Cinemark about their weapons policy, this time at the corporate level.

I sent an e-mail to Cinemark Corporate to inquire as to their policy on firearms.

I got a call today, from Dan Myers with Cinemark Corporate, and he informed me that Cinemark’s official policy is that ONLY LEO’S CAN CARRY INTO THEIR THEATERS

NO CONCEALED WEAPONS, NO OC.

He asked me that we not send e-mails to tell them their policy sucks.

There are other similar encounters on the net. Suffice it to say, gun owners should think twice about giving their money to companies that don’t respect their Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms. And think even more carefully about being in crowded public places where they can’t carry.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: aurora; banglist; co; colorado; gunfreezone; holmes; jamesholmes; leftwingmassmurder; theater
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A picture of a no gun sign at the theater in question would be appreciated.
1 posted on 07/20/2012 2:11:09 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will carry guns...”


2 posted on 07/20/2012 2:14:22 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: marktwain

The shooter didn’t need body armor.

He just needed to look for a no-guns sign. And he found one at Cinemark.


3 posted on 07/20/2012 2:17:24 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: marktwain

All these stupid rules do is prevent normal people from being able to defend themselves. Apparently the nut case last night violated theatre policy, but no one was able to put a bullet in his head and consequently a dozen people are dead.


4 posted on 07/20/2012 2:18:06 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty ("Get that evil, foreign, muslim, usurping bastard out of MY White House!" FUBO)
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To: marktwain
Then why didn’t the gunman follow the rules about no firearms?

Sheeeze!

/sarc. Just in case.

BTW, Here a great video on the subject:

Make your own Gun Free Zone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhgzcioPet8&feature=player_detailpage

Sad thing is, there are some who would actually believe a sign or a policy would keep them safe.

5 posted on 07/20/2012 2:21:24 PM PDT by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: marktwain
That policy really worked out swell, didn't it? A box full of tight packed unarmed targets.

We don't need to follow the FAILED POLICIES OF THE PAST! And this is a Big Example of a FAILIED POLICY.

6 posted on 07/20/2012 2:22:01 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: marktwain

Apparently Cinemark neglected to put a “No Guns” sign on the side door through which the miscreant entered.

And 12 people paid with their lives.

If only there’d been a sign.


7 posted on 07/20/2012 2:30:12 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: marktwain

A victim with a concealed carry permit needs to sue corporate liberals. If they are going to disarm the customes so they can not defend themselves, they could at least provide armed guards to protect them from the one who does not objey the law. They left those people as sitting ducks.


8 posted on 07/20/2012 2:30:32 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: marktwain
They got what they asked for:

Target-rich environment.

9 posted on 07/20/2012 2:31:04 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini--nevertheless, Vote Santorum!)
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To: marktwain

I’m sure Mr. Holmes will be getting a sternly worded letter about this....


10 posted on 07/20/2012 2:31:43 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: marktwain

Wait... so this article is claiming that maniac criminals intent on shooting innocents and children aren’t deterred by “no gun” policies?


11 posted on 07/20/2012 2:33:52 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: marktwain

Stay out of theatres that won’t allow licensed to carry patrons to keep their sidearms. Part of this tragedy (loved only by the rat in the White Hut) or all could have been avoided by one gun-toting patron.


12 posted on 07/20/2012 2:37:14 PM PDT by IbJensen (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed, if you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: marktwain
So they don't want a bunch of emails telling them their policy sucks?

Knock yourselves out. Be nice when you tell them they suck.

13 posted on 07/20/2012 2:37:54 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: marktwain
Something Like This?

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14 posted on 07/20/2012 2:38:19 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Ambition Without Talent Is Sad - Talent Without Ambition Is Worse")
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To: marktwain

Cinemark should be fully liable for all deaths and injuried from this shooting. You ban firearms, it should be interpreted as accepting the responsibility to provide the full protections firearms would otherwise provide for your patrons. If you don’t have enough armed guards to shoot a killer who runs amuck, then you should be fully liable for disarming people who otherwise would be able to protect themselves except for your ban.

And that liability should reach not only the company, but every corporate officer and member of the board generally, as well as every involved employee at the site of crime, personally.

Where contracts reach out to deprive rights, contracts should lose. there is a fundamental fight between those two powers, and the atrocities of the world we live in today are almost universally attributable to letting contracts - especially corporate contracts - trump personal rights.


15 posted on 07/20/2012 2:42:09 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: marktwain

I wonder if any Licensed Concealed Carriers were wounded and, if so, would that open the door for a suit against the owner for his “assumption of safety” in his establishment. He didn’t provide them safety and he prevented them from protecting themselves. Just a thought!


16 posted on 07/20/2012 2:44:30 PM PDT by Dracomeister
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To: marktwain
Cinemark Holdings, Inc. does not permit legally carrying citizens with CCW.

But Cinemark Holdings will permit a terrorist to exit through an
Emergency Exit and re-enter with weapons to commit mass murder.

People need to sue Cinemark down to their sox.


17 posted on 07/20/2012 2:47:13 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: marktwain

Which I routinely ignore. And no one’s the wiser.


18 posted on 07/20/2012 2:49:21 PM PDT by Noumenon (I will not pay the Obama jizya.)
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To: marktwain

“Cinemark doesn’t allow anyone other than law enforcement officers to carry legal firearms in their theaters.”

So Cinemark. aside from 12 known dead and 71 shot, how is that policy working out for you?


19 posted on 07/20/2012 2:50:17 PM PDT by Sea Parrot (Don't ever think that the reason I am peaceful is because I forgot how to be violent)
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To: marktwain

In Texas, NO-GUN signs MUST be as follows. Anything else is not legal warning:

PC §30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:
(1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent; and
(2) received notice that:
(A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden; or
(B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was forbidden and failed to depart.
(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.
(c) In this section:
(1) “Entry” has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).
(2) “License holder” has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f).
(3) “Written communication” means:
(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: “Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun”; or
(B) a sign posted on the property that:
(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;
(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and
(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.
(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

It’s called the 30.06 sign...Can’t say I’ve seen a lot of legal ones.


20 posted on 07/20/2012 2:50:54 PM PDT by Afisra (It's easier to gun proof a child than child proof a gun!)
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To: marktwain

I carry mine into every establishment with that sign. If nothing happens no one knows. If something happens then it was well worth the risk.


21 posted on 07/20/2012 2:51:24 PM PDT by badpacifist (It is only treason if you lose.)
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To: Sea Parrot

Someone who implemented that policy needs to answer this one simple question -

“What did you intend to accomplish with your no weapons policy?”


22 posted on 07/20/2012 2:54:45 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: DuncanWaring
If only there’d been a sign.

I think a big law suit is in order. How may 0's are in a zillion?

23 posted on 07/20/2012 2:54:50 PM PDT by The Duke
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To: DuncanWaring

I’ve seen a few places that had the official no guns sign on one set of doors but not on others.

I doubt that the exit door through which the perp entered had such a sign.

Maybe that’s why their policy didn’t deter him.


24 posted on 07/20/2012 2:57:26 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: marktwain
In Colorado, it is legal to carry concealed in a public business that has a "No Firearms" sign, but if you are asked to leave, you must leave or you are trespassing.

From Handgunlaw.us:

Do “No Gun Signs” Have the Force of Law?

“NO”

“No Firearm” signs in Colorado have no force of law unless they are posted on property that is specifically mentioned in State Law as being off limits to those with a Permit/License to Carry. If you are in a place not specifically mentioned in the law that is posted and they ask you to leave, you must leave. If you refuse to leave then you are breaking the law and can be charged. Even if the property is not posted and you are asked to leave you must leave. Always be aware of the possibility that responding Police Officers who may have been called without your knowledge and may not know the laws on trespass etc. could arrest you even if you are within the law.


25 posted on 07/20/2012 3:05:32 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: marktwain

Wonder how long it will take before one of our enlightened leaders suggests that the TSA screen moviegoers?


26 posted on 07/20/2012 3:10:49 PM PDT by crusadersoldier
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To: Cyber Liberty

Done and done.


27 posted on 07/20/2012 3:20:28 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: marktwain; All

Hey Cinemark...

Evidently, Holmes didn’t get the message about your policy...

Or..Maybe he did, and that’s why he picked your theater.

People die every day. But to be slaughtered because you’re “not allowed” to fight back is just stupid.

Carry everywhere, all ways. Your life might depend on it.

Refuse to patronize establishments and businesses that refuse to see you as a human being with a RIGHT to stay alive.

You are the First Responder, always and everywhere. No one is responsible for saving your life except you and you alone.

At the end of the day when it comes to wolves, you’re either sheep, or sheepdog.


28 posted on 07/20/2012 3:23:40 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

Stupid rule: Agreed!

My bet is, nobody would have had to defend them-self, if this pussy knew there would have been ten to thirty armed patrons ready to take him on.

This is the perfect example of why you don’t take guns away.

Make sure the populace hasn’t been set up to be defenseless victim in the first place.


29 posted on 07/20/2012 3:25:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: MrB

“...“What did you intend to accomplish with your no weapons policy?”...”

They helped to accomplished a body count, pretty much.


30 posted on 07/20/2012 3:25:35 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: NFHale

When I see a “no guns” sign I know what it really makes..

“spend your money elsewhere”

So I do.


31 posted on 07/20/2012 3:28:44 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: cableguymn

“...“spend your money elsewhere So I do....”

So do I, but I make it a point to go in and let the store manager know that I’ll make it my life’s mission to let folks know that his establishment leaves them defenseless.

Hit them in the wallet, and let them know why, and K-Mart their asses.


33 posted on 07/20/2012 3:32:29 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: The Duke
How may 0's are in a zillion?

Not as many as in a gazillion.

34 posted on 07/20/2012 3:32:45 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: MrB

Like I said - that door didn’t have a sign, and 12 people paid with their lives.

If only there had been a sign.

Sighhhhh.


35 posted on 07/20/2012 3:36:22 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring; The Duke

HUSH!!! If Obama finds out about those numbers we are more screwed than we already are!

Carry on ;)


36 posted on 07/20/2012 3:36:50 PM PDT by cableguymn (For the first time in my life. I fear my country's government.)
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To: SaraJohnson

Why have we not hears of other shooting incidents’ victims suing?
Like the Vurginia Tech families?


37 posted on 07/20/2012 3:58:26 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: NFHale

I agree. It sickens me...

Check this out:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2908790/posts?page=75#75


38 posted on 07/20/2012 3:58:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Remove all Democrats from the Republican party, and we won't have much Left, just a lot of Right.)
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To: hoosierham

I don’t know, but it’s about time we get some second amendment lawyers for this kind of murderous abuse.


39 posted on 07/20/2012 4:04:52 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: marktwain; All

Sue this company into oblivion!!!

Every single victim and their families should do so without hesitation or reservation...

I think AMC Theaters needs to revisit their “gun free zone” policy as well...

Find out who the advertizers that parade their wares during the pre-preview time just before the main show...Those are local companies usually and that could have a tremendous effect on that particular theaters revenue and patronage...

Enough is enough...Time to hurt them where it counts...


40 posted on 07/20/2012 4:16:08 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: badpacifist
I carry mine into every establishment with that sign. If
nothing happens no one knows. If something happens then
it was well worth the risk.

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

41 posted on 07/20/2012 4:38:09 PM PDT by QT3.14 (We get taxed to fund a Death Panel who decides if we live or die! Mmm, Mmm, Mmm!)
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To: DuncanWaring

Dumb joke time: “Two Brazilian soldiers died in battle today”...”How many is a brazilion?”


42 posted on 07/20/2012 4:43:33 PM PDT by hollywood (Stay on topic, please.)
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To: stevie_d_64
"I think AMC Theaters needs to revisit their gun free zone policy as well..."

BEIJING The Chinese are coming to your local movie theater. With the fanfare from Superman, and toasts of red wine, representatives of Chinese company Wanda signed a deal in Beijing Monday morning to buy AMC, the second-largest theater chain in the USA. http://www.usatoday.com/money/media/story/2012-05-21/china-company-buys-amc-movie-theater-chain/55106114/1

43 posted on 07/20/2012 4:45:46 PM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: Dracomeister
I wonder if any Licensed Concealed Carriers were wounded and, if so, would that open the door for a suit against the owner for his “assumption of safety” in his establishment. He didn’t provide them safety and he prevented them from protecting themselves. Just a thought!

If guns are not allowed, there is a presumption of duty to provide security by the cinima company. I don't see where you have to have a permit to sue the cinima for lack of security. Sue them. And hound the politicians when libetal company owners lobby to get laws exempting them from responisibility. All of a sudden these no gun policies will disappear.

The same goes when a liberal company fires an employee who packs and stops a robber. they have a no guns policy by provide no security. Sue them if you are injured in their store by a robber.

44 posted on 07/20/2012 5:04:26 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: marktwain

No-Gun posters have been moved to prominent locations in my post office. (Worried about the folks going “postal,” due to budget cuts?)


45 posted on 07/20/2012 5:04:38 PM PDT by calico_thompson
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To: hollywood

A variation on that was a GWB joke a few years back.


46 posted on 07/20/2012 5:07:13 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Afisra
It’s called the 30.06 sign...

Really? The thirty-aught-six sign? Huh!

47 posted on 07/20/2012 5:08:37 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: marktwain

Carrying in movie theaters at night is a very good idea. Flash mob beat downs, drug addled psychos, and events such as this could be avoided and/or minimized by law abiding prepared citizens.


48 posted on 07/20/2012 5:14:26 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the White House)
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To: marktwain

No 30.06 displayed, no policy.


49 posted on 07/20/2012 5:20:15 PM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party of NO! Nobama, No Way, No How!)
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To: Afisra

Bookmark


50 posted on 07/20/2012 5:57:28 PM PDT by DrewsMum
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