Skip to comments.America's Most Biblically-Hostile US President (Through Feb, 2012/chronology REPOSTED)
Posted on 07/20/2012 2:49:01 PM PDT by RitaOK
1. Acts of hostility toward people of Biblical faith:
Do you really think a hard core dedicated Mormon Cultist is going to be ANY friedlier towards REAL Christians? No he won’t.
Baraq Hussein mohammed 0bama is muslim through and through and hates CHRISTIANS and the Bible.
I'm not a Mormon and believe their religion is bogus. However, I have no reason to fear that Mitt Romney, a 'dedicated Mormon', would be hostile to Christianity. Mormons like to call themselves 'Christians'. I disagree with that but it also leads me to believe that a Mormon president, 'dedicated' or not, wouldn't be slighting and effectively insulting Christianity at almost every opportunity.
First of all, this was about David Barton's view of Obama/Biblical faith versus past Presidents /Biblical faith. He nor Rita said anything about potential future Presidents.
Having said that, setting issues of salvation aside for purposes of this discussion about secular government, elected Mormons have absolutely been friendlier to the type of America that Christians want than Obama has been. My faith can survive a Mormon in the WH. Whether our country can survive four more years of a Black Separatist Marxist is the question we each have to answer.
Yep, politicians have turned their backs on Jesus, God lifted his protection on 9/11, our government no longer supports Israel, they have chosen to stand with islame. The Christian faith has no place in this presidential election, God help us all!
I appreciate your hope, dear friend, that Romney will be all fuzzy and warm toward all the Founders, the Constitution, and to the Christian faith which was known to have fired the foundations for this once great nation.
Extraordinary, however, that we are willing to risk it all betting on the guy who governed and legislated as anathema to all things Christian in Massachusetts.
His known RECORD is what he is running on.
His wife, IMHO, has some of the attributes of a bully in the making, while his own milquetoast countenance belies the proven record of his willingness to pull legs off grasshoppers; as he did in moves toward redistribution of wealth, in MA, his assault on religious liberty, in MA, and his proclivity for abortion (details of which are known far and wide) which for most of his life was his preferred arguement.
Romney Milquetoast cut the legs off all conservative contenders when it was clear he wasn’t wanted by the conservative activists, and he hasn’t thrown us a crumb since. With the backing of the power and money players in the RINO ESTABLISHMENT, who are now socialists, we are cooked.
The convention is the last stand for the grassroots to dump this poseur, but it seems quite clear that since even the Ron Paul forces are reportedly caved that the convention will be now a coronation for the official advancement of a socialist at the top of our ticket.
We do the same thing over and over and dare to hope for different results, so now we have no home. Things have gotten progressively worse and will be even worse next time.
We simply delay our resistance, which guarantees there will be a greater cost when it finally arrives. Or else we go the way of South America.
A must read.
Hugs. Thank you.
I'm well aware that some FReepers consider Mitt Romney as Obama in a slightly different form, which I find absurd. Romney may be far from conservative and have once supported abortion but he is hardly the Marxist America-hater that Obama has proven to be. The fact that we have the choice of Romney, who is hardly Romanesque, and Obama, who is clearly determined to destroy the U.S. economy and make his government the master of us all, seems to make the choice clear. Perhaps the forces of socialism on both the left and the right will eventually bring down America but for all his shortcomings, I do not consider Mitt Romney to be the demon you and others have portrayed.
Frankly, the continued deep pessimism about the future of America and the scathing disparagement of the putative Republican candidate for president expressed daily on FR has become like a cancer on one of the best conservative sites on the internet. When I see these lengthy diatribes about the evils of Mitt Romney on FR, I sometimes feel like I accidentally stumbled on the 'Daily Kos'. The left must be enjoying the attempts to demoralize conservatives being waged by other conservatives. Oh, I know, the naysayers are just 'telling the truth'. Gee, thanks. Much more of this Romney-hating 'truth' and we'll all stay home on election day and let Obama have another four years to destroy our county. Count me out.
Yes, I do believe Romney is a far better choice than Obama!
Do you believe a born and raised Marxist/Muslim who hates this country is better than a Mormon who loves this country?
So Rita, You’re telling me you would rather have 4 more years of the evil we have now. Basically you’re telling me, my wife, children and grand children to go to Hell. That being so, may you rot from inside out for the world to see what you have hidden inside of you.
Jim, you’re absolutely right. I wish more of us saw it.
“HEY, you delusional, HATE-FILLED, Paul-Bot, I’m sick and tired of you peurile, so called “Christians” who stand on our so called “Principles” making scurilous accusations that Romney is as not MORE eeevil, dangerous, and a threat to our Republic)absent one scintilla of evidence either through “MITT’S” (own) words and deeds or record as opposed to the MOUTAIN of evidence we have about (he who you and your Ilk appear to want to see reelected) The FASCIST, Commie, Islamic/Muslim Brotherhood appeasing/defending/supporting Dear Leader.”
First of all...where in the world did you get the idea that I even remotely supported or support Ron Paul??? I loath libertartians. Besides Romney, Ron Paul is one person I would NEVER vote for.
In regards to Romney’s record. You must be totally out of touch with what is posted on this forum. There is post after post of documented material on what a poor governor Romney was and how he was pro-abortion, pro-homosexual, a gun grabber, and a big government statist. The owner and founder of this forum has repeatedly posted material against Romney. So, IF you are too lazy to research, I’m not doing it for you.
Also, don’t post PRO-ROMNEY crap on this forum. This IS NOT a place for pro-Romney anything. IF you keep it up, then I suspect you may get zotted!
Also, don’t use extreme profanity...even in abreviations. It is against forum rules.
“Do you believe a born and raised Marxist/Muslim who hates this country is better than a Mormon who loves this country?”
I agree that Mr. Obama has animosity towards this country, but I don’t see any evidence that Romney “loves” his country. Did Romney ever serve a day of military service? Have any of his sons? No evidence of “love of country” with him. Devout Mormons are loyal first and formost to their prophet in Salt Lake City. That is fact.
The simple truth is that if you do not vote for the Republican nominee, even if it is the despised Mitt Romney, you are de facto casting a vote for Obama. I wish it weren’t true but unfortunately it is.
The Democrats will do all they can, and that is plenty, to steal this election just as they did in 2000 and 2004. They almost succeeded both times. This time they are even more corrupt and in many states are using electronic voting machines supplied by a rich Obama supporter.
Every vote counts, including yours.
“The simple truth is that if you do not vote for the Republican nominee, even if it is the despised Mitt Romney, you are de facto casting a vote for Obama. I wish it werent true but unfortunately it is.”
You ABO fools keep saying that over and over. To repeat the same lie NEVER makes it true. A vote for another candidate than Obama or Romney...IS NOT a de facto vote for Obama.
I do not know when you ABO cowards that despoil FR will shut up and go away. Your sell out thinking is passe...and so are you.
Eventually, Jim Robinson will get his fill of your nonsense, and zot you from the forum. Either get on board with the revolution to take back the GOP or go elsewhere. Whatever, STOP spewing the same lie. A vote is vote....there is NO SUCH THING as a de facto vote for Obama. The ONLY way one can vote for Obama, is to actually vote for him. All other talk is sophistry. It is actually conservative heresy. I admire Jim Robinson because he can see this.
Also, I don’t care IF you think the Demoncrats are stealing the election....that is there normal behavior. The point, which is fail to grasp, is that Romney (with GOPe help) has STOLEN the GOP nomination. He is NOT remotely conservative and his election, even against Obama, will destroy conservatism in the GOP. Romney cannot be allowed to win with the help of conservatives.
A direct quote of Jim Robinson that you need to read and heed before you again say not voting for Romney is a “defacto vote for Obama” - that trash is getting old:
Give it a rest. No abortionists, no homosexualists, no gun grabbers, no mandate loving big government statists. If the GOP wants my vote, they can run a conservative. Until then, they can KMA! Jim Robinson
Thanks for the ping.
What they call ‘simple truth’ is neither simple nor truth.
Eventually, Jim Robinson will get his fill of your nonsense, and zot you from the forum.
***Not soon enough. Look at the damage these republican faux conservatives have done to conservatism. For every vote they gain by hounding us, they dismay more than a hundred conservatives. I do not understand why JimRob allows it.
“I do not understand why JimRob allows it.”
Because he is a good soul that doesn’t want to boot unless absolutely necessary. He declared a “truce” earlier this year to allow ABO persons to post (for a short time this was supposed to be - in my words - a Romney free zone.) The idea being that a great many “conservatives” were genuinely afraid of 4 more years of Obama and therefore chose to vote for Romney. However, as I understood him, they were to stick with that “anybody but Obama” would be better. They weren’t supposed to actually campaign for Romney. I’m not seeing that much anymore. They are now actually attempting to say how “good” Romney will be. Many, not all, are failing to state they know Romney isn’t much better. The sad truth is, I believe, that many were closet Romney supporters that now are pushing him openly. FR has long been a “Romney Free zone” long before the primaries devolved into a farce.
Remember though, this is my “spin” and perception of what happened. I could have gotten the whole thing wrong.
Because he is a good soul that doesnt want to boot unless absolutely necessary.
***Well, I agree with that.
He declared a truce
***It seems to have unravelled.
earlier this year to allow ABO persons to post (for a short time this was supposed to be - in my words - a Romney free zone.) The idea being that a great many conservatives were genuinely afraid of 4 more years of Obama and therefore chose to vote for Romney. However, as I understood him, they were to stick with that anybody but Obama would be better. They werent supposed to actually campaign for Romney.
***They are way past campaigning for Romney when they denigrate conservatives.
The sad truth is, I believe, that many were closet Romney supporters that now are pushing him openly. FR has long been a Romney Free zone long before the primaries devolved into a farce.
***I basically doubt they were Rombots all along. They are Republicans who instinctively vote for whoever has an R in front of their name. They cannot understand why we don’t see it that way. To them it’s a “simple truth” but to us it is neither simple nor true, and neither is this a republican website. That always seems to get overlooked, time and time again.
I have been here 14 years, almost from the beginning. I have been with Jim Robinson 3 times in Texas. The last was when we were counter-protesting Cindy Sheehan in Crawford, Texas. I was here when Jim and his son, John, were designing and writing the code for FreeRepublic. Then if someone left a tag open at the end of HTML instructions each post after that was afflicted with that previous HTML.
I was here when Hillary sicced her media bulldogs on FR and Jim was sued by most of the major media in this country for copyright infringement. Despite the fact that what we do here is clearly in accord with the Fair Use Doctrine, a liberal judge found Jim guilty and fined him $1,000,000. That was raised by fund raisers here on FR.
Did you guys contribute? I did! For that matter, are you guys at present monthly contributors? I am!
I remember that Alamo Girl kept a very detailed record record of all the evidence gathered about Bill and Hillary Clinton. FR was a goldmine of infortmation about the Clinton impeachment and disbarment.
Were you guys here then? I was!
Sola, on yourt personal page you claim to be a Christian. Jesus said, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.” You show zero respect for me, your FR neighbor, much less love. I suspect you are not as much a beleiver as you claim to be.
I have noticed that I seldom see many old friends here now days. I know they haven’t been barred so I surmise they left on their own. With posters like you guys I have decided to join them. Jim, please take the steps to cancel my monthly $20.00 contributions at the FR end and will stop them with my bank.
I have been here 14 years,
***I’ve been signed up longer than you. Are you a conservative? Why would a conservative try to convince other conservatives to part with their principles to vote for a Librul? It does not matter; such an act in and of itself is not conservative.
Did you realize over those 14 years that FR is not a republican website? It is a conservative website.
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbor as thyself.
Like so many “armchair”, you take one verse of scripture and twist it to mean what you want it to mean. Let me give you a clue about that verse. Is it a loving thing to allow a neighbor standing in traffic to be run over? Of course not, you at least warn him. Romney is an insidious evil that requires folks to be warned about. That is all I am doing.
You stand in traffic with Romeny driving recklessly towards you, but you are so focused on Obama that is an even more obvious reckless driver on the same road, you fail to see Romney. I warn you an other, but you call me “unloving.”
There is NOTHING loving about failure to warn.
You worry about Obama’s ties to Islam. A most definite danger. However, although he is soft towards Islam, he is not hardcore Islamic....he just leans that way. Dangerous -yes, should be revoved from office - yes. Is he a hard core Islamist - no. Romney is, however, a hard core Mormon. Mormonisn IS NOT CHRISTIANITY anymore than Jehovah Witnesses are. That makes him an insidious evil that threatens REAL Christianity and the spritual welfare of the nation. Should he be elected he WILL have a bad influence on the nation by misleading many towards Mormonism as an answer....it is not.
Now, and even more important, from this forum’s perspective, is that Romney is NOT a true conservative. IF he gets in office he will so pervert “conservatism” so that folks will no longer no what the real thing is. Obama is an obvious evil that motivates good people to stand against him. Romney will lull “good” people in to complaincency. That is also dangerous. So, I warn peole about that.
Romney’s record on abortion, homosexual, etc. have all be clear and there for folks to see. However, they are so focused on Obama they don’t see the evil Romney is. So, I warn them.
Voting for Romney is just continuing to the same problem that caused him to be the nominee. It is allowing a narrow group in the GOPe to call ALL the big calls for the party. The rest of us have to be compliant because we have no where else to go. Thus, we keep getting stuck with his ilk.
Standing up to the GOPe is a noble cause, and takes bravery because there is risk involved. However, not standing up create more risk to the survival of consevatism.
Friend, if you want to vote for Romney. I won’t criticise you for doing so. However, when you come on FR and criticise those of us, who along with JR, chose NOT to support him. You have stepped over a line.
I don’t think Jim Robinson can be “bought” by you with your donations anymore than he could be by myself.
I believe (my opinion) is that Jim Robinson was loyal to old companions like yourself and very hesistant to toss you out because he knows that in the long run, you can be counted on to fight along side him. However, this extreme ABO hysteria is really out of control. Especially when you accuse those conservatives that oppose the GOPe usurpation as “de facto Obama supporters.” That is just too far to go.
I’m very sorry to lose you, but I cannot bring myself to support Romney who for more than thirty years of his adult life (by his own admission) advocated that abortion should be safe and legal in America. He explained that he had believed that since 1970 when his mother ran for the Senate on that platform. Also, he claimed that since Roe v Wade had been in existence for twenty years, it was settled law and should be sustained and supported as such and swore to do so. That plus the fact that he boasted that he would be better for gay rights than Ted Kennedy. And proved it. And the fact that he advocated for and signed into law a socialized healthcare program that eventually morphed into ObamaCare and is now threatening to end constitutionally limited government in America with the traitors on the Supreme Court upholding it. Romney’s entire career was that of a leftist liberal progressive. I cannot support the man. I cannot support the GOP’s sudden lurch to the left.
A vote is vote....there is NO SUCH THING as a de facto vote for Obama. The ONLY way one can vote for Obama, is to actually vote for him. All other talk is sophistry.
^ CORRECT. ^
Solas' statement, being both intellectually honest and demonstrable via simple, elementary school-level mathematics, shows more "genuine respect" for his fellow FReepers than does the unsupported (and unsupportable) one preceding it.
^ THIS. THIS. x1,000,000,000 THIS. ^
Well said, Jim.
I cannot support the man. I cannot support the GOPs sudden lurch to the left.
***It is not that sudden. It’s likely we would all have had this discussion in 2008 if McLame had not chosen Palin as running mate.