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Romney, Utah politicians denounce accused rapist's actions
KSL.com ^ | July 19, 2012 | Dennis Romboy

Posted on 07/21/2012 7:22:50 AM PDT by Colofornian

SALT LAKE CITY — A conservative activist charged with raping four women rubbed shoulders with some of Utah's most prominent Republican politicians and served as co-chairman of a 2007 fundraiser for GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Many of them, including Sens. Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee, Rep. Jason Chaffetz, Gov. Gary Herbert and 4th Congressional District candidate Mia Love, have attended a barbecue Greg Peterson hosted what he called the Rocky Mountain Conservatives Conference at his lakeside cabin the past three years.

Peterson organized it as a "healing" event in 2010 after the contentious state GOP convention that ousted Sen. Bob Bennett and a nasty primary election between Tim Bridgewater and Lee.

Politicians eager to put those ugly scenes behind them and wanting to associate with what appeared to be a new tea party power base in Utah's GOP were drawn to the confab despite not really knowing Peterson.

"That's exactly what it was," said Hatch campaign manager Dave Hansen, who attended the first event as state Republican Party chairman.

Gregory Nathan Peterson, 37, of Orem, faces 23 felony and two misdemeanor charges in connection with the alleged rapes of four women. One of those attacks, according to investigators, happened at his cabin near Heber City just one day after last year's barbecue.

Response from the Romney campaign

On his Facebook page, Peterson claims to be good friends with the Romney family and that he attended Brigham Young University with Josh Romney, the presidential candidate's youngest son. He posted photos of himself with Mitt Romney and Josh Romney on Facebook.

A September 2, 2011, post reads, "Backstage w/Mitt in Boston before a big event. I have worked for and with Mitt Romney outside of politics for years. Great leader."

Peterson is listed as co-chairman on an invitation for a Romney fundraising breakfast at the former Salt Lake Olympic leader's one-time Deer Valley home in 2007. Peterson also made a $2,300 donation to Romney's presidential campaign at that time, Federal Election Commission records show.

“We are appalled at this situation. He hasn't been associated with our campaign since 2007 and you can believe he won't be going forward," the Romney campaign said Thursday.

Response Utah's political leaders

In local Republican circles, Peterson apparently played the role of a wealthy conservative politico who claimed to have raised hundreds of thousands of dollars for GOP candidates. Utah politicians described him as talking a good game but not delivering.

"He wanted people to think he was bigger than he really was," said former state Rep. Carl Wimmer, who attended the conferences in 2010 and 2011.

"There has always been a consistent pattern with Mr. Peterson. He takes credit for things he has not done. He overblows his accomplishments quite dramatically."

Utah tea party leader and former gubernatorial candidate David Kirkham described Peterson as "exuberant" in his political opinions. Peterson wrote a blog called the Conservative Moose and was prolific on Facebook.

"He was kind of a familiar face to many people," Kirkham said.

Wimmer said Peterson tried to give the impression he was rich, but "I don't believe he was or is."

Peterson says he is a certified financial planner and owns an Orem-based wealth management company and an online trading website. He said on Facebook that he has an MBA in finance from BYU.

Wimmer said Peterson offered to co-host a fundraiser for him and represented that he had raised lots of money for political candidates.

"I don’t think he ever raised a dime for anybody," said Wimmer, whose 4th Congressional District campaign ended at the state GOP convention in April.

Peterson billed this past May's conference as "the CPAC of the West," a reference to the national Conservative Political Action Committee that draws thousands of activists to Washington, D.C., each year. The agenda included GOP attorney general candidates John Swallow and Sean Reyes in a Lincoln/Douglas-style debate at Wasatch High School. A barbecue featuring wild elk and a golf- into-the-lake contest followed at the cabin.

Wimmer didn't attend this year because he said he did not want to associate with Peterson after hearing rumblings within the Republican Party regarding possible criminal charges against Peterson. Also, he said his wife told him she felt uncomfortable around Peterson.

Hatch didn't go to the barbecue this year, either. Hansen said it turned into an anti-Hatch event starting in 2011 with a straw poll pitting the senator against Chaffetz, who was considering a run at Hatch. Chaffetz won the straw poll. This year, the conference featured a leader from the national tea party organization FreedomWorks, which campaigned heavily against Hatch.

Utah officeholders Thursday were distancing themselves from Peterson. Some of them appear in photos with him that are posted on various websites.

Herbert campaign spokesman Marty Carpenter said the governor has his picture taken with thousands of people at hundreds of events every year.

"Mr. Peterson has no formal affiliation with the governor's campaign, nor has he ever. In fact, the governor declined Mr. Peterson's invitation (to the event) this past spring," he said.

Lee attended the 2011 conference because of other people who were there, not because of Peterson, said his spokesman Brian Phillips.

"The notion that he was a Mike Lee guy is inaccurate," he said. "My boss certainly didn't have a personal relationship with him at all."

Hansen said Hatch wouldn't know Peterson if he walked by him.

Love's campaign declined to comment.

Utah Democratic Party Chairman Jim Dabakis said he hopes Republicans would denounce the alleged sexual assaults and ban Peterson from future GOP activities.

In addition to Romney, Peterson posted on Facebook pictures of himself with Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, Texas Rep. Ron Paul and South Carolina Sen. Jim DeMint.

Besides hosting his own events, Peterson showed up at other political gatherings but apparently didn't work on anyone's campaign, Kirkham said.

"He was here and he was there," he said. "He was kind of off in his own world."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: byu; gregpeterson; guiltbyassociation; inman; mormonbashing; rape; romneyfundraiser
From the article: A conservative activist charged with raping four women rubbed shoulders with some of Utah's most prominent Republican politicians and served as co-chairman of a 2007 fundraiser for GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Many of them, including Sens. Orrin Hatch and Mike Lee, Rep. Jason Chaffetz, Gov. Gary Herbert and 4th Congressional District candidate Mia Love, have attended a barbecue Greg Peterson hosted what he called the Rocky Mountain Conservatives Conference at his lakeside cabin the past three years...Gregory Nathan Peterson, 37, of Orem, faces 23 felony and two misdemeanor charges in connection with the alleged rapes of four women. One of those attacks, according to investigators, happened at his cabin near Heber City just one day after last year's barbecue. Response from the Romney campaign On his Facebook page, Peterson claims to be good friends with the Romney family and that he attended Brigham Young University with Josh Romney, the presidential candidate's youngest son. He posted photos of himself with Mitt Romney and Josh Romney on Facebook.

Pray for the Mormon women who were Greg Peterson's victims -- and please think of them first. (Click on the link in the sixth paragraph for more info on those Mormon victims -- and how he tended to meet them)

1 posted on 07/21/2012 7:23:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: All
From another thread just posted at GOP activist facing 23 charges of kidnapping, rape [Temple recommended Mormon targeted Lds victims] -- has more info on his victims and how he tended to approach them:

From that Lds-church owned KSL link: A GOP activist who prosecutors say kidnapped and raped women that he met online and at CHURCH functions has been arrested and charged with 23 felonies. He appears to have targeted mostly LDS young adult women. Gregory Nathan Peterson, 37, of Orem, was charged Wednesday with seven counts of rape, three counts of object rape, two counts of aggravated kidnapping, nine counts of forcible sexual abuse, forcible sodomy, assault, burglary and sexual battery. Peterson is a GOP activist who held political events at his cabin in Heber City, 10160 E. Ridge Pine Drive, the same place where prosecutors allege he took at least two of his victims after kidnapping them and then raped them. One of those attacks, according to investigators, happened just one day after a political event...Investigators have identified at least four victims dating back to March of 2011. Peterson met three of the victims on an online dating site and another at a CHURCH function, according to the charges. Prosecutors would not say Thursday which online dating services Peterson used. However, he had profiles on at least two online dating sites, LDSSingles.com and LDSLinkup.com. His last activity on LDSSingles.com was Wednesday before he was arrested. On his dating profile, in which he used the profile name, "oddsrgoodbutgoodsrodd," Peterson stated that he had a LDS temple recommend and served an mission to Venezuela and also noted in his profile that he "regularly attends church."

2 posted on 07/21/2012 7:27:24 AM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian
Does this mean that Romney is a prevert?


3 posted on 07/21/2012 7:49:19 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Colofornian
LOL!

Is that the BEST that any of you delusional, HATE Mitt and Mormons, Paul-Bots can come up with to try and impugn, denigrate, and attempt to tie Romney (via "guilt by association") to this scumbag?

Wassamatter, are the 100+ year old words spoken by Joseph Smith and the 155 year old "Meadows Mountain Massacre" not "resounding" among those who KNOW the DOZENS of "Documented" association (he who y'all want to see reeleted) Dear Leader has (and continues to have) associations?

Can't any of your at least come up with anything "current" which shows (through words deeds or history) Mittens' obvious HATRED toward the United States and a single-minded dedication/intent to HARM if not DESTROY America, as we can of B. Hussein Obama?

Any Terrorist pals in Mitt's past such Ayers and Dorhn?

Any convicted felons such as Blago or Rezko?

Any members or supporters of Islamic Jihadd or Muslim Brothehood such as the many, Barry has recruited to be his advisers?

Nice try and don't give up as I'm sure you can convince at least 2 or 3 Freepers to stay home or vote 3rd party.

The rest of us "REAL" Conservative "PATRIOTS" (Especially those of us who have served and served in Harms Way) will not be disuaded from doing everything in our power to deny Dear Leader a 2nd term, such as we KNOW how dangerous and a threat he is to our Republics Security and SURVIVAL!

4 posted on 07/21/2012 7:53:39 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; All
Is that the BEST that any of you delusional, HATE Mitt and Mormons, Paul-Bots can come up with to try and impugn, denigrate, and attempt to tie Romney (via "guilt by association") to this scumbag?

#1...I didn't write this article or headline -- the Mormon church owned & operated KSL.com did! (If you don't like the content, write them!)

#2...How long has it been your policy -- as a first impulse -- to side with accused rapists?

(We all see how delusional your defense of Romney is...that you'll even go to bat for an accused rapist!)

5 posted on 07/21/2012 8:01:32 AM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Hmm, that script has been discarded as being quite counterproductive. Mitt has his critics, and so do the Mormons ~ but the motives can be and are frequently far different.

Please keep on the straight and narrow with this ~ people who don't like Mitt frequently don't care one way or the other about Mormonism. He's quite dislikable all on his own merits!

6 posted on 07/21/2012 8:14:19 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Colofornian

Loved the way you tripped this guy up on the KSL aspect. So, what does that tell us about what kind of Mormon he really is when he glosses right over the approved news version?


7 posted on 07/21/2012 8:17:39 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: All
Oh...and what a coincidental name for the journalist who writes for both Lds church owned media (KSL and Deseret News) -- Dennis Romboy.

(Does the Lds church even peg journalist fetchlings serving Romney as "Romboy?")

9 posted on 07/21/2012 8:20:03 AM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; Colofornian

Gawd, you guys - - has either of you dyed your hair orange?


10 posted on 07/21/2012 8:23:11 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: gortklattu; All
...you guys - - has either of you dyed your hair orange?

(This question from a poster who just asked on another thread if sexual molestation means actual "victims" were involved...Gortklattu's actual comment: "touched = a victim?")

See for yourself the comment and context here:
Former BYU student charged with sex abuse (see post #4)

11 posted on 07/21/2012 8:31:05 AM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: muawiyah
Hmm, that script has been discarded as being quite counterproductive. Mitt has his critics, and so do the Mormons ~ but the motives can be and are frequently far different.

Please keep on the straight and narrow with this ~ people who don't like Mitt frequently don't care one way or the other about Mormonism. He's quite dislikable all on his own merits!

Not so!

If you have been paying attention at the back and forth going on here as to the handful who suffer from MDS (Mitt Derangement Syndrome) and their virulent Hatred for him, often times try and paint him (through his association and being a Mormon) with despicable/looney/strange behavior of the Mormon Church, crazy saying by John Smith or the most oft used "excuse" as to why Romney should not be considered and that being Mormons are "Not Christians."

Of course, these same individuals NEVER have anything to say when it comes to the many articles which links Dear Leader to Islamist/Muslim Brotherhood and how much more dangerous he/it is to our Security/Survival and give B. Hussein a complete pass thereon.

They always from their opposition bases solely on "Social Issues" and NEVER about National Security which IMHO trumps all else.

12 posted on 07/21/2012 8:52:11 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Look, as I said Mitt is quite dislikable but you're sounding quite paranoid about folks who don't like Mormonism.

These are two totally different topics.

Regarding Mitt's concern for national defense needs, he should have served. These pure civilian types who never served and aren't related to anybody who ever served ~ I don't think he even has a daughter in law who served ~ can go both ways so easily. Not that I distrust him on the issue, but I doubt he's as genuine as you think.

13 posted on 07/21/2012 9:05:14 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Regarding Obama, he’s a loser so why are you so engaged with what he’s up to. He’ll be out of there ~ if we have a candidate who is a trustworthy guy who knows how to be a winner once he’s in office.


14 posted on 07/21/2012 9:08:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Really?
This is the best you can come up with rants.


15 posted on 07/21/2012 9:22:34 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Since you clam to be a real conservative, why again are you such an apparent rabid Romney supporter? He is not a conservative.
You disparage others from the “guilt by association”, then go on to list BHO associations as making him guilty. Why?
You claim that people who are apposed to Romney’s liberalism as hating him, there is no evidence of that hate. Why is exposing his record hate, you expose BHO’s record and call that patriotism.
mormonism is not Christianity, why are you insisting it is? When given point by point explanations of why it is not, you scream mormon hater rather than explain why you disagree. Why is that?
It appears that your obamahysteria has over come you, and your lack of knowledge and unwillingness to learn of mormonism has made you a rabid defender of something you know nothing about.
How sad for you.


16 posted on 07/21/2012 9:47:38 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: svcw
It appears that your obamahysteria has over come you, and your lack of knowledge and unwillingness to learn of mormonism has made you a rabid defender of something you know nothing about. How sad for you.

Well said!

17 posted on 07/21/2012 9:55:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Jim Robinson re Romney: "He’s a cartoonish fraud. A caricature in progress." Dittos)
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To: Colofornian
This question from a poster who just asked on another thread if sexual molestation means actual "victims" were involved

Also, by implication, linking "Inmans" to terrorism or terroristic tactics. What's next, calling us nazis?

18 posted on 07/21/2012 11:26:45 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: svcw
unwillingness to learn of mormonism has made you a rabid defender of something you know nothing about.

Well, we are trying to link Romney to the teachings of "John Smith", whoever he is.

19 posted on 07/21/2012 11:31:01 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Free people, when presented only with evil choices, create other choices.(EternalVigilance))
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To: svcw
Come November, there's the GOP nominee and there's Obama.

That's it.

Pout, foot stomp, feed yourself all the lies you want; it doesn't change the facts on the ground.

If you insist otherwise, you must believe like McCain in 2008, that there's nothing to fear in four (more) years of President Obama.

Real conservatives know who needs to fired in November and how that's achieved. Real conservatives care about facts of action or inaction not smears by association. Real conservatives don't go around trying to destroy and belittle anyone over their personal Faith. That's what atheists do; perhaps you're one of those at heart.

21 posted on 07/21/2012 1:02:51 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Pontius Pilate 'voters' are arrogant, delusional, lilly-livered collaborators.)
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To: muawiyah
So, what does that tell us about what kind of Mormon he really is when he glosses right over the approved news version?


 


 
Eerily familiar...
 
 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.


 



16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

 
 


22 posted on 07/21/2012 2:14:09 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
MDS (Mitt Derangement Syndrome)

Not to be confused with:

MAS (MORMONism Avoidance Syndrome)


The club motto is:

Look over THERE!!!

23 posted on 07/21/2012 2:16:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Of course, these same individuals NEVER have anything to say when it comes to the many articles which links Dear Leader to Islamist/Muslim Brotherhood and how much more dangerous he/it is to our Security/Survival and give B. Hussein a complete pass thereon.



“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




24 posted on 07/21/2012 2:18:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: newzjunkey
I want to thank you junkie, for schooling me on what a real conservative is.

You have convinced me that real conservatives call other people liars with no substantiation.

You have convinced me that real conservatives read other peoples minds and thoughts an attribute motives to them beyond any bases whatsoever.

You have convinced me that real conservatives never attribute guilt by association to anyone, unless of course you disagree with them or they are liberals you don't support, then its ok.

You have convinced me that real conservatives who believe in Biblical concepts of calling out false prophets and teachings need to be suspended because real conservatives are offended.

You have convinced me that real conservatives excoriated anyone exposing anti-Christan teaches by berating anyone who would dare do this because they are atheist at heart.

You have convinced me that real conservatives accuse others of what things they do and then yell hater, atheist, liar to anyone who presents information that that crumples their belief system.

I want to thank you again for teaching me who real conservatives are.

As a side note it's ok, if you apparently need to berate and assign motives to other people to build your own self esteem, you see I do not need to do that because I am confident in what I beleive. I do get people like you who don't. Simple put, honey, I do not need to tear people down to build myself up.

25 posted on 07/21/2012 2:21:46 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Graybeard58

“John Smith” hahahahahah
nazi - been called that, that was last months word.
Anyone seen the new one - atheist.


26 posted on 07/21/2012 2:26:33 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: newzjunkey
Real conservatives don't go around trying to destroy and belittle anyone over their personal Faith.

Good POINT!

We have a little book we'd like you to read.





Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

27 posted on 07/21/2012 2:36:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian

You are pure hate.


28 posted on 07/21/2012 3:44:01 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: NoLibZone

(You said rather hatefully)


29 posted on 07/21/2012 3:53:55 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
Anyone with half a brain who's been paying attention to what 0bama and his cronies have been doing, knows full well that the islamist bastard needs to go. What more needs to be said about that douche?

OTOH,

This is a CONSERVATIVE forum, not just a "National Security" forum. There are many other issues with which CONSERVATIVES find themselves engaged in based on what they prioritize. The right to life being one of the more vocal.

Romney has shown that he will do that which is politically expedient at the moment in order to secure the votes needed for him to continue his advance.

"They always from their opposition bases solely on "Social Issues" and NEVER about National Security which IMHO trumps all else."

These are the issues that trouble those who are not pro-Romney or AB0. Abortion, 2nd Amendment, homosexuality, healthcare, etc. Romney's record on these is abysmal.

On your last "point", we're just going to have to disagree. IMHO, one's eternal salvation "...trumps all else."

Man may take your life, but the devil will take your soul.

30 posted on 07/21/2012 3:57:09 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Colofornian

Are you a Christian?


31 posted on 07/21/2012 9:35:56 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: Colofornian

Are you a Christian?


32 posted on 07/21/2012 9:36:05 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: NoLibZone

I am in Christ


33 posted on 07/22/2012 12:40:55 AM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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