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GOP activist facing 23 charges of kidnapping, rape [Temple recommended Mormon targeted Lds victims]
KSL.com ^ | July 19, 2012 | Pat Reavy

Posted on 07/21/2012 7:23:50 AM PDT by Colofornian

SALT LAKE CITY — A GOP activist who prosecutors say kidnapped and raped women that he met online and at church functions has been arrested and charged with 23 felonies.

He appears to have targeted mostly LDS young adult women.

Gregory Nathan Peterson, 37, of Orem, was charged Wednesday with seven counts of rape, three counts of object rape, two counts of aggravated kidnapping, nine counts of forcible sexual abuse, forcible sodomy, assault, burglary and sexual battery.

Peterson is a GOP activist who held political events at his cabin in Heber City, 10160 E. Ridge Pine Drive, the same place where prosecutors allege he took at least two of his victims after kidnapping them and then raped them. One of those attacks, according to investigators, happened just one day after a political event.

Peterson's online history

Investigators have identified at least four victims dating back to March of 2011. Peterson met three of the victims on an online dating site and another at a church function, according to the charges.

Prosecutors would not say Thursday which online dating services Peterson used. However, he had profiles on at least two online dating sites, LDSSingles.com and LDSLinkup.com. His last activity on LDSSingles.com was Wednesday before he was arrested.

On his dating profile, in which he used the profile name, "oddsrgoodbutgoodsrodd," Peterson stated that he had a LDS temple recommend and served an mission to Venezuela and also noted in his profile that he "regularly attends church."

"I have an open heart and an open mind, and I've been told that the best relationships on here come when the girl initiates contact with the guy," he wrote. "I have open heart to all situations and circumstances, so long as you want to have a family and bring that family back to God."

Peterson also says in his profile that he's looking for a woman who's into "physical fitness" and is under 35 so he can start a family with her soon.

By Thursday afternoon, Peterson's profile had been taken offline.

Allegations against Peterson

Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill said his office considered filing charges in cases involving five women, but did not have strong enough evidence in one of the incidents.

One of the four women first went to the Wasatch County Attorney's Office but prosecutors there declined to file charges, Gill said. She then went to the Unified Police Department in March, where investigators started putting together pieces of information from several alleged victims.

Once investigators in Salt Lake County began sharing information on the cases, they realized they were all looking at the same person, which made it a stronger case for prosecutors, Gill said.

"I saw a pattern that was not available to (Wasatch County Attorney) Scott (Sweat)," he said. "The strength of four victims coming forward speaks for itself."

But once Salt Lake County detectives realized what was going on, Gill said Wasatch County investigators were helpful in sharing the information they had already collected.

On March 26, 2011, a woman told police she met Peterson at a church function in Draper and agreed to go to a movie with him. As they began driving, however, Peterson went in a different direction than the movie theater. He told the woman he was taking her to his cabin in Heber, the charges state.

When the woman told him to turn around, police say he told her he had a concealed weapons permit and pointed to the car's console.

During the drive, Peterson forced the woman to commit lewd acts and "smacked her across the face" for not doing one correctly, the charges state. He again allegedly "smacked her in the face with his backhand" at the cabin. The woman later told police at that point "she did not want to get hit again and did anything the defendant told her to do."

Peterson pointed out loaded weapons in the room and raped the woman and held her in the cabin overnight, according to the charges.

On July 1, 2011, Peterson hosted about 300 Republican lawmakers — including Sen. Orrin Hatch, Rep. Jason Chaffetz and Gov. Gary Herbert — at his Heber cabin in 2011 for the Rocky Mountain Conservatives annual convention and barbecue. It's an event Peterson has hosted before.

Republican politicians Thursday described Peterson as a conservative activist who made himself out to be more than he really was. They say he took credit for things he didn't do, such as raising hundreds of thousands of dollars for candidates. He tried to give the impression he was wealthy, but they say they doubt that is the case.

On July 2, 2011, prosecutors say Peterson arranged to go to a movie and dinner with another woman he met online. He allegedly drove the woman from Sandy to his cabin in Heber City against her will. Peterson displayed a handgun in his car and threatened to have the woman deported because of an expired visa if she did not cooperate, the charges state.

Peterson allegedly held the woman hostage at his cabin overnight and sexually assaulted her. The next day, he took her to his mother's house in Lewiston, Cache County, where she was held hostage for two days and repeatedly assaulted, according to court documents. He also is accused of verbally assaulting the woman, at times yelling, "When I'm talking to you, look at me!"

Peterson followed the same woman to her Salt Lake County home and sexually assaulted her again, according to the charges.

A third woman said she met Peterson online and went on a lunch date with him on Dec. 11, 2011. When he arrived at her West Jordan residence, he assaulted her, court records state.

On April 21, 2012, a fourth woman who met Peterson online also had a lunch date with him. Prosecutors say Peterson pushed the woman into the bedroom of her Salt Lake home and attempted to assault her.

U.S. marshals arrested Peterson Wednesday night and booked him into the Salt Lake County Jail. He was being held Thursday on $750,000 bail.

Investigators say if there are any other potential victims, they should contact police.

Peterson's history

Meanwhile, Gill said whatever political ties Peterson did or didn't have, had no influence on the charges that were filed.

"I don't care if you're a Democrat, Libertarian, Socialist or Republican. This conduct by itself is serious. I have four victims who have come forward and made some serious allegations. If you violate the law in this fashion in our jurisdiction, you will be prosecuted regardless of who you are or whatever your affiliation may or may not be," he said.

The Utah Rape Recovery Center expressed a similar message in a prepared statement, asking the public to consider the victims, "their needs and the notion that anyone — no matter social, political, economic or religious status — is capable of committing acts of sexual violence."

"These cases show a clear pattern of Mr. Peterson working to win his victims' respect and trust in a deeply conniving way," said Holly Mullen, the center's executive director.

According to Peterson's Facebook page, he has been a certified financial planner and owner of Peterson Wealth Management in Orem since 2007.

Peterson earned a bachelor’s degree in global economy from BYU and an MBA in finance and entrepreneurship from the Marriott School of Management at BYU, where he was a dean’s scholar.

In 2006, Peterson filed for divorce from his wife. The petition was eventually withdrawn. But in 2009 he filed for divorce again and this time the couple went through with it.

On June 12, 2012, a woman filed a civil stalking injunction against Peterson in 3rd District Court and asked for a protective order. On July 9, the injunction was granted. As part of the ruling, Peterson denied the stalking allegations against him but stipulated to the protective order, according to court records.

He also has his own YouTube channel where he posted comedy sketches, including one in which he impersonates President George W. Bush as part of a BYU charity event.

The charges against Peterson include: seven counts of rape, a first-degree felony; three counts of object rape, a first degree felony; two counts of aggravated kidnapping, a first-degree felony; forcible sodomy, a first-degree felony; nine counts of forcible sexual abuse, a second-degree felony; burglary, a second-degree felony; assault, a class B misdemeanor; and sexual battery, a class A misdemeanor.

Contributing: John Daley


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: byu; guiltbyassociation; inman; lds; mormon; mormonapologies; mormonbashing; rape; sexoffenders; slc
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From the Lds-church owned KSL article: A GOP activist who prosecutors say kidnapped and raped women that he met online and at CHURCH functions has been arrested and charged with 23 felonies. He appears to have targeted mostly LDS young adult women. Gregory Nathan Peterson, 37, of Orem, was charged Wednesday with seven counts of rape, three counts of object rape, two counts of aggravated kidnapping, nine counts of forcible sexual abuse, forcible sodomy, assault, burglary and sexual battery. Peterson is a GOP activist who held political events at his cabin in Heber City, 10160 E. Ridge Pine Drive, the same place where prosecutors allege he took at least two of his victims after kidnapping them and then raped them. One of those attacks, according to investigators, happened just one day after a political event...Investigators have identified at least four victims dating back to March of 2011. Peterson met three of the victims on an online dating site and another at a CHURCH function, according to the charges. Prosecutors would not say Thursday which online dating services Peterson used. However, he had profiles on at least two online dating sites, LDSSingles.com and LDSLinkup.com. His last activity on LDSSingles.com was Wednesday before he was arrested. On his dating profile, in which he used the profile name, "oddsrgoodbutgoodsrodd," Peterson stated that he had a LDS temple recommend and served an mission to Venezuela and also noted in his profile that he "regularly attends church."

Pray for the Mormon women who were Greg Peterson's victims -- and please think of them first.

Re: Peterson's association as a fundraiser for Mitt Romney in 2007, please see: Romney, Utah politicians denounce accused rapist's actions in the FR News section.

1 posted on 07/21/2012 7:24:03 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Note: GOP in the headline, GOP in the first sentence, GOP repeated, “Republican(s)” mentioned twice. Why do I get the sense that if this creep had been a dem that “democrat” would not be mentioned once?


2 posted on 07/21/2012 7:35:57 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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To: Colofornian

Prayers for them for sure. But, what does being a GOP activist have to do with it? How large would the newspapers be if they listed every thing that a perp ever had belonged to or had an interest in? Whenever a dem is accused of something it’s never mentioned in the press what the political party is that they belong to. But, let some republican do something and the warnings go out to be wary of those crazy racist, rapist, hateful republicans. Disgusting to say the least. Maybe we should ban political events since they obviously lead some to be raped afterwards.

Helping keep mankind warm for 65 years.


3 posted on 07/21/2012 7:36:14 AM PDT by rktman
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To: bobsatwork

EXACTLY


4 posted on 07/21/2012 7:37:00 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Colofornian
Pray for the Mormon women who were Greg Peterson's victims -- and please think of them first.

How can one think of the victims first when the emphasis is on the GOP Activist? Is there any proof that the politicians he did fundraisers for knew that he was a rapist and said or did nothing?

5 posted on 07/21/2012 7:40:32 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: bobsatwork

Yep. No doubt that “GOP” is the point of this article. My belief is the line has already been drawn in the sand. Most everyone sees what we’re seeing and that Obama and the dem senate is toast this November. The only ones falling for this “GOP,GOP,GOP” crap are already blood sucking libs and there’s no changing them.


6 posted on 07/21/2012 7:42:54 AM PDT by albie
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To: Colofornian

Of course, despite what we know about him, nobody’s talking about how Democrat Activist James Holmes (D-Aurora) murdered 12 people in a Theatre.


7 posted on 07/21/2012 7:45:05 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: bobsatwork; All
Note: GOP in the headline, GOP in the first sentence, GOP repeated, “Republican(s)” mentioned twice. Why do I get the sense that if this creep had been a dem that “democrat” would not be mentioned once?

You know, KSL is a Salt Lake City radio station owned and operated by THE supposedly conservative Mormon church.

(If you think this is slanted "liberal" in any way -- then why don't you ask those who keep defending Romney as "conservative" on the basis that Mormons are supposedly "conservative?")

8 posted on 07/21/2012 7:48:45 AM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: rktman; bobsatwork; All
what does being a GOP activist have to do with it? How large would the newspapers be if they listed every thing that a perp ever had belonged to or had an interest in? Whenever a dem is accused of something it’s never mentioned in the press what the political party is that they belong to. But, let some republican do something and the warnings go out to be wary of those crazy racist, rapist, hateful republicans.

I'm going to give you the same response I just gave Bobsatwork:

You know, KSL is a Salt Lake City radio station owned and operated by THE supposedly conservative Mormon church.

(If you think this is slanted "liberal" in any way -- then why don't you ask those who keep defending Romney as "conservative" on the basis that Mormons are supposedly "conservative?")

Why is it first impulse to protect the rep of the rapist and his associations? [Well, kudos to you -- unlike Bobsatwork -- for at least mentioning first: "Prayers for them for sure"]

9 posted on 07/21/2012 7:51:32 AM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian

It’s really quite shameful how the FR religion forum has been subverted into a vehicle for a handful of frothing mormon-haters.

Now, statistically, wtf other than mormons would you be likely to target in Salt Lake City?


10 posted on 07/21/2012 8:36:01 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama Kills))
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To: Hardraade

How shameful people get on the religion forum to complain about the religion forum.
Hundreds of thread are posted only a few are about mormonism or mormons.


11 posted on 07/21/2012 9:25:07 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Colofornian

“Why is it first impulse to protect the rep of the rapist and his associations?”

Pointing out blatant, severe liberal media bias is not trying to “protect the rep of the rapist”.


12 posted on 07/21/2012 9:33:15 AM PDT by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: Tamzee; rktman; bobsatwork; All
Pointing out blatant, severe liberal media bias is not trying to “protect the rep of the rapist”.

So you claim that the official Mormon church, which officially owns KSL and produced this article, is guilty of "severe liberal media bias?"

Any Mormons agree?

Any Romney supporters agree?

13 posted on 07/21/2012 9:40:38 AM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Hardraade; All
Now, statistically...other than mormons would you be likely to target in Salt Lake City?

Even as of a decade ago -- 43% of SLC was NOT LDS [Source: Olympics put spotlight on Mormon world: "Salt Lake City has a population of about 184,000, and 57 percent are LDS members"."]

I've seen other sources saying roughly the same thing -- that SLC is 55-60% Lds. If it's 55%, you would expect SLC to become less concentrated Lds over the past decade...tho if it's 60% I can believe that, too, given that Lds have larger families and their demographics trend younger.

14 posted on 07/21/2012 9:48:07 AM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Hardraade
It’s really quite shameful how the FR religion forum has been subverted into a vehicle for a handful of frothing mormon-haters.

Yes.

15 posted on 07/21/2012 11:03:41 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Colofornian

Couldn’t they use a larger font to get across the ‘GOP’ connection? geeesh.


16 posted on 07/21/2012 11:23:41 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: svcw

Also, most religion articles are actually about religion, they aren’t news articles reposted as religion articles simply because we know the religion of someone mentioned in the article.


17 posted on 07/21/2012 11:44:31 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Colofornian

When I was LDS there was this man who had raped several women in our Stake (diocese for the Catholics). The Bishops and Stake President covered it up and would just move him to different wards after every rape. The women were threatened with discipline if they reported it.

It happens more than most would think in Mormonism as does the cover up.


18 posted on 07/21/2012 12:00:43 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama.)
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To: Colofornian; All
Since there's no hope for keeping this information in proper context, rather than mouth-frothing agitators stirring hate, division and discontent over loose associations, it's worthless to post and, I'll point out, this article's been posted at least twice now.

I don't know that there's "bias" so as much as an accounting of, gasp, some Republican brown-noser attended and attempted to hold Republican fundraisers, met Republicans in or running for office.

Objectively it's of no real import to the candidates or the party. Politically? You and the Democrats will make hay if perhaps from different angles. For you it's an opportunity to attack the LDS -and- Romney, for them it's an opportunity to attack Romney and other Republicans.

19 posted on 07/21/2012 1:14:36 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Pontius Pilate 'voters' are arrogant, delusional, lilly-livered collaborators.)
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To: newzjunkey

(And so in your first comment on this info, there’s zilch in the way of empathy or compassion or prayers on behalf of the rape victims...and unlike so many of the Holmes threads that had people condemning him in some way, you don’t condemn the accused rapist...does this mean you’re siding with the accused rapist?)


20 posted on 07/21/2012 1:17:03 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian

They sure made a big point that he was a GOP activist, which has nothing to do with his crimes. I hope they throw away the key and make sure this scum never sees the light of day again. He is one small step from a serial killer in my opinion.


21 posted on 07/21/2012 2:39:17 PM PDT by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: Colofornian

“So you claim that the official Mormon church, which officially owns KSL and produced this article, is guilty of “severe liberal media bias?””

No, that is not what I was claiming, I’m claiming the journalist Pat Reavy is guilty of it. I also couldn’t believe that you were seriously accusing fellow posters of trying to protect a rapist’s reputation because they pointed out bias in the repeated and insignificant references to the GOP. I see you were because you again accused someone of siding with the rapist further down the thread. Your accusation is repulsive.


22 posted on 07/21/2012 3:39:56 PM PDT by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: Colofornian

Not all GOP activists are rapists.

Go back to Du where those filled with hate reside.


23 posted on 07/21/2012 3:42:20 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: NoLibZone; All
Not all GOP activists are rapists.

Who made the claim they were?

(You're addressing a straw man argument nobody has claimed)

But for the one who appears to be such a rapist, you're not standing by his side as his advocate, are you?

Should we not condemn rape?
Should we not stand by the victims?
Where are your words of advocacy for the victims?
Why do we only see apparent advocacy for this accused rapist?
This all comes across quite striking as to where your priorities lie (so please address those priorities). Because you're giving off a few hints that your priorities lie with protecting the reputation of GOP activists.

(And if you're going to keep the focus of this thread only on the political links of this story...vs. the criminal justice component and the compassion on behalf of the victims... how is that going to come across to undecided female posters and lurkers reading this thread?)

24 posted on 07/21/2012 4:02:00 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Tamzee; rktman; All
No, that is not what I was claiming, I’m claiming the journalist Pat Reavy is guilty of it.

Per the Deseret News -- which is also owned by the Lds church (many of the DesNews writers' copy winds up @ KSL):
Pat is a police and crime reporter. He interned at KSL Radio in 1989. He was hired by KSL Radio for a part-time position in 1991 and later a full-time position a couple of months later. Pat was hired by the Deseret News in 2000.
Source: Pat Reavy

So Pat Reavy has been employed by either DesNews or KSL for over 20 years. Almost ALL of their long-time journalists -- at least those still with them -- are Mormons...most are conservative Lds.

Do you see how silly you look making unwarranted accusations?

I also couldn’t believe that you were seriously accusing fellow posters of trying to protect a rapist’s reputation because they pointed out bias in the repeated and insignificant references to the GOP

IF that is their ONLY reaction to this story, then, YES, it provides key hints that tends to give off the fragrance of their priorities.

Rktman's post #3 was somebody who -- in his/her very first words -- showed concern for the victims ("Prayers for them for sure") He then went on to express his concerns about GoP references.

I think that was balanced.

In stark contrast, we see people coming onto this thread without nary a concern about either the victims or stating ANYTHING negative about the perpetrator. And their LONE expressive interest seems to be ONLY political -- how it effects the GoP reputation.

That is expressed advocacy for BOTH the GoP AND the rapist.

Where's the balance? Why can't more posters -- like rktman -- at least acknowledge the victims here? When a Holmes thread is posted, ya better believe much of the comments are negative toward the perp from a criminal justice angle.

Yet surprisingly whenever we see Mormon perp stories, there's ALWAYS a cadre of Mormon allies who come on board...100% neglect the victims...100% neglect saying ONE THING NEGATIVE about the perp...and then they proceed to either try to protect MormonISM as a system...or, in the case of this particular thread, try to protect the GoP political system reputation (and/or Romney).

It's frankly quite pathetic. And if this is the "compassion" GoP people display toward female victims of sexual violence, 'tis yet ANOTHER reason I will be leaving the GoP once Romney is officially nominated...and will advocate that OTHERS prayerfully consider doing so as well. (But please: Don't anybody become a Democrat...which is much worse)

25 posted on 07/21/2012 4:19:39 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian

You disgust me. I don’t know what your problem is with Mormons but you are so obsessive that you would probably post an article about a Mormon’s second cousin doing something illegal if it suited your agenda.

And it’s clever of you to post your news items in the religion forum. You’re immune from personal attacks here.

Why not be a big boy and post them in the news forum where the grownups hang out?


26 posted on 07/21/2012 4:28:00 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Colofornian

YOU are accusing other freepers of using strawmen...

YOU are accusing other freepers of unfounded accusations...

YOU are accusing other freepers of being silly...

And YOU are sitting in judgement of other freepers moral values...

Goodbye, have a nice evening.


27 posted on 07/21/2012 4:35:33 PM PDT by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: CharlesWayneCT; svcw
...most religion articles are actually about religion, they aren’t news articles reposted as religion articles simply because we know the religion of someone mentioned in the article.

Well...let's see...per the article: A GOP activist who prosecutors say kidnapped and raped women that he met online and...
at

CHURCH

functions
...has been arrested and charged with 23 felonies. He appears to have...
...targeted mostly

LDS

young adult women.

Peterson met three of the victims on an online dating site and another...
...at a

CHURCH

function...

...according to the charges. Prosecutors would not say Thursday which online dating services Peterson used. However, he had profiles on at least two online dating sites...


...was Wednesday before he was arrested. On his dating profile, in which he used the profile name, "oddsrgoodbutgoodsrodd," Peterson stated that he had...
...a

LDS TEMPLE RECOMMEND and served an MISSION to Venezuela and also noted in his profile that he "regularly attends CHURCH."

Hey, Chuck, I tried to help your discernment level with the all caps and extra-large font.

You see, when a story mentions...
...the Lds church three times...
...an Lds temple recommend...
...a Mormon missionary who served his mission in Venezuela...
...that he targeted LDS women...
...an Lds singles Web site (twice)..
...along with another Lds specific Web site...
...then it qualifies for the

RELIGION

section just like some of the Roman Catholic priest abuse stories have also wound up thru the years on the

RELIGION

section!

[Tell us, Chuck, have you been consistent and ever complain about even ONE of those Roman Catholic abuse stories winding up on the RELIGION section? No? Why not?]

OH...and another article on Peterson also said he attended the Mormon school, BYU.

Bottom line, Chuck: I don't need your "permission" to put an article with at least nine specific religious references in the "Religion" section just because, per your level of discernment, you don't quite think it qualified as being "religious" enough...

28 posted on 07/21/2012 4:38:30 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Jean S
And it’s clever of you to post your news items in the religion forum.

Post #28 applies to you as well...

29 posted on 07/21/2012 4:39:52 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian
Post #28 applies to you as well...

You are such a chicken. Post your news articles in the news forum rather than hiding behind the protection of the religion forum.

30 posted on 07/21/2012 4:45:26 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Tamzee; NoLibZone; All
YOU are accusing other freepers of using strawmen...

NoLibZone said: "Not all GOP activists are rapists." -- and I simply requested him to name any single post or poster on this thread who made such an accusation!

So...I was merely responding to NoLibZone's accusation (#23) that somebody here was coloring all GoP activists as rapists.

Get your accusation ducks in order...here...Or, since you've now come to NoLibZone's defense, are YOU now echoing NoLibZone's accusation? Which post? Which poster? Or is it the article itself?

YOU are accusing other freepers of being silly...

Well, yes, you are...You claimed in post#12 -- which you clarified in post #22 as to whom who were talking about -- that a 20+ year journalist of the Lds church owned KSL/DesNews was "guilty" of "blatant, severe liberal media bias".

Any Mormons or those in Utah want to go on the record with any info that ANY of the Lds church owned media journalists are "blatant, severe liberals?"

YOU are accusing other freepers of unfounded accusations...

Well, don't just accuse away with a generic accusation (Prove it!)

And YOU are sitting in judgement of other freepers moral values...

Which means YOU are sitting in judgment of my moral values expressed on this thread -- something you just accused me of...If that is so bad, then don't ever accuse Obama of doing anything immoral...or don't accuse the pro-abort people of doing anything immoral...and stop making such accusations yourself...because you've just refuted yourself in doing the exact thing you accuse me of!

What are we to do...Listen to what you preach ("Don't" discern "moral values of others") ... Or what you practice (judging my moral values)????

31 posted on 07/21/2012 4:51:21 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Jean S
You are such a chicken. Post your news articles in the news forum rather than hiding behind the protection of the religion forum.

I DID post two news articles today -- one on this very Peterson story Romney, Utah politicians denounce accused rapist's actions [the other story was: Former Boy Scout leader sent to prison for making child porn].

I haven't seen your comments in siding with the perps on those threads yet...What? Were you just ignorant these were posted in the News section; or is it a courage shortfall issue on your part????

Please...go bump those threads and express your perp advocacy there!!!

32 posted on 07/21/2012 4:56:45 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian
Please...go bump those threads and express your perp advocacy there!!!

What in the heck are you talking about? perp advocacy? That comment makes no sense.

Kudos for posting some of you anti-Mormon threads in news. This one belongs there too. Thanks for your time.

33 posted on 07/21/2012 5:11:35 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: MuttTheHoople

Nobody?
Where do you live in a vacuum?


34 posted on 07/21/2012 5:38:20 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Colofornian

I genuinely believe you are ill and don’t think it would serve either one of us to continue the discussion.

Best wishes to you.


35 posted on 07/21/2012 6:01:08 PM PDT by Tamzee (Thomas Jefferson - "Every difference of opinion is not a difference of principle.")
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To: NoLibZone

Who said they were?
Name names if that is the case.
Go back to Du?
What is that an ice cream parlor?
I have an idea, why not dispute the evidence presented that this GOP activist, who is a mormon. is not a rapist as shown.
Is he not a GOP activist is that part of the story incorrect?
Is he not a mormon is that part of the story incorrect?
Are the authors of the story not an lds owned conglomerate?
Just which part is incorrect that would apparently cause such agitation on your part?
Are you as agitated when stories are posted about Catholics, Baptist or say Lutherans are posted?
Is this a special case because a particular candidate you maybe supporting also happens to have the same belief system?
Why is it that this apparently bothers you above all else?


36 posted on 07/21/2012 6:17:33 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Jean S

Hum?
Jane one has to wonder what your problem is with posting articles about rapists who are identified many times by his religion in the story in the religion forum.
If you have a problem with the category ask the admins to move it somewhere else.
The larger question is why you are apparently focused on the poster of the thread and not the victims of the crime directly and the black mark it leaves on the GOP.
Where is your concern for the people involved?
It seems that you could do one of several things if you chose, either re-post in the news section or find a related story and post it in the news section or complain to the admins to move the story.......by just posting and complaining is really not very adult like.


37 posted on 07/21/2012 6:24:11 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Jean S

Jean, you are interesting.
There have been four (maybe more) stories posted in various threads about perps, yet you seem to be only focused on the poster not the victims who apparently are mostly mormons.
Why is that?


38 posted on 07/21/2012 6:27:36 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Tamzee

Go ahead and continue your false accusations, false conclusions, and ad hominen personal attacks, that’s all that’s in your hostile arsenal.


39 posted on 07/21/2012 6:40:54 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: svcw

Oooh, colofornian has backup. Good for him.
I have no time for you, thanks for your input and have a nice day.


40 posted on 07/21/2012 7:06:33 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Colofornian

Say what you will, Mormons make great neighbors!


41 posted on 07/21/2012 7:17:33 PM PDT by Gamecock (We don't come to Christ to be born again; rather, we are born again in order to come to Christ. RCS)
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To: Jean S

Thank you so much Jean for ignoring the point of the thread and having no compassion for the victims.
It is sad you apparently do not care about mormons or others being abused but you do care it seems a great deal about who posts what and subjects you are offended by.


42 posted on 07/21/2012 7:51:25 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: newzjunkey

I made the mistake of stumbling into two of these threads. I was able to get the mods to delete my posts to the one thread, but forgot this one, so I’m getting sucked back in by the haters.

It’s best to ignore them.


43 posted on 07/21/2012 8:01:50 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Colofornian

Well, you are now attacking freepers, and elsewhere you suggested that they were “defending” rapists.

And as a practical matter, it makes NO difference to the victims of this horrific crime whether people discussing it here state some boilerplate sympathy for the victims. This is a conservative web site to discuss issues and try to get conservatives elected and advance conservative principles.

It’s not a place for people to worry about political correctness. Sorry if we don’t argue points the way YOU want, but that’s the way it is.


44 posted on 07/21/2012 8:07:17 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Gamecock
Say what you will, Mormons make great neighbors

Well, some of my Mormon extended family makes for fine relatives...but not sure how relevant to thread...If you ask these four-plus Mormon victims of sexual violence, some Mormon men -- at least this one -- make themself {themselves} to be the "date" from hell.

45 posted on 07/21/2012 8:11:07 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian
Tell us, Chuck, have you been consistent and ever complain about even ONE of those Roman Catholic abuse stories winding up on the RELIGION section?

I didn't complain, I explained why someone might react the way they did to the post. Explaining is not complaining -- if I didn't think the thread belonged, I'd hit abuse and let the moderators decide.

I ignore the threads about catholic abuse -- heck, I ignore religion threads here as much as possible, since they became open grounds for hatred and division. SOmeone thinks they are doing the Lord's work, and who am I to judge, but I don't see it, I find it offensive and disturbing, but while it seems to be allowed to take potshots at people now, I'd rather not get into these arguments, so I just want to stay away.

I sometimes get tricked because the threads are so clearly political that I miss that people are playing the "religion" game.

46 posted on 07/21/2012 8:16:04 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT; Jean S; svcw; Tamzee; Tammy8; rktman; bobsatwork; albie; NormsRevenge; arasina; ...
CharlesWayneCT, Post #44: And as a practical matter, it makes NO difference to the victims of this horrific crime whether people discussing it here state some boilerplate sympathy for the victims. This is a conservative web site to discuss issues and try to get conservatives elected and advance conservative principles. It’s not a place for people to worry about political correctness. Sorry if we don’t argue points the way YOU want, but that’s the way it is.

You know, lurkers to a given Web site discussion DO nab a good glimpse of priorities/focus of posters. I'm not talking about every single post -- but a sense of the corporate/collective "sense" of what's being emoted.
Are they provoked about a criminal?
Are they moved with compassion for victims?
Are they wanting to protect the GoP reputation with the oft-knee jerk reaction of blaming the liberal media -- or, the other convenient trick, just blaming the messenger -- the person who posted it?

Actually, that's what Svcw addressed in post#38 to Jean S: ...you seem to be only focused on the poster not the victims who apparently are mostly mormons. Why is that

What we've seen in this "microcosm" of thread dynamics of this sort is several posters (posts 2-->23) attempted to blame "liberal" Mormon journalists! (That was a rather strange position to find myself in...Me defending the conservative components of Lds journalists/editors @ KSL/Deseret News!)

When that tactic didn't work, posters took to attacking me -- many for simply posting this thread. There were 10 such posts between from posts #17 --> 44.

You can review 21 of these categorized comments in the chart below...
[I subtracted my comments, the James Holmes unrelated comments (#7, #34), and the tactical questions by svcw and CharlesWayneCT (#37, 38, 46)]... Hence, although I agree in part re: Chuck's reference to a "boilerplate" re: comments...or "political correctness" not being honored...this thread has made for a "good microcosm" of the dynamics of the "turf" posters felt the need to either protect -- or attack.

We actually see this same pattern expanded and exercised DAILY on FR on MANY threads!

THREAD FOCUS DYNAMICS MICROCOSM (Posts 2-->44)

Posts attempting to convince others that Lds church owned KSL/Deseret News presented 'liberal' slant Posts focusing on Defending GoP reputation Posts focusing on Colofornian -- primarily for posting this thread Posts focusing on MormonISM Posts focusing on Romney Posts focusing with perp-specific comments Posts focusing on victims
21 overall Posts reviewed: # of sub-topics covered in these posts: 9 (43%) 9 (43%) 10 (48%) 4 (19%) 1 (5%) 1 (5%) 1 (5%)
Which post #s tallied above? 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 12, 16, 21, 22 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 16, 21, 22, 23 17, 19, 22, 23, 26, 27, 28, 29, 35, 44 11, 18, 19, 41 19 21 3

This chart also readily addresses two questions Jean S asked in post #33: What in the heck are you talking about? perp advocacy? That comment makes no sense.

* When you see that there were 10 negative comments made about the thread poster -- and only one negative comment specifically made about the perp (Tammy8 in post #21), that is by sheer vacuum "perp advocacy." That is outright failure to condemn rape...
...and instead winds up turning ALL negative attention from the perp to the thread poster who shines a light on the perp (commonly known as "shooting the messenger.")

Instead of distancing themselves from an immoral GoP activist racist, they instead prefer to distance themselves morally from the thread poster.

Very interesting group psychology exercised here.

Likewise...
* When there is only a terse six-word focus on the victims (by Rktman) very early in the thread -- and only prompted by my comment in post #1 -- whereas nine attempts to protect the GoP by blaming the source (KSL/DesNews)...
...THAT is turning the attention from the victims to placing the blame on the media source that cast its light on this GoP activist! (also commonly known as "shooting the messenger")

LURKERS:
Want a compassionate unbiased conservatism that won't "knee-jerk" in putting political reputations above justice; above compassion and concern for the victims? (Well, it's getting MUCH harder to find in the GoP representation we're seeing on FR!!!)

47 posted on 07/21/2012 9:21:31 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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Correcting a typo in last post: Instead of distancing themselves from an immoral GoP activist rapist, [not racist] they instead prefer to distance themselves morally from the thread poster.
48 posted on 07/21/2012 9:26:14 PM PDT by Colofornian (Saying Mitt would keep past political promises is like prophesying that Gumby won't bend anymore)
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To: Colofornian

A chart?

You have lost your mind.

Truly .

Get help for your hate.

You damage the site.


49 posted on 07/21/2012 9:31:18 PM PDT by NoLibZone (We must get down on our knees each day and thank God that McCain/Palin didn't win in '08. Right?)
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To: Colofornian

My first post made no comment about the thread poster, just my opinion about the general religion thread vs this particular thread.

I attacked you in another post, because you suggested that a freeper was sympathising with rapists. I’ve seen comments like that from time to time, but not on this thread — in context, the argument was simply an attempt to make people address the issue the way you wanted, by slandering them.

If this was news-activism, I’d discuss more why people might react negatively to the post; since it is a religion thread, I’ll let them do so if they wish.

I would say that, having done so much of the research, and having found that most of the thread posters reacted quite negatively to the thread, rather than as you wanted them to react, you might want to take that into account in your future postings, if you are bothered by what other freepers think about what you are posting.

I’m not saying you should care what other people think, just that you appear to be quite concerned about it, and if you are, maybe you should take a lesson by the harsh negative reaction you get to some of your posts.

I don’t think the mormon faith is a christian faith. As such, from a religious perspective, i see the danger in the appeal of such a religion to misguide people from the truth. As a presbyterian, I feel God has already chosen whom he will chose, so I fear more for my relationship with God than I do that one who would be saved might miss out because some non-christian faith might do too good a job.

Clearly others feel it is important to create a harshly negative opinion of this particular religion, and feel compelled to use any means necessary.

But this being a conservative site, and knowing that there are many good conservatives who vote for our cause, and are socially and politically part of the solution, who are followers of religions other than the true faith, I don’t feel the same compulsion to spend energy here attacking someone’s religion.

But some do, and I really need to remember to just ignore the hate-threads.


50 posted on 07/21/2012 10:22:55 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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