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Posted on 07/21/2012 8:17:22 AM PDT by marktwain
The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld Georgia's law that bans guns in places of worship.
The decision came on an appeal filed by a Thomaston minister who challenged the relatively new Georgia law that eliminated the "public places," but specifically listed where firearms are prohibited to eight places, which included places of worship such as churches, synagogues and masques.
The preacher said the ban forced him to choose between two constitutional protections — the First Amendment guaranteeing freedom to worship how he pleased and the Second Amendment right to carry arms.
A federal judge in Columbus upheld that portion of the law and the appeals court in Atlanta agreed with Judge Clay Land.
Judge Gerald Tjoflat, writing for a unanimous three-judge panel, said GeorgiaCarry.org's argument that the law is unconstitutional "badly misses the mark.
" We conclude that the Second Amendment does not give an individual a right to carry a firearm on a place of worship's premises against the owner's wishes because such right did not pre-exist the Amendment's adoption," Tjoflat wrote. "Enforcing the Carry Law against a license holder who carries a firearm on private property against the owner's instructions would therefore be constitutional."
“We conclude that the Second Amendment does not give an individual a right to carry a firearm on a place of worship’s premises against the owner’s wishes”
Idiots. The individual in question IS the owner.
The only way this ruling makes sense is if the court has declared the state owns houses of worship.
Texas had that policy and the robbers took advantage by robbing the offerings on Sunday. The policy was abolished and the robberies on Sunday ended.
Un-FRIKIN-believable!!!
Did these "English-as-a-2nd-Language" Jurists graduate with Dear Leader at "Haw-vad?"
I've seen uber-lib, activists Judges twist the language into a pretzel in order to justify their moronic rulings (SEE: John Roberts) but this one takes the cake.
Can't believe an appeal would not be a "slam dunk?"
This goes back to medieval times, I believe, with attenders required to disarm before entering what was then a legitimate sanctuary.
Churches are no longer (in the US anyway) considered a legal sanctuary, so the idea of disarming is moot.
As a pastor (in an otherwise liberal denomination), I object to this. Any large gathering should have armed members in attendance for safety’s sake.
Islamics murdered just in Nigeria last month nearly 100 in multiple attacks on churches.
They don’t like churches.
I’m glad my house isn’t in Georgia. I couldn’t legally have a gun in my own home, which is definitely a place of worship.
Interesting. Especially since early colonists in the Americas were required BY LAW to bring their firearms to church or be fined.
In the middle ages in Britain they were required to bring their bows and arrows to church and practice afterwards.
In the Commonwealth of Virginia, AG Cuccinelli opined that the law allowed anyone with a need to CCW in a House of Worship. This has not been challenged.
Our government is just setting up kill zones for crooks and wackos. They only go where they know they will be safe to rob and kill, and yes they prefer their victims to be unarmed.
Our government is just setting up kill zones for crooks and wackos. They only go where they know they will be safe to rob and kill, and yes they prefer their victims to be unarmed.
More details about the decision. It is not as draconian as first implied:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2909005/posts
Source? English archers were drawn from common stock, but were a specialized force. Show me where citizens of the crown were required to bring bows to the church. I’m not saying you are wrong, but there is reason to be skeptical
***Show me where citizens of the crown were required to bring bows to the church.***
Here. LONGBOW by Robert Hardy, page 129. Longbow practice required every religious feast day.
And page 119. “Trained from their boyhood by constant practice at the bowmarks that were fixed near every parish church,....”
Another king required bow practice every Holyday.
It makes mention of the scratches on the church walls where the archers sharpened their points.
And Here...THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. Report of the SUBCOMMITTEE ON THE CONSTITUTION (97th Congress) Feb 1982.
Also delves into the requirement that the 1631 law in Virginia required colonists to engage in target practice on Sunday and to “bring their pieces to church”. Page 3
And here in the same book, Historical Basis of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms by David T Hardy.
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