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Atheist group rebukes Obama over prayer for Batman shooting victims
Washington Examiner ^ | 7/20/2012 | Joel Gehrke

Posted on 07/21/2012 1:58:23 PM PDT by markomalley

“May the Lord bring them comfort and healing in hard days to come,” President Obama said at the end of his speech today, referring to the victims of the Batman shooting in Colorado and their families. By doing so, he “ben[t] the rules” against government establishing a religion, according to the Center for Secular Humanism.

“I think it’s a little unfortunate,” CSH director Tom Flynn told The Washington Examiner. “Even in a situation like this, [when] he leads a public prayer to a deity that it pretty recognizably the Christian God, much as you can understand the emotional context of it, he’s still sending to some degree a message of exclusion to other religions who don’t call their god “Lord” and to non-religious Americans.”

“By the very act of praying, that’s a message of exclusion,” he continued. “If I’m a public official, I think I’m going to look around in the morning and conclude that, ‘hey, this religion thing is just too hot to handle, I should stay away from it in my official capacity.’”

Flynn was sympathetic to the president’s position, though. “I can understand the extraordinary nature of this situation in Colorado and why President Obama might have felt really moved to bend the rules this time, but you really can’t.”

Yesterday, Flynn rebuked Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack for saying that he was “praying for rain” at a White House event. “For a Cabinet official to recommend prayer as a solution or call attention to his own devotions may violate the Constitution’s prohibition against establishment of religion,” he said in a statement.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: bho44; liberalfascism; obamaandgod; prayer

1 posted on 07/21/2012 1:58:31 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

I can’t stand Obama. but this is just plain horseshiite. The man was doing what Presidents are supposed to do when things like this happen. These morons would be better seved by going after the President for his numerous other failings. There is a special place reserved in hell for these clowms.


2 posted on 07/21/2012 2:01:40 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: markomalley

The Secular Humanists should merge with the Westboro Baptist Church. They have a lot in common, including the determination to be total assholes while everyone else is in mourning.


3 posted on 07/21/2012 2:03:11 PM PDT by montag813
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To: markomalley

When will your time come, when you are REALLY sick of these people? Mine has long passed.


4 posted on 07/21/2012 2:11:07 PM PDT by duckman (Dr Ben Carlson: Vision Not Division.)
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To: markomalley

Atheists need not worry. It was not a real prayer. It was a PINO (prayer in name only).


5 posted on 07/21/2012 2:15:28 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great; until it happens to YOU.)
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Obama bows down to Saudi King | American Thinker | April 02, 2009 | Clarice Feldman | Posted on 04/02/2009 8:19:47 AM PDT by rdb3
Obama bows down to Saudi King | American Thinker | April 02, 2009 | Clarice Feldman | Posted on 04/02/2009 8:19:47 AM PDT by rdb3

6 posted on 07/21/2012 2:21:24 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: markomalley

They shouldn’t worry too much - never happened before, won’t happen again. I bet the words choked out of his throat like an old sock.


7 posted on 07/21/2012 2:21:49 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: markomalley

They shouldn’t worry too much - never happened before, won’t happen again. I bet the words choked out of his throat like an old sock.


8 posted on 07/21/2012 2:22:07 PM PDT by bboop (Without justice, what else is the State but a great band of robbers? St. Augustine)
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To: markomalley

Uh, how should I pray for these atheists who believe in “No God”?

May “No God” have mercy on them?

Wonder if I worded that correctly according to their beliefs?

Blessings, Bobo


9 posted on 07/21/2012 2:37:55 PM PDT by bobo1
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To: markomalley

By doing so, he “ben[t] the rules” against government establishing a religion, according to the Center for Secular Humanism.

If you believe this statement you are truly a dumbass..


10 posted on 07/21/2012 2:38:43 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: markomalley

My feeling is that these individuals are not true Atheists but are Anti-theists because a true Atheist could not care less about a god they feel does not exist. Anti-theists know God does exist and they are against him.


11 posted on 07/21/2012 2:40:26 PM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: jesseam

That should be against Him, not him


12 posted on 07/21/2012 2:43:16 PM PDT by jesseam (eliev)
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To: markomalley

Flynn say there is no God yet if someone prays to God he gets pissed. Why?


13 posted on 07/21/2012 2:45:59 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: markomalley

This post is somewhat a contraction in terms, because I believe giving these atheists any kind of forum or even permitting their story to be published gives them legitimacy and they deserve nothing whatsoever!


14 posted on 07/21/2012 3:20:34 PM PDT by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: markomalley

Tom, I’m having trouble finding those rules you say forbid Barry to do what he did. Little help here?


15 posted on 07/21/2012 3:37:35 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon...and man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: markomalley

Of course one should expect a group of soulless heathens to fail to understand or appreciate a gesture of compassion of any kind. Atheists tend to be perpetually pissed off about something 24/7. I say let it continue.. it gives them a sense of purpose.


16 posted on 07/21/2012 3:59:33 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: markomalley
Baal will lead you to nowhere Tom, trust me on this.

5.56mm

17 posted on 07/21/2012 4:01:46 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: SECURE AMERICA

My question exactly.. if their comfortable in their non-belief in God, what`s with the insecurity when others DO pray?

Sounds more to me like, just as with other pressure groups, the godless are simply looking for ways to complicate the lives of everyone else.


18 posted on 07/21/2012 4:06:24 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Buying Drain-O requires photo I.D... yet voting doesn't???)
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To: markomalley

I kept looking and looking for the semi news-semi satire line but I couldn’t find it. If this is for real the person quoted needs a big swift kick to the butt.


19 posted on 07/21/2012 4:11:26 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: markomalley
It's freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. You don't have to agree with it or participate in it, but as American citizens we tolerate the legitimate rights of others.
20 posted on 07/21/2012 5:25:17 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties, we prize and our rights we will maintain ... USS Iowa BB 61)
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To: markomalley; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; HossB86; ...

These foolish souls must imagine that the US was founded by atheists who all had the same animosity towards the Christian faith (not simply its corruptions), and operated out of the same objectively baseless moral reasoning as themselves.

Article 52 of the constitution of the Soviet Union (1977) stated, “In the USSR, the church is separated from the state, and the school from the church,” which is not actually possible in the ideological sense, and which meant that atheistic ideology would be the functional replacement for the void left by religion.

ACLU (atheists compelled legislation union) types seek the same, supposing that is what the 1st Amendment means, even though for over 150 years afterwards this is not what it was understood to mean (nor a theocracy).

Instead, and Presidents often invoked the Bible and offered prayers, and most schools had religious instruction, and even Jefferson and Vice President Aaron Burr and Madison attended a camp meeting-style exhortation in the House in 1806, by a female evangelist, Dorothy Ripley. (http://www.conservapedia.com/Separation_of_church_and_state http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/CauseEffect.html)

But as a certain esteemed President said,

WHEREAS, The Senate of the United States; devoutly recognizing the Supreme authority and just government of Almighty God in all the affairs of men and nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.

And Whereas, it is the duty of nations, as well as of men, to owe their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon, and to recognize the sublime truth announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.

And, insomuch as we know that, by His Divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment inflicted upon us for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People. We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth, and power as no other nation has ever grown.

But we have forgotten God.

We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!

It behooves us, then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.

Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting, and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.

All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope, authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand, and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this thirtieth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty seventh.

Abraham Lincoln, President

William H Seward,

Secretary of State

The Senate resolution requesting the president to proclaim a day for “national prayer and humiliation” was introduced by Senator James Harlan on March 2, and adopted on March 3, 1863. http://peacebyjesus.witnesstoday.org/ProclamationNationalFastDay.html


21 posted on 07/21/2012 6:15:18 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: markomalley

Another violation of supporting religious ethos here:

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A 9-year-old boy with a massive tumor was whisked from a dangerous neighborhood in Mexico in an armored vehicle by U.S. agents and taken across the border for treatment in New Mexico, his family said.

The boy and his parents were snatched Thursday from the gang-infested neighborhood in Ciudad Juarez — one of the deadliest cities in the world — after members of a New Mexico Baptist church saw him near an orphanage and sought help.

Si Budagher, pastor of First Baptist Church of Rio Rancho, N.M., said church members spotted the boy while doing missionary work and felt compelled to help him.

“He just came up to us and offered to carry groceries,” Budagher said. “The Lord put him in front of us.” - http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/homeland-security-takes-boy-with-big-tumor-from-dangerous-mexican-city-to-nm-for-treatment/2012/07/20/gJQAnCFgyW_story.html


22 posted on 07/21/2012 6:32:17 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a damned+morally destitute sinner,+trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: markomalley

Did they rebuke B0 over this?

Obama commemorates start of Ramadan


23 posted on 07/21/2012 6:38:12 PM PDT by Zuse
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To: markomalley

Did they rebuke B0 over this?

Obama commemorates start of Ramadan


24 posted on 07/21/2012 6:46:50 PM PDT by Zuse
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25 posted on 07/21/2012 8:13:31 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93destr)
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To: bobo1

I can’t speak for how you should pray for them, but our prayer group frequently prays to the Holy Spirit to shower His graces on them for the conversion of their souls.


26 posted on 07/21/2012 8:41:28 PM PDT by rwa265 ("This is My Beloved Son, Listen to Him.")
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To: markomalley

This Flynn guy has no idea what the Constitution means by the “establishment of religion” clause. All he has to do is read the other documents from the founding of our country to realize that we have freedom OF religion here, not FROM religion. Just because some want to deny the reality of the Creator doesn’t mean everyone else MUST also. Give it a rest, Flynn! No one’s forcing you to believe anything.


27 posted on 07/21/2012 9:07:45 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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