Skip to comments.Shooter Took Prescription Drug Before Attack
Posted on 07/21/2012 5:05:35 PM PDT by nightlight7
First responders to the Aurora theater shooting at first thought the shooter was a fellow officer, and the shooter had taken 100mg of Vicodin about two and half hours before the shooting, according to information from sources.
Vicodin doesn’t come in anything resembling a 100 mg dose. I have no idea what they are talking about
2nd time today Ive seen reference to this dopey report.
It's probably a formulaic extrapolation from a blood test, i.e. his blood measured X-level of Vicodin 30 minutes ago, and X-level of Vicodin an hour ago, therefore he must have consumed X-amount X-hours ago.
We must ban Vicodin! /s
It was a prescription drug! We must ban prescription drugs!
Niether do they.
I like your train of thought. While we’re at it, we must ban Pharmacies and doctors too!
Well it didn’t say 100mg pill, it said 100mg of. So you could easily take 10 10mg pills.
Ban guns and prescription drugs! /s
So you can’t take multiple pills that are 10mg a piece?
and salt, sugary drinks, and kids on skateboards!
10- 10mg vicodin = 100 mg.
No, the story indicates that Holmes himself "told" the arresting officers that he'd taken "100 mg" of "Vicodin."
So, either Holmes didn't know what he'd taken, or the cops misunderstood what he told them, or the reporter's source that communicated this information screwed up, or the reporter misunderstood what he or she was told by the source. It could be anything . . . or nothing.
Given the quality of the press today, Holmes could have told the cops that he'd bitten head off a live bat beforehand, and this is how it got reported.
There are good articles, new stuff at the sideline of this article. Like
Neighbors Share Chilling Details Of Holmes, His Behavior
This is what is driving me nuts about the media coverage. So many "facts" that are not even remotely true, and could be figured out with just a little brainpower, and listening to what was actually reported.
No, he wasn't a medical student.
No, he wasn't a 52 year old Tea Party member.
No, he didn't take 100mg of vicodin.
No, he didn't buy a ticket wearing full body armor.
No, he didn't say "I'm the Joker" while shooting.
All these hundreds of stories about him are giving him exactly what he wants, attention.
He’s a murderer and deserves to rot in the pit of hell.
LOL.....maybe “House” can take 100 mg, but...no way “Holmes”.
How come the emergency door he propped open, was not detected by theater employees?
It’s the oldest ploy in the book to open the emergency door to let friends in who have not paid. Easy to arrange with cell phones.
So either the emergency door should have sounded an alarm, or should have been monitored be employees.
Of course this bastard knew that he could pull this off because he rehearsed door propping earlier.
Hes a murderer and deserves to rot in the pit of hell.
lol Are you kidding? You think taking ten 10mg of Vicodin would make you comatose? No.
Especially if you’re used to taking them everyday or you’re addicted to them.
Possibly he knew the alarm was disabled, or that it would be ignored for whatever reason. Being the apparent Batman and comic book hero geek that he’s purported to be, he’s no stranger to movie theaters and possibly knows that particular multiplex well, it’s only four miles or so from his apartment.
This evil perp was brilliant. In addition to all of the rest of his preparations, he took enough painkiller that he could continue shooting people despite receiving wounds that would otherwise cause debilitating pain.
I don’t know his motive, but it is clear that he was very thorough in his preparation. It is as if he sat down and war-gamed shootings with a goal of just seeing how long he could keep shooting and how many people he could just impact.
My hat is off to him. Brilliant.
You never want brilliant and evil to intersect. You want evil to join stupid, so it has less impact. Evil and driven is bad enough. But when evil and driven have brilliant behind them, you get what we got in Aurora CO.
I would not want to be him when he stands before the Lord Christ for a long bitter discussion. All the Vicodin in the world will not dimple the crushing pain that will wrack his immortal soul when he stands before Christ and Christ says “you know what you did”. I pity him that.
In the meantime, a long parade of school teachers, Hollywood producers, journalists, and atheists all played a role in the creating this demonic monster.
Signal to noise, so much static that anything out of the ordinary is rejected. Clintons used it to great effect, so much unbelievability swirling about them that the brazen truth was rejected as a lie, too.
Vicodin usually comes in 5 or 7.5 mg pills. Rare do you find 10mg. So he took about 15-20 pills. Cripes.
I’ve known people with terminal cancer who could have all they want and doubt any of them took 100mg in 16-18 hrs.
Since ‘vicodin’ is hydrocodone with acetaminophen, it’s possible some Dumas reporter or LEO just got the facts wrong.
And that's not even considering the acetominaphen, like the others have said.
My grandmother in her 80’s takes 3-5 10mg pills a day. It’s her tolerance to them that brought her to that level, especially common for those that are long term pain sufferers and have been prescribed this type of narcotic for long periods of time. She weighs a mere 110lbs and will be on them for the duration of her life. She started at 5mg some years ago, and it is up to the 10mg now, every four hours if needed. It doesn’t have the effect someone new to the pill would get.
Taking 10 10mg or 15-20 lower dose pills at one time would affect cognition I believe and if he did it to stay upright if taking hits it was probably methodically planned with tolerance levels built up. Just like the rest of his pre-planning that seemed long term. I personally think taking 100mg at one time, one could expect difficulty with breathing, seeing in the dark, and staying awake. If he was accustomed to them and built a tolerance level, he may have gotten a bit of a high or euphoria from taking them in that quantity.
I’m telling you people who are addicted or who are used to taking them can easily take ten pills. Five at one time, then a few hours later take another five.
It’s not gonna send you into a coma or kill your liver....at least not right away. If you do this over a period of time yes of course. Lets say this idiot was used to popping five to six pain killers a day. It wouldn’t knock him out to up the dosage a few pills for this one “special” occasion.
I had a cousin who spent thousands a month on pain killers because she’d take around 7 or 8 a day, and Vicodin isn’t even the strongest of pain killers.
Wrong, they commonly are prescribed in 5 mg, 7.5 mg, and 10 mg depending on your pain and the willingness of the doctor.
I’ve seen loser pain pill addicts able to con a doctor into giving them 10 mg.
It was something, anything related to the killings! We MUST ban Something, ANYTHING!!
So it was the AMA and NOT the NRA (as the New Yawk Daily Snooze ‘editorial board’ claims) who was “standing beside” Holmes when he was killing those people?
Not to mention college age adults get them illegally all of the time. Finding someone selling 10 mg of Vicodin would not be hard for this loser especially if he’s meeting people online for group sex etc.
I asked a doper (since I’m sure there are none on FR), and he’s never taken 100 at a time but has taken 90, and knows of addicts who probably do 500mg in 24 hrs! Given varying individual tolerances, 100 is possible in one survivable dose, though I’m still skeptical one could function very well.
Learn something new every day...
Exactly. At this point, we know little for certain other than that this coward killed a lot of innocent people while dressed to protect himself. 'Course if he did indeed tell authorities he took that much vicodin, he could just be attempting a little CYA, in advance of a pharamaceutical Twinkies defense.
I used 1 pill with the first and 1 pill with the second.
I preferred the pain quite frankly so I quit using them. They are all around here somewhere, but Vicodin is not a joke.
That’s roughly 3250 mg to 5000 mg of acetaminophen, or up to 10 max strength Tylenol. The narcotic isn’t going to be what kills you. Plus, if he took it in th 5 mg dose, that would be 10000 mg. dead or nearly dead any way you pop it. This story is BS.
What is the maximum dosage for vicodin? In what milligram dosages are tablets available?
“Vicodin strengths come in 500mg, 660, and 750mg, the maximum dosage for this medication is 1-2 pills every 4-6 hours depending on severity of pain and that information changes with the max dosage allowable for the adult... which is not to exceed 1gram (1000mg)per dose/or 4 grams (4000)mg per day...”
Those numbers include the acetaminophen but don’t give the amount of hydrocodone.
Vicodin contains a combination of acetaminophen and hydrocodone.
Usual Adult Dose for Pain
1 tablet (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 500 mg-5 mg) orally every 6 hours as needed or
10 mL (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 333 mg-5 mg) oral elixir every 6 hours as needed or
15 mL (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 325 mg-10 mg) oral solution every 4 to 6 hours as needed or
15 mL (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 500 mg-10 mg) oral elixir every 4 to 6 hours as needed.
11.25 mL (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 300 mg-10 mg) oral elixir every 4 to 6 hours as needed.
Many different combination dosage forms of acetaminophen-hydrocodone are commercially available. In general, combinations with 5 mg of hydrocodone are given 1 to 2 doses every 4 to 6 hours, up to 8 doses per day. Combinations containing 7.5 or 10 mg of hydrocodone are given once every 4 to 6 hours, up to 5 or 6 doses per day (depending on how much acetaminophen they contain).
This “fact” is about as relevant as whether the killer ate cereal for breakfast or had eggs instead on the morning of the crime.
OK, thanks for the dosage explanation.
I knew about the tylenol issue.
I know people who take large amounts of pain killers. It certainly screws up their life.
I heard he injected himsself with vicodin on the news.
Maybe they meant Oxycontin. The delayed release tab comes in various amounts of Oxyxodone, up to 80 mg max.
What about banning movie theaters and schools?
Other pain med preparations especially oxycodone, have 325mg acetaminophen for this reason.
I didn't think it was "impossible" to take 100mgs of high dose vicodin, just unlikely. He might have been ok doing it once, but chronically? His liver would be damaged at that level.
My guess is he probably said he took some vicodin and "estimated" 100mg. Then the story was off and running.
HMMM. Interesting, the news is lying, covering up - surely they could get that one med he took correctly if they wanted to.
Wonder if they told him or he had the Rx bottle on him.