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Shooter Took Prescription Drug Before Attack
Denver Chan. 7 News ^ | July 21, 2012 | editors

Posted on 07/21/2012 5:05:35 PM PDT by nightlight7

First responders to the Aurora theater shooting at first thought the shooter was a fellow officer, and the shooter had taken 100mg of Vicodin about two and half hours before the shooting, according to information from sources.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: jamesholmes; shooter; theater; vicodin
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1 posted on 07/21/2012 5:05:44 PM PDT by nightlight7
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To: nightlight7

Vicodin doesn’t come in anything resembling a 100 mg dose. I have no idea what they are talking about


2 posted on 07/21/2012 5:09:02 PM PDT by Mom MD (T he country needs Obamacare like Nancy Pelosi needs a Halloween mask)
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To: Mom MD

2nd time today Ive seen reference to this dopey report.


3 posted on 07/21/2012 5:11:10 PM PDT by corkoman (Release the Palin!)
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To: Mom MD
I have never used Vicodin, but that particular aspect of the story was discussed here.
4 posted on 07/21/2012 5:14:40 PM PDT by nightlight7
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To: Mom MD
Vicodin doesn’t come in anything resembling a 100 mg dose.

It's probably a formulaic extrapolation from a blood test, i.e. his blood measured X-level of Vicodin 30 minutes ago, and X-level of Vicodin an hour ago, therefore he must have consumed X-amount X-hours ago.

5 posted on 07/21/2012 5:16:18 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: nightlight7

We must ban Vicodin! /s


6 posted on 07/21/2012 5:16:33 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: EEGator

It was a prescription drug! We must ban prescription drugs!


7 posted on 07/21/2012 5:23:07 PM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Mom MD
Vicodin doesn’t come in anything resembling a 100 mg dose. I have no idea what they are talking about

Niether do they.

8 posted on 07/21/2012 5:24:35 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I like your train of thought. While we’re at it, we must ban Pharmacies and doctors too!


9 posted on 07/21/2012 5:26:16 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: Mom MD

Well it didn’t say 100mg pill, it said 100mg of. So you could easily take 10 10mg pills.


10 posted on 07/21/2012 5:27:11 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore. We were duped.)
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To: nightlight7

Ban guns and prescription drugs! /s


11 posted on 07/21/2012 5:27:53 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Mom MD

So you can’t take multiple pills that are 10mg a piece?


12 posted on 07/21/2012 5:30:50 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

and salt, sugary drinks, and kids on skateboards!


13 posted on 07/21/2012 5:30:52 PM PDT by Kaosinla (The More the Plans Fail. The More the Planners Plan.)
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To: Mom MD

10- 10mg vicodin = 100 mg.


14 posted on 07/21/2012 5:31:56 PM PDT by Randy Larsen (Damned if I do, Damned if I don't. Damn it, I will!)
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To: ElkGroveDan
It's probably a formulaic extrapolation from a blood test, i.e. his blood measured X-level of Vicodin 30 minutes ago, and X-level of Vicodin an hour ago, therefore he must have consumed X-amount X-hours ago.

No, the story indicates that Holmes himself "told" the arresting officers that he'd taken "100 mg" of "Vicodin."

So, either Holmes didn't know what he'd taken, or the cops misunderstood what he told them, or the reporter's source that communicated this information screwed up, or the reporter misunderstood what he or she was told by the source. It could be anything . . . or nothing.

Given the quality of the press today, Holmes could have told the cops that he'd bitten head off a live bat beforehand, and this is how it got reported.

15 posted on 07/21/2012 5:32:59 PM PDT by DSH
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To: nightlight7

There are good articles, new stuff at the sideline of this article. Like

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31292353/detail.html

Neighbors Share Chilling Details Of Holmes, His Behavior


16 posted on 07/21/2012 5:37:28 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: snarkytart
Sure, you could take 10x 10/500 vicodins, but the problem is you'd be comatose, and your liver would practically explode from the acetaminophen content. That's 5 GRAMS of tylenol.

This is what is driving me nuts about the media coverage. So many "facts" that are not even remotely true, and could be figured out with just a little brainpower, and listening to what was actually reported.

No, he wasn't a medical student.

No, he wasn't a 52 year old Tea Party member.

No, he didn't take 100mg of vicodin.

No, he didn't buy a ticket wearing full body armor.

No, he didn't say "I'm the Joker" while shooting.

17 posted on 07/21/2012 5:41:34 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: txhurl; All

All these hundreds of stories about him are giving him exactly what he wants, attention.

He’s a murderer and deserves to rot in the pit of hell.


18 posted on 07/21/2012 5:42:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: nightlight7

LOL.....maybe “House” can take 100 mg, but...no way “Holmes”.


19 posted on 07/21/2012 5:47:20 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: nightlight7

How come the emergency door he propped open, was not detected by theater employees?

It’s the oldest ploy in the book to open the emergency door to let friends in who have not paid. Easy to arrange with cell phones.

So either the emergency door should have sounded an alarm, or should have been monitored be employees.

Of course this bastard knew that he could pull this off because he rehearsed door propping earlier.


20 posted on 07/21/2012 5:51:34 PM PDT by cicero2k
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To: driftdiver

He’s a murderer and deserves to rot in the pit of hell.


Agreed, but I sense there are a few associations of his that need to be discovered quickly so they can rot in hell, too.


21 posted on 07/21/2012 5:51:55 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: boop

lol Are you kidding? You think taking ten 10mg of Vicodin would make you comatose? No.
Especially if you’re used to taking them everyday or you’re addicted to them.


22 posted on 07/21/2012 5:52:38 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: cicero2k

Possibly he knew the alarm was disabled, or that it would be ignored for whatever reason. Being the apparent Batman and comic book hero geek that he’s purported to be, he’s no stranger to movie theaters and possibly knows that particular multiplex well, it’s only four miles or so from his apartment.


23 posted on 07/21/2012 5:55:52 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: nightlight7

This evil perp was brilliant. In addition to all of the rest of his preparations, he took enough painkiller that he could continue shooting people despite receiving wounds that would otherwise cause debilitating pain.

I don’t know his motive, but it is clear that he was very thorough in his preparation. It is as if he sat down and war-gamed shootings with a goal of just seeing how long he could keep shooting and how many people he could just impact.

My hat is off to him. Brilliant.

You never want brilliant and evil to intersect. You want evil to join stupid, so it has less impact. Evil and driven is bad enough. But when evil and driven have brilliant behind them, you get what we got in Aurora CO.

I would not want to be him when he stands before the Lord Christ for a long bitter discussion. All the Vicodin in the world will not dimple the crushing pain that will wrack his immortal soul when he stands before Christ and Christ says “you know what you did”. I pity him that.

In the meantime, a long parade of school teachers, Hollywood producers, journalists, and atheists all played a role in the creating this demonic monster.


24 posted on 07/21/2012 5:56:49 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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To: boop

Signal to noise, so much static that anything out of the ordinary is rejected. Clintons used it to great effect, so much unbelievability swirling about them that the brazen truth was rejected as a lie, too.


25 posted on 07/21/2012 5:59:05 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: nightlight7

Vicodin usually comes in 5 or 7.5 mg pills. Rare do you find 10mg. So he took about 15-20 pills. Cripes.


26 posted on 07/21/2012 5:59:12 PM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else)
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To: snarkytart

mmm...

I’ve known people with terminal cancer who could have all they want and doubt any of them took 100mg in 16-18 hrs.

Since ‘vicodin’ is hydrocodone with acetaminophen, it’s possible some Dumas reporter or LEO just got the facts wrong.


27 posted on 07/21/2012 6:01:34 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: snarkytart
I've been on oxycodone and hydrocodone for months at a time, several times, for knee injuries, and if ever took 100mg at once, even of hydrocodone, something would have been wrong with me, I can tell you that.

And that's not even considering the acetominaphen, like the others have said.

28 posted on 07/21/2012 6:10:41 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: nhwingut

My grandmother in her 80’s takes 3-5 10mg pills a day. It’s her tolerance to them that brought her to that level, especially common for those that are long term pain sufferers and have been prescribed this type of narcotic for long periods of time. She weighs a mere 110lbs and will be on them for the duration of her life. She started at 5mg some years ago, and it is up to the 10mg now, every four hours if needed. It doesn’t have the effect someone new to the pill would get.

Taking 10 10mg or 15-20 lower dose pills at one time would affect cognition I believe and if he did it to stay upright if taking hits it was probably methodically planned with tolerance levels built up. Just like the rest of his pre-planning that seemed long term. I personally think taking 100mg at one time, one could expect difficulty with breathing, seeing in the dark, and staying awake. If he was accustomed to them and built a tolerance level, he may have gotten a bit of a high or euphoria from taking them in that quantity.


29 posted on 07/21/2012 6:12:14 PM PDT by commonguymd (Freedom is a myth anymore. We were duped.)
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To: jjotto

I’m telling you people who are addicted or who are used to taking them can easily take ten pills. Five at one time, then a few hours later take another five.
It’s not gonna send you into a coma or kill your liver....at least not right away. If you do this over a period of time yes of course. Lets say this idiot was used to popping five to six pain killers a day. It wouldn’t knock him out to up the dosage a few pills for this one “special” occasion.

I had a cousin who spent thousands a month on pain killers because she’d take around 7 or 8 a day, and Vicodin isn’t even the strongest of pain killers.


30 posted on 07/21/2012 6:15:05 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: nhwingut

Wrong, they commonly are prescribed in 5 mg, 7.5 mg, and 10 mg depending on your pain and the willingness of the doctor.

I’ve seen loser pain pill addicts able to con a doctor into giving them 10 mg.


31 posted on 07/21/2012 6:18:06 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: 17th Miss Regt; EEGator
It was a prescription drug! We must ban prescription drugs!

It was something, anything related to the killings! We MUST ban Something, ANYTHING!!

32 posted on 07/21/2012 6:18:22 PM PDT by C210N ("ask not what the candidate can do for you, ask what you can do for the candidate" (Breitbart, 2012))
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To: nightlight7

So it was the AMA and NOT the NRA (as the New Yawk Daily Snooze ‘editorial board’ claims) who was “standing beside” Holmes when he was killing those people?


33 posted on 07/21/2012 6:21:45 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: snarkytart

Not to mention college age adults get them illegally all of the time. Finding someone selling 10 mg of Vicodin would not be hard for this loser especially if he’s meeting people online for group sex etc.


34 posted on 07/21/2012 6:21:45 PM PDT by snarkytart (http://www.freerepubli224%2C1)
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To: snarkytart

I asked a doper (since I’m sure there are none on FR), and he’s never taken 100 at a time but has taken 90, and knows of addicts who probably do 500mg in 24 hrs! Given varying individual tolerances, 100 is possible in one survivable dose, though I’m still skeptical one could function very well.

Learn something new every day...


35 posted on 07/21/2012 6:24:06 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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36 posted on 07/21/2012 6:26:25 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: DSH
So, either Holmes didn't know what he'd taken, or the cops misunderstood what he told them, or the reporter's source that communicated this information screwed up, or the reporter misunderstood what he or she was told by the source. It could be anything . . . or nothing.

Exactly. At this point, we know little for certain other than that this coward killed a lot of innocent people while dressed to protect himself. 'Course if he did indeed tell authorities he took that much vicodin, he could just be attempting a little CYA, in advance of a pharamaceutical Twinkies defense.

37 posted on 07/21/2012 6:27:40 PM PDT by dorothy ( "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: snarkytart
it's exceedingly powerful stuff ~ they gave me a vial of maybe 100 pills of Vicodin after eye surgery. Gave me another 100 pills of the same stuff after a little more aggressive type of eye surgery a month later.

I used 1 pill with the first and 1 pill with the second.

I preferred the pain quite frankly so I quit using them. They are all around here somewhere, but Vicodin is not a joke.

38 posted on 07/21/2012 6:33:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: snarkytart

That’s roughly 3250 mg to 5000 mg of acetaminophen, or up to 10 max strength Tylenol. The narcotic isn’t going to be what kills you. Plus, if he took it in th 5 mg dose, that would be 10000 mg. dead or nearly dead any way you pop it. This story is BS.


39 posted on 07/21/2012 6:41:08 PM PDT by BADROTOFINGER (Life sucks. Get a helmet.)
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To: eddie willers

http://www.drugs.com/answers/what-is-the-maximum-dosage-for-vicodin-in-what-367721.html

What is the maximum dosage for vicodin? In what milligram dosages are tablets available?

“Vicodin strengths come in 500mg, 660, and 750mg, the maximum dosage for this medication is 1-2 pills every 4-6 hours depending on severity of pain and that information changes with the max dosage allowable for the adult... which is not to exceed 1gram (1000mg)per dose/or 4 grams (4000)mg per day...”


40 posted on 07/21/2012 6:52:03 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Those numbers include the acetaminophen but don’t give the amount of hydrocodone.

http://www.drugs.com/search.php?searchterm=vicodinhttp://www.drugs.com/search.php?searchterm=vicodin

Vicodin contains a combination of acetaminophen and hydrocodone.

http://www.drugs.com/dosage/acetaminophen-hydrocodone.html

Usual Adult Dose for Pain

Initial dose:
1 tablet (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 500 mg-5 mg) orally every 6 hours as needed or
10 mL (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 333 mg-5 mg) oral elixir every 6 hours as needed or
15 mL (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 325 mg-10 mg) oral solution every 4 to 6 hours as needed or
15 mL (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 500 mg-10 mg) oral elixir every 4 to 6 hours as needed.
11.25 mL (acetaminophen/hydrocodone 300 mg-10 mg) oral elixir every 4 to 6 hours as needed.

Many different combination dosage forms of acetaminophen-hydrocodone are commercially available. In general, combinations with 5 mg of hydrocodone are given 1 to 2 doses every 4 to 6 hours, up to 8 doses per day. Combinations containing 7.5 or 10 mg of hydrocodone are given once every 4 to 6 hours, up to 5 or 6 doses per day (depending on how much acetaminophen they contain).


41 posted on 07/21/2012 7:05:49 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: nightlight7

This “fact” is about as relevant as whether the killer ate cereal for breakfast or had eggs instead on the morning of the crime.


42 posted on 07/21/2012 7:10:31 PM PDT by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: jjotto

OK, thanks for the dosage explanation.

I knew about the tylenol issue.

I know people who take large amounts of pain killers. It certainly screws up their life.


43 posted on 07/21/2012 8:04:33 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: nhwingut

I heard he injected himsself with vicodin on the news.


44 posted on 07/21/2012 8:26:51 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG ...)
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To: nightlight7

Maybe they meant Oxycontin. The delayed release tab comes in various amounts of Oxyxodone, up to 80 mg max.


45 posted on 07/21/2012 8:28:08 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Ken H
Oxyxodone = Oxycodone
46 posted on 07/21/2012 8:30:15 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: EEGator

What about banning movie theaters and schools?


47 posted on 07/21/2012 8:33:14 PM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Texas Fossil
That's what I was trying to get across in my post. That's why Tylenol has been sued. People don't realize that the acetaminophen can be very toxic. The max dose used to be 4000mg per day. Now they recommend a max of 3000 mg per day (6 standard 500mg tabs), and less than that if you drink alcohol.

Other pain med preparations especially oxycodone, have 325mg acetaminophen for this reason.

I didn't think it was "impossible" to take 100mgs of high dose vicodin, just unlikely. He might have been ok doing it once, but chronically? His liver would be damaged at that level.

My guess is he probably said he took some vicodin and "estimated" 100mg. Then the story was off and running.

48 posted on 07/21/2012 11:33:36 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: eddie willers
maybe “House” can take 100 mg, but...no way “Holmes”.

LOL!

49 posted on 07/21/2012 11:53:59 PM PDT by Eaker (When somebody hands you your arse, don't give it back saying "This needs a little more tenderizing.")
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To: Mom MD

HMMM. Interesting, the news is lying, covering up - surely they could get that one med he took correctly if they wanted to.

Wonder if they told him or he had the Rx bottle on him.


50 posted on 07/21/2012 11:54:11 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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