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Investigators track Colo. shooting suspect's ammo shipments
CBS News ^ | July 21, 2012 | by Bob Orr

Posted on 07/21/2012 6:32:22 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

(CBS News) Sources say investigators have found key evidence in dumpsters and trash bins outside of James Holmes' apartment, including a shipping label from an internet ammunition store called BulkAmmo.com.

Investigators also tell CBS News they have recovered a surveillance video of James Holmes picking up approximately 150 pounds of ammunition at a Federal Express outlet in Colorado.

They've interviewed a UPS driver who says Holmes had 90 packages delivered to his workplace on the University of Colorado medical campus.

And sources say over the past several months, Holmes spent about $15,000 as he was putting together his deadly arsenal -- guns, chemicals, explosives, and ammunition.

"Through the Internet he purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 3,000 rounds of. 223 ammunition for the assault rifle, 3,000 rounds of .40 caliber ammunition for the two Glocks in his possession and 300 rounds for the 12 gauge shotgun."

Holmes did most his shopping on Internet sites. And he was clearly in a hurry.

A receipt from TacticalGear.com shows on July 2 -- two-and-a-half weeks before the shootings -- Holmes purchased a bulletproof vest and other equipment. He paid extra to have it shipped by 2nd-day air.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: ammo; banglist; ecommerce; jamesholmes
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1 posted on 07/21/2012 6:32:31 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I wonder how many knee jerk dems will be running to the floor with bills outlawing Internet ammo sales next week?
2 posted on 07/21/2012 6:34:33 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“Holmes spent about $15,000”

Which begs the question- who was bankrolling this guy?


3 posted on 07/21/2012 6:36:51 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Through the Internet he purchased over 6,000 rounds of ammunition, more than 3,000 rounds of. 223 ammunition for the assault rifle, 3,000 rounds of .40 caliber ammunition for the two Glocks in his possession and 300 rounds for the 12 gauge shotgun."

I guess we need to ban the Internet or at least tax the he!! out of it's users and regulate it through the UN.

What do you think Mayor Bloomberg?

4 posted on 07/21/2012 6:36:54 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

$15,000? He must have had a lot more stuff than has been made public so far.


5 posted on 07/21/2012 6:37:22 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: GenXteacher

EXACTLY! One of the earlier stories CLAIMED he was “unemployed”...I am not into tin foil hats, but I seriously doubt this fella did this on his own...he got that money somewhere...and Im guessing NOT from his daddy.


6 posted on 07/21/2012 6:38:36 PM PDT by MagUSNRET
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To: GenXteacher

My first thought...fifteen thousand????


7 posted on 07/21/2012 6:38:55 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Obama: "Born in Kenya" Lying now or then.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

But they can’t find Hussein’s college transcripts?


8 posted on 07/21/2012 6:38:56 PM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: GenXteacher

exactly, who was giving him the dough?


9 posted on 07/21/2012 6:40:39 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: GenXteacher

Probably us. Through Eric Holder.


10 posted on 07/21/2012 6:40:48 PM PDT by Quickgun (Second Amendment. The only one you can put your hands on.)
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To: GenXteacher

He may have put his purchases on his credit card, figuring that when the bill came due he would be dead.


11 posted on 07/21/2012 6:41:31 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (this space for rent)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
(((YAWN)))

These "investigators" must be REALLY smart!

I don't think those people who were killed and wounded really care where the hell the "prepetual student" with the Ronald McDonald hair got the bullets. Only politicians and gun grabbers give a crap about that.

12 posted on 07/21/2012 6:42:43 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Let’s investigate how many payments Buckwheat and the rats got from Saudis who support terrorists.

Now that would be interesting.


13 posted on 07/21/2012 6:42:57 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Public unions exist to protect the unions from the taxpaying public)
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To: jjotto; GenXteacher; Oldeconomybuyer

He spent $15,000 on ammunition? Only God, and now the police, know how much was spent on other gear including weapons.

“Was someone bankrolling him?” is an excellent question.


14 posted on 07/21/2012 6:43:07 PM PDT by SatinDoll
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
(((YAWN)))

These "investigators" must be REALLY smart!

I don't think those people who were killed and wounded really care where the hell the "prepetual student" with the Ronald McDonald hair got the bullets. Only politicians and gun grabbers give a crap about that.

15 posted on 07/21/2012 6:43:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Without the Second Amendment, the other twenty-six will cease to exist.)
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To: GenXteacher

” Which begs the question- who was bankrolling this guy?”

Preppers?? That was a joke...


16 posted on 07/21/2012 6:43:12 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

No telling what they’re going to find on his computers they’ve no doubt seized from his apartment and workplace. Everyone who has ever been in email contact with him will be analized. If he was involved with the Black Block anarchists or the Obama Marxist WSO scumbags, et al, it’ll be tracked down. Watch the rats scurry for cover.

Oops. Unless, that is, it comes under Holder’s protective thumb.


17 posted on 07/21/2012 6:43:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Good point.


18 posted on 07/21/2012 6:44:04 PM PDT by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: GenXteacher

“Which begs the question- who was bankrolling this guy?”

Possibly a dozen or so credit card companys. It’s not like he was gonna be worried about paying them off.


19 posted on 07/21/2012 6:44:18 PM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Credit cards aren’t that hard to get. He could have maxed out several in the process of building his arsenal. If that’s the case, I guess he won’t be paying them off anytime soon.


20 posted on 07/21/2012 6:44:23 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I don't buy ammo but I would think even on the Internet
there would be some sort of register that the dealers would have to keep and if they sold so much to one person or
a certain dollar amount it would be reported to someone.
In California you can only buy so much cough syrup per month
they have a data base on that. I feel like someone was helping this guy and I mean someone higher up the food chain.
21 posted on 07/21/2012 6:45:03 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Fast and Furious 2

No way a Grad Student had the money to buy all that weaponry...no bleeping way

Hopefully we will find out who helped this guy.

And, hopefully, we will not have PhonyCons side with the Liberal Media...like they have done w the Obama Birth Certificate...to prevent the facts from getting out


22 posted on 07/21/2012 6:45:31 PM PDT by SeminoleCounty (Romney has foreign assets.....Obama has foreign birth certifcates)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

My husband commented this morning: Do you think this guy was all about implementing gun control, sacrificial lamb for the cause yada.

I blew it off as too far out but now I am starting to wonder.


23 posted on 07/21/2012 6:47:45 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I would like to know how someone who supposedly was pissed off that he couldn’t get “Anything better than a job at McDonalds” got his hands on 15 grand. Someone was supplying this guy with money, the question is who


24 posted on 07/21/2012 6:49:14 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Jim Robinson

That’s why we need to be turning over every rock to find every shred of evidence that even Holder dare not protect him this close to November.


25 posted on 07/21/2012 6:49:14 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: hoosiermama
My first thought...fifteen thousand????

My first thought .... OMG! Everything he did was legal!!!! And the government will spend millions tracking every legal purchase the maniac ever made.

Meanwhile, that same government has spent two years avoiding telling us anything about spending our money on legal weapons to illegally give to Mexican druggies.

26 posted on 07/21/2012 6:49:21 PM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: GenXteacher

...Which begs the question- who was bankrolling this guy?...

My guess ... Student loans.


27 posted on 07/21/2012 6:50:27 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: jjotto

“Holmes had 90 packages delivered to his workplace on the University of Colorado medical campus.”

90 Packages ordered on internet? This dove tails nicely with BO’s position paper on taking over the internet that was published in the WSJ the same day as the massacre.

I noticed yesterday that Yahoo was running the headline something like “Shooter purchased 6000 rounds on the internet”.


28 posted on 07/21/2012 6:51:19 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You can buy the plate carriers from TacticalGear.com, but here’s what they say about the bulletproof plates.

Note: This is a restricted item. You must have valid identification proving you are a military, law enforcement, or security professional to purchase.
Manufactured us


29 posted on 07/21/2012 6:51:38 PM PDT by FastCoyote (I am intolerant of the intolerable.)
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To: GenXteacher
Which begs the question- who was bankrolling this guy?

Now some of the witnesses are saying that someone in the theater let him in that door. What kind of guy gets geared up to do something like that and gets taken alive? And the reports from the jail of him spitting on the guards thinking he is in the movie. I'm thinking the shooter was supposed to be killed and the apartment blown up to obliterate evidence and scare us even more. Whoever ran this op screwed up and he lived and the bombs did not go off. Here's hoping they get his recruiters and programmers.

30 posted on 07/21/2012 6:52:22 PM PDT by atomic_dog
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To: Malone LaVeigh

That’s what I thought, as well.


31 posted on 07/21/2012 6:53:07 PM PDT by Girlene (Really!)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Yep - pretty much a no-brainer. Although probably numerous credit cards. I get 1 or 2 offers in the mail every day it seems. “Instant $5000 credit with no paperwork”....

Seems odd though to buy so much ammo so quickly and so soon before the shooting. A shooting where he obviously hadn’t planned to use all 6,000 rounds. I doubt he needed it all for practice.

I imagine he bought it in such mass-quantities for some ego thing. I read somewhere that on the adult sex-finder website he said his dick was small to average. Seriously - I bet he thought it made him more of a man having that much ammo around. And of course if money is no object - why not?


32 posted on 07/21/2012 6:53:17 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: funfan

“I don’t buy ammo but I would think even on the Internet
there would be some sort of register that the dealers would have to keep and if they sold so much to one person or
a certain dollar amount it would be reported to someone.”

Why? And report to whom?


33 posted on 07/21/2012 6:56:11 PM PDT by suthener
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To: funfan
In California you can only buy so much cough syrup per month

I can buy all the ammo I want over the counter here in Nevada without even showing ID.

I don't miss California a bit even after being born, raised and living there for 40 years.

Don't know about Colorado laws though.

34 posted on 07/21/2012 6:56:30 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Irenic
I blew it off as too far out but now I am starting to wonder.

I can't make that leap yet, not enough info out there yet.

If it does turn out to be true, I definitely wouldn't be surprised.

35 posted on 07/21/2012 6:59:19 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: MagUSNRET

He worked in the schools lab until he dropped out or maybe he was fired for ordering so much ammo at work.

He probably had access to chemicals and bio material in the lab. How do we know he did not add something to the gas canisters he set off? Why wasn’t there any hazmat decontamiation done on the hundreds of people in the theater?


36 posted on 07/21/2012 6:59:19 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Las Vegas Ron

What was his plan for 6,000+ rounds? He used only a fraction of that at the theater.


37 posted on 07/21/2012 6:59:52 PM PDT by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

James Holmes was obviously spending a great deal of somebody’s money in the process of accumulating this arsenal.

Questions: Where was the money coming from, and did he have accomplices who were aware of what he was planning?

There have been allegations that this was actually an “Occupy Black Bloc” operation, which means it was probably coordinated at a very high level. Considering the sudden virtual silence surrounding many of these circumstances, is my paranoia really getting the best of me, or are there really some puppetmasters pulling strings on a covert operation to spread distrust and terror among the civilian population?


38 posted on 07/21/2012 7:00:21 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I would think they would be a lot more interested in where he got the idea to shoot to begin with. The guns didn’t do the shooting, he did.


39 posted on 07/21/2012 7:01:21 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: SeminoleCounty

Maybe he used student loan money.


40 posted on 07/21/2012 7:04:16 PM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: umgud

I don’t think he counted on the police’s 1.5 minute response time at the theater. I really think he expected to drive away.

To TN, maybe? He could make that trip before dawn, and had TN plates on ‘whoever’s’ car.


41 posted on 07/21/2012 7:08:33 PM PDT by txhurl (Scott Walker is my President.)
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To: umgud
What was his plan for 6,000+ rounds? He used only a fraction of that at the theater.

Good question. According to the snooze reports he had buckets full of ammo in his apartment, the same place he rigged to blow up...It doesn't make sense.

Then again, maybe it's all BS?

I dunno...

42 posted on 07/21/2012 7:10:58 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I have read several articles that say the amount is closer to $20K, and the armor was high grade military as well as the trapping of the his apartment.
How did a guy who never had issues with the law and with no military experience plan such an event?
And why did he surrender without a fight?
Is it really that simple to buy the stuff and plan an assault such as this?


43 posted on 07/21/2012 7:12:35 PM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: GenXteacher
Which begs the question- who was bankrolling this guy?

The MOTHER knows the answer to your question. She knew all about it. That is the big mystery, and why (unfortunately, because I am already sick of it) this story will remain on the front page for weeks.

44 posted on 07/21/2012 7:13:43 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Spending $15,000 but not employed and collecting unemployment...and in a hurry? Something about this whole thing isn’t ringing true. Very strange.


45 posted on 07/21/2012 7:15:39 PM PDT by pepperdog (Why are Democrats Afraid of a Voter ID Law?)
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To: Bryan24
I would think they would be a lot more interested in where he got the idea to shoot to begin with. The guns didn’t do the shooting, he did.

Not when one's motivation is to STOP other Americans from purchasing ammo.

46 posted on 07/21/2012 7:16:45 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Libloather

The media has been able to find out more on this fellow in 24 hours than they have on obama in 51 years.


47 posted on 07/21/2012 7:19:35 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: 300winmag

Not exactly related but for those of you who missed this, as I did:

BREAKING: 43 Weapons in Phoenix Traffic Stop Linked to Holder’s Gunrunning Scandal – Justice – Fox NationJuly 21st, 2012 Premo MondonecloseAuthor: Premo Mondone Name: Premo Mondone
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About: Premo Mondone is the Host of BlogTalkRadio’s Red State Town Hall program. He’s also a lifetime Businessman and IT Professional.See Authors Posts (2387)

By: Lori Jane Gliha

The ABC15 Investigators have linked an additional 43 weapons recovered during a Phoenix traffic stop to the controversial Fast and Furious ATF case.

According to court paperwork, Phoenix Drug Enforcement Administration agents discovered the guns in mid-April. They pulled over a vehicle near 83rd Avenue and Interstate 10, near the Phoenix and Tolleson border.

Documents filed in federal court reveal five suspects named in the case are accused of conspiring to possess and distribute “500 grams or more of a mixture or substance containing a detectable amount of methamphetamine…”…

Agents recovered at least 59 weapons during the bust. The ABC15 Investigators found 43 are connected to the Fast and Furious case with certainty.

via BREAKING: 43 Weapons in Phoenix Traffic Stop Linked to Holder’s Gunrunning Scandal – Justice – Fox Nation.

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48 posted on 07/21/2012 7:21:14 PM PDT by WellyP (question!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
If it does turn out to be true, I definitely wouldn't be surprised.

I am still in the very apprehensive and doubtful column but I have stepped away from 'absolutely not'. But I agree, it wouldn't shock me now. Though, if it turned to fact, it would forevermore leave me with a difficult time doubting a thing.

49 posted on 07/21/2012 7:21:22 PM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: suthener
Oh I am not advocating for one I live in a State that monitors how much cough syrup you buy in a month I am just surprised there isn't one.
50 posted on 07/21/2012 7:26:31 PM PDT by funfan
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