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Disabled veteran says United Airlines staff kicked his service dog and asked if he was retarded...
DailyMail ^ | 21 July 2012 | Laura Cox

Posted on 07/22/2012 12:39:18 AM PDT by Daffynition

A disabled veteran and his service dog were abused by United Airlines staff, he has claimed.

Jim Stanek, a three-tour Iraq veteran suffering from post traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injury, said employees of the airline kicked his dog, Sarge, and asked him if he was retarded.

In a YouTube video the Paws and Stripes founder describes his ordeal which began on July 16 at Dulles International Airport in Washington.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: airlines; animalcruelty; dog; doggieping; military; ual; vets; workingdogs
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1 posted on 07/22/2012 12:39:24 AM PDT by Daffynition
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To: Daffynition
Stanek video
2 posted on 07/22/2012 12:42:52 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

This is painful -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr93KI6vaKE


3 posted on 07/22/2012 12:53:01 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi

Same link as in *Stanek video* ....painful? How so?


4 posted on 07/22/2012 1:00:33 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

WTH


5 posted on 07/22/2012 1:04:14 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Daffynition

WTH


6 posted on 07/22/2012 1:04:29 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Daffynition

How so?

I’ve got a sick feeling in my gut that is a precursor to something very, very bad.

Sorry I duplicated your link, I was busy watching the video and becoming progressively more irate.


7 posted on 07/22/2012 1:07:27 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Daffynition

All Wounds are not Visable.


8 posted on 07/22/2012 1:18:30 AM PDT by easternsky
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To: shibumi

My gut tells me it lacks some credibility. FWIW, deep in the vid,as Stanek recounts the 2nd incident of the dog being kicked, I wondered how the UA worker could have done that, if he was driving/steering the people carrier....seems strange to me.

Stanek does not have the same credibility factor I saw in Marcus Luttrell when he was telling his story.

If this is some kind of a ruse to gain sympathy/publicity for his foundation Paws and Stripes...all the work he has done for vets will be asunder. I apologize for being so cynical. I admit I am jaded.


9 posted on 07/22/2012 2:31:48 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

Well ..... I have a great respect for you and usually agree with the comments I see you make. I especially love your keen sense of humor.

That being said, I think we will have to agree to disagree about this. I have found my gut reactions to things like this to be mostly reliable. (I still try never to say never, so I’m open to the possibility you are correct, but my strong inclination is to believe Sgt Stanek.)

I don’t know, of course, what the extent of his injuries were, but I’ve met and known people with head trauma before. I’ve seen similar twitches and grimacing expressions. I did not read into that any attempt to deceive.

I will allow for the possibility that he may be somewhat confused about events, but I can say that I’ve experienced similar rude behavior with certain airline employees myself. And I’m not disabled or in need of special assistance.

I have a suspicious nature about certain things just as you do. but my suspicion runs more along the lines of wondering if the employee who kicked the dog was a Mohammedan, as they are notoriously “offended” by any canine presence. (A reaction, no doubt to feeling humbled in the presence of a nobler being.)


10 posted on 07/22/2012 3:11:01 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: shibumi
A reaction, no doubt to feeling humbled in the presence of a nobler being.

WOW!!!

Thanks! That comment made my morning.

11 posted on 07/22/2012 3:20:44 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Daffynition

The headline should read, “Disabled Vet Jailed For Beating The Living $hit Out Of UA Staff For Kicking His Dog”.

But maybe that’s just me......


12 posted on 07/22/2012 3:23:32 AM PDT by onona (6.5 out of 8 apple trees I planted this year are toast. Very sad.)
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To: shibumi

13 posted on 07/22/2012 3:25:45 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ScaniaBoy

I’m glad I could help.


14 posted on 07/22/2012 3:27:38 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I don’t suppose she’s down there begging for absolution, eh?


15 posted on 07/22/2012 3:29:13 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Daffynition

Need some firm evidence. It is ridiculous to bring forward such accusations without it, especially on youtube.


16 posted on 07/22/2012 3:33:01 AM PDT by gortklattu (God knows who is best, everybody else is making guesses - Tony Snow)
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To: shibumi; ScaniaBoy
I have a PTSD support dog.

Think they'd wanna kick *him*?

17 posted on 07/22/2012 3:34:05 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: Daffynition

I am doubting right beside you.

(18 plus minute video?!)

This man STARTS complaining about his dog not eating after a four hour span, if I understand correctly. If his dog is in dire need of food after four hours—he doesn’t need to be any part of Paws and Stripes. HE is NOT a responsible pet owner.

My dogs eat at 6-8am depending on their persistence verses my sleepy-headed self. The mister is home by 8 am and chow is certain by that time. They eat again at 4 pm and I can’t tell you how but they absolutely without a doubt know it is dinner time. They TALK not bark but TALK until I feed them. They could skip a meal the same as myself, if it is/was necessary.

I cook my dogs food but I would give them a burger if it was din-din time and they had missed a meal or two and I had nothing else to offer. Though, I would need to be more tuned into potty cues for sure!!! That wouldn’t be convenient. I have a rescue pup that has cost a bundle with her heat issues, that is where my cooking for the dogs started—I learned it is actually cheaper!

I have a hard time believing TWO employees were so “startled” by his dog that they kicked it?! Not once but TWICE. In front of the master and the world?! A vest wearing service dog? A employee kicked it and somebody didn’t video it and load it to youtube? The employees are that brazen and care so little for their jobs and critters that they would do such a thing?

Also, anybody kicks my dog when it is not attacking— I am on your azz like white on rice. That just isn’t going happen. I don’t care if I never fly again. You don’t touch my children and you don’t kick my dogs. That would make me very, VERY unreasonable! This military man dosn’t even say anything to the “gentleman”?!

“I didn’t feel like anybody cared” —isn’t that a mistake? I generally assume nobody gives a chit and the rest is gravy. If I vote for them, they better care or I don’t vote for them again. If I pay, care or I don’t give you my money again.

PSTD doesn’t just happen to military, I adore and love our military—my family knows a little bit about military and PSTD. I think this fella is trying to taking advantage of the situation and he is doing paws and stripes no favors.

The guy is a squirrel and in my opinion he comes off as dishonest. I don’t like him.

There—my 18 minute response.


18 posted on 07/22/2012 4:30:05 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: shibumi; Salamander
I have a great respect for you Shibumi...you're a straight arrow in my book..I could be very, very wrong about this, which I tried to temper by saying that it comes from my prejudice for being a cynic.

I have a traumatic brain injury [TBI] and understand the frustration of which Stanek speaks. If I were handed papers as he was, I know I would not be able to read and comprehend them in a timely fashion as I once was pre-TBI. Even if asked a simple question, I sometimes can't answer right away...and need to pause to process it B4 I can answer ..yeah...at times I appear to be *retarded*.

I think he was very good about recalling the events [in my brand of TBI...it would be impossible for me]...I was listening to the video, more than watching it [open in another tab], doing other stuff, so I didn't really pick-up on much facial stuff. I would have been cursing and swearing *long* B4 he did in all of this....I have no patience for stupid. Restraint be damned!

I did re-watch his cell phone video of the dog: Cell phone footage of Sarge at the airport after being kicked can be seen at 15:42.

I'd like to see what our *resident* dog-expert Salamander thinks; darling Sarge seems to be dreaming in the video [which would explain her respiration and shaking] ...which is why I think Stanek is somewhat exaggerating Sarge's trauma after being kicked. [**You can see that she is shaking like a leaf, her respirations [sic] are out of control, after having been kicked twice and spending all that time in the airport.**]

All that being said...God Bless Mr. Stanek and Sarge and Paws and Stripes. NO ONE should ever, ever be treated like that.

**You cant see all my wounds but I still feel like I need to be treated appropriately. I'm not asking for a red carpet, but just treat me the way that I need to be treated.** Amen to that. I hope the proper channels are being accessed in all of this....heads should roll.

19 posted on 07/22/2012 5:02:19 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Irenic

I don’t think I feel as strongly as you do, but I think it is kinda strange b/c I assume he is a frequent flyer....but I would know not to keep my essential meds in my checked in bag for fear it could be lost.


20 posted on 07/22/2012 5:10:01 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Salamander

Just got one of those myself. I call him the little four legged black and tan land shark or Maxwell for short.


21 posted on 07/22/2012 5:12:22 AM PDT by RC one (this space intentionally left blank)
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To: Lancey Howard

Someone ought to make a demotivational poster out of that as a definition of ‘irony’...


22 posted on 07/22/2012 5:12:42 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: onona

>>“Disabled Vet Jailed For Beating The Living $hit Out Of UA Staff For Kicking His Dog”.<<

*Twice* should go in there somewhere.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 5:15:19 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: onona
"The headline should read, “Disabled Vet Jailed For Beating The Living $hit Out Of UA Staff For Kicking His Dog”.

That was my thought also. If I had been there and seen it, It would have been me in jail. I would have cold-cocked the UA employee.
Totally unacceptable behavior from UA employees. I hope UA does a full investigation and if the story is true fire the employees that acted in a totally unprofessional manor.
Once fired they will then be at Mickey D's messing up our orders there.

24 posted on 07/22/2012 5:27:29 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: Daffynition; Salamander

Well, we can agree on the need to have this examined further, no matter how it turns out.

I would be very upset with Sgt Stanek if it turned out he was fabricating or over blowing these events. Just as I’d be pretty upset with the airlines if it turns out the event is recounted accurately.

I logged many hundreds of thousands of miles in the air during the 70s and 80s. Then I didn’t fly a whole lot for a number of years. Two summers ago, my wife and I flew to Ft Lauderdale on vacation and I was appalled at how the airline service (we flew United both ways, BTW) had deteriorated. I can honestly say that taking MAC flights to VietNam twice was a more enjoyable experience than that little jaunt. I guess I may be harboring some prejudice against them for a really miserable episode in an otherwise great vacation.

On a personal note, I was totally unaware that you had any sort of disability at all. You certainly have mastered communication and understanding in this medium!


25 posted on 07/22/2012 5:35:53 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Daffynition

“I admit I am jaded.”

I’m also somewhat jaded. Especially with the MSM. However, I’m sure they’ll have some surprises in store.


26 posted on 07/22/2012 5:37:28 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth again.)
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To: equaviator

I think it is interesting that Stanek went to YouTube to voice his concerns. I heard some talking head on Fox mention that YouTube is becoming a legit source for news info... as the lamestream news its credibility. Heh.

It disgusts me that *journalism* no longer exists and the news outlets are all about commentary. We’re doomed.


27 posted on 07/22/2012 5:54:00 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Dear Mr. 6-Pack

I’d be interested in your assessment of this story as I value your ability to judge character and clear thinking on fraudulent matters.

I think my emotions have overcome my ability to be rational about this.


28 posted on 07/22/2012 6:01:16 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Salamander

I was at at dog show recently where a lot of dobermans were showing. All I can say Is Whoa.


29 posted on 07/22/2012 6:08:15 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: shibumi
I don't fly any more ... if its east of the Mississippi...I drive...west...fugetaboutit!

Airports don't have fainting couches any longer....


30 posted on 07/22/2012 6:09:32 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

Unfortunately, that appears to be ‘pain breathing’.

I hope he had the good sense to have the dog checked for internal injuries.

I’ve seen *lots* of dreaming dogs and far too many injured dogs.

Is there any way to contact him and tell him to have the dog x-rayed like *yesterday*?

Dogs are built to conceal their pain as a survival tactic.

They can ‘hide’ a damaged liver/spleen/cracked ribs/etc until it’s too late to save them.

My Izzy was _bleeding out internally_ from taking Rimadyl which blew out her liver and I had *no* clue until I found her _dying_ one morning.

In less than a few minutes, she went from looking fine to dead.


31 posted on 07/22/2012 6:15:54 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: Daffynition

I could be a complete butthead but there is something about the man that I don’t like or trust.

I understand PTSD intimately and this fella just isn’t moving my heart strings or my pocketbook one bit.

Also, what loving owner stands by if their dog is kicked TWICE without reason? I can’t respect that.

I am not a man but a real man no matter their personal issue doesn’t allow the collared and semi defenseless being— be abused.

Actually, it goes against everything PTSD. I will leave it at that. I don’t connect to or trust the fella. I don’t care if he is ex-military or not.


32 posted on 07/22/2012 6:17:22 AM PDT by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheel barrow)
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To: freekitty

Absolutely magnificent creatures, are they not?

:)


33 posted on 07/22/2012 6:17:22 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: Daffynition

“I think my emotions have overcome my ability to be rational about this.”

I think that’s the same issue Mr. Stanek has. PTSD sufferers have a reduced ability to rationalize unfamiliar situations. When a situation gets outside their ‘rational zone’ things fall apart fast. Some have commented on him being trustworthy. He probably is not in this case since he’s all about emotions and reactions to being in an overwhelming situation which was directed at his sense of security and stability. His memory and thoughts are emotion-based and he may have other issues like depression going on.

He needs to go on some walks, deal with the anger and let go of the blame.


34 posted on 07/22/2012 6:22:05 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Salamander

Thanks for your reply. I believe you. While the video is kinda fuzzy...I thought Sarge looked like he was dreaming [nightmare from her ordeal]...with the eye movements and twitching leg/paw.

I think this is a general email addy: VeteranDogs*at*pawsandstripes.org


35 posted on 07/22/2012 6:25:11 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: RC one

LOL!

I assume your Land Shark is a pup?

He’ll grow out of it, somewhat.

Dobermanns are very “mouthy” and express their affection by taking your hand/arm/whatever in their mouth and gently holding it.

With needle-like puppy teeth, it’s not so much fun.

:)

When I leave the house, I say ‘Bye” to the dogs and tell Odin to “take care of the house and the girls” and as I shut the door, I reach in to him and he always ‘mouths’ my hand goodbye.

When I come back home, it’s the first thing he does when I come in the door...I think it’s kinda universal like “Aloha” to them, or something...;D


36 posted on 07/22/2012 6:25:47 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: Justa

Add to that a TBI...I’m tellin’ ya from experience...the slightest disruption/change [in my case] can throw you completely off...I think he referenced he *worked* on his emotions ....I can completely go off the handle....which is unlike the *old* me. It’s very frustrating...knowing what you were like *before* the TBI and what it’s like afterward/now.


37 posted on 07/22/2012 6:31:59 AM PDT by Daffynition (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Daffynition

The breathing was too fast and erratic for my comfort.
There seemed to more distress/emphasis on the exhale than the inhale which never a good sign.

If I saw one of my dogs breathing like that, I’d be freaking out and on the way to the vet.

As far as the guy himself goes, I have *multiple* PTSD from different event and in person, you might not like me so much if some ‘trigger’ occurred while you were standing there.

I’m not “me” until the episode passes.

FWIW, knowing how draconian the TSA is nowadays, I’m not even sure if I could’ve reacted ‘normally’ and beat the hell out of whoever kicked my dog.

[which, thankfully, is a moot point since Odin would be perfectly capable of dealing swift retaliation, himself]

PTSD comes in many ‘flavors’ and there’s no one on earth who can say exactly how it’s going to manifest at any given time or for any given situation.

[it does, however, consistently, seriously -suck-]


38 posted on 07/22/2012 6:36:09 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: Daffynition

I hear ya.

If I had a dime for every doctor’s report that included the loaded word “reactive”, I’d be rich.

Along with a patch on my vest that says “PTSD: Because not all wounds are visible” there’s another that says “Warning: Contents Under Pressure”.

I try to give people a humorous heads-up whenever possible.

The people that know me are careful not to push my buttons, bless their hearts.


39 posted on 07/22/2012 6:41:56 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: Daffynition

I posted to the YouTube channel.

Hopefully, somebody will get the dog checked over soon if it hasn’t already been done.


40 posted on 07/22/2012 6:46:29 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: Salamander; Daffynition

I checked their website and called. Obviously they’re closed today (especially at this hour) but I relayed the message about getting the dog checked out by a vet and X-rayed.

I’ll call them back Tuesday morning. That’s when they’re machine says they’re open for the week.


41 posted on 07/22/2012 6:51:39 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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***THEIR***

(Yes, I know - Duh!)


42 posted on 07/22/2012 6:54:43 AM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: Daffynition

Yet another nightmare story about United Airlines. It would not surprise me to know that most ground employees working at Dulles are Muslim, hence the treatment of the service dog. Hate that airport. Can’t seem to fly out of there without a full body pat down.


43 posted on 07/22/2012 7:34:14 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: shibumi

God bless ya.


44 posted on 07/22/2012 7:36:53 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: onona

“maybe thats just me” Thats a bunch of us.


45 posted on 07/22/2012 7:45:36 AM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: EverOnward

It was just a few minutes ago that I noticed “Dulles”.

NoVa is an epicenter for them.

*Lots* of them.

http://www.wnd.com/2006/10/38489/

And they need money?

http://www.adamscenter.org/

I’d really love to see *who* gave him a hard time and kicked his dog.

Possibly somebody who doesn’t love the US military?


46 posted on 07/22/2012 7:47:47 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: EverOnward

“Can’t seem to fly out of there without a full body pat down.”

You’re too sexy for your flight?
Too sexy for your flight?
Too sexy, is right?

;]


47 posted on 07/22/2012 7:50:21 AM PDT by Salamander (I laugh to myself at the men and the ladies who never conceived of us billion dollar babies.)
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To: Daffynition
If the guy's story is accurate, I feel for him and his dog. As others here have mentioned, his perception and recollection of events may be sharply skewed by his injuries. I'm sure United will probably issue a carefully crafted response, but without identifying the employees involved and getting a candid interview with them and comparing/contrasting stories, it's hard to tell.

While I have no doubts about shitty airline service (that's hardly a shocker) I am skeptical that employees were twice able to kick the dog in an airport terminal and a shuttle and no other witnesses have come forward or tried to intervene. Similarly, toward the end of the video things get a bit "infomercial" like when he says he's not calling for a boycott of the airline, but gives out the organization's contact info.

In any case, this is just one more reason why, when I travel, I drive and dog is my copilot.

48 posted on 07/22/2012 8:55:25 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Daffynition

Also...this, posted on July 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0CH3q82AkY

kind of sets my radar off.


49 posted on 07/22/2012 8:59:31 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Absolutely, especially when noticing his video of the airline episode is dated July 3rd, and his video appeal for $50,000 was uploaded to YouTube on July 20th.


50 posted on 07/22/2012 9:58:45 AM PDT by floralamiss
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