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'Dark Knight Rises' shooting: Three hero guys died in Aurora taking bullets for their girlfriends
New York Daily News ^ | July 22, 2012

Posted on 07/22/2012 6:40:48 AM PDT by SMGFan

In final acts of valor, Jon Blunk, Matt McQuinn and Alex Teves used their bodies to shield their girlfriends as accused madman James Holmes turned the Aurora cineplex into a shooting gallery.

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R.I.P. heroes.
1 posted on 07/22/2012 6:41:04 AM PDT by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

Aurora shooting victims: Heroism and heartbreak as last moments revealed
(Some of the victims & the injured profiled)

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/aurora-victim-matt-mcquinn-shields-girlfriend-samantha-yowler-heroic-act-article-1.1119157#ixzz21LsMuCDb


2 posted on 07/22/2012 6:43:05 AM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: SMGFan

:( The good die young. Bless the memory of those young men.


3 posted on 07/22/2012 6:45:15 AM PDT by madison10
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To: SMGFan; Anoreth
as accused madman James Holmes

"Accused madman"? What, is "madman" a new criminal charge? "We find the defendant guilty of first-degree madman, Your Honor."

4 posted on 07/22/2012 6:46:14 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Has anyone seen my marbles?)
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To: SMGFan

BTTT -

Nice tribute to the victims.


5 posted on 07/22/2012 6:49:09 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SMGFan

This is in direct contrast to the guy who bailed, leaving his girlfriend and two kids alone in the theater. He even drove away from the theater in his car, only driving back to get them when the “coast was clear.”


6 posted on 07/22/2012 6:49:14 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Tax-chick

Holmes is apparently just another registered Democrat.


7 posted on 07/22/2012 6:51:33 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SMGFan

Let’s hope it’s true, and this isn’t just an effort to manufacture a theme..


8 posted on 07/22/2012 6:55:48 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (If Bill Ayers had a son, he'd look like James Holmes.)
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To: SMGFan
It's unfortunate that these three even had to be heroes in the first place.

But Cinemark has a Zero Gun Policy at ALL its theaters. Which even yesterday they were still defending. So even people who could legally carry in CO, COULDN'T in their theater!

So the NUTCASE Holmes knew he had a Target Rich Environment. I'd expect Billions of dollars in Lawsuits against Cinemark. Hopefully enough to put them out of business as the blood is also on their hands for their 'Gun Free Zone' policy.

9 posted on 07/22/2012 6:59:21 AM PDT by Condor51 (Never mess with an old man. He won't fight you he'll just kill you.)
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To: SamAdams76

Ex-girlfriend. If she has anything resembling a brain.


10 posted on 07/22/2012 7:00:38 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SMGFan

Many survivors will face long term medical issues and permanent injuries. We haven’t heard details of all of the most critically wounded. No, I do hold it against the President when he visits. It is the right thing to do.


11 posted on 07/22/2012 7:00:59 AM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: SMGFan

Putting themselves in danger to protect others. Not a bad definition of valor. Well done guys. Truly, rest in peace.


12 posted on 07/22/2012 7:03:43 AM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obama now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: Condor51

And it appears to me he hoped his booby trapped apartment would explode by 1230 am and bring many police there. But the neighbor Mrs. Fonzi ( i saw her on FOX) did not open his door despite the loud music turning on at 12am. She called non emergency police number but no one arrived , music stopped 1 am.


13 posted on 07/22/2012 7:04:50 AM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: SMGFan

The polls in Colorado between Romney and B. Hussein Obama are very tight. By Democrat James Holmes (D-Aurora) taking out these three Republicans, it could give Obama this swing State (remember, Democrat James Holmes (D-Aurora) can still vote this November).


14 posted on 07/22/2012 7:12:52 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: SMGFan

Love expresses itself in sometimes the darkest of moments.


15 posted on 07/22/2012 7:15:07 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: Condor51
But Cinemark has a Zero Gun Policy at ALL its theaters.

I don't care where it is; if there's no metal detector, I carry.

16 posted on 07/22/2012 7:26:38 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: Condor51
Holmes came into the theatre with several firearms and the management did nothing to stop his entry.

That's the basis of 70+ lawsuits that will ruin Cinemark Holding!

17 posted on 07/22/2012 7:26:54 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Paladin2

This is me, not being surprised.


18 posted on 07/22/2012 7:27:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Has anyone seen my marbles?)
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To: MuttTheHoople
these three Republicans

I doubt the man with the rings in his lips was a Republican voter.

19 posted on 07/22/2012 7:28:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Has anyone seen my marbles?)
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To: Sherman Logan
I read that the running jerk proposed and she said yes.
20 posted on 07/22/2012 7:30:58 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult; Sherman Logan
I read that the running jerk proposed and she said yes.

I saw that, too, and thought it made no sense, since all the stories about them said he was her "fiance" to start with.

If we're going to use "fiance/fiancee" to mean "sex-partner," we really need another word for people who have set a wedding date and are in negotiations with the caterer.

21 posted on 07/22/2012 7:34:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Has anyone seen my marbles?)
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To: muawiyah

I understand he entered after buying a ticket at some point at witness saw he opened an emergency door and returned with his weapons from his car in the lot. Went to front of theater, tossed a can or 2 of gas and started shooting.


22 posted on 07/22/2012 7:42:28 AM PDT by SMGFan (SMGfan is not "Sub Machine Gun" fan)
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To: SamAdams76

“...only driving back to get them when the “coast was clear.”

He surrendered his Manhood that night and he’ll never get it back. Now he dies a thousand deaths.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 7:44:33 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult
These atrocities bring out the good and bad in people, what goes through a persons mind during this chaos?
24 posted on 07/22/2012 7:45:14 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits will only save this country.)
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To: muawiyah

You are probably right, but this is itself sad.

The theater could not have prevented this.

Does anyone seriously think he would have stood in line and turned away if told he wasn’t allowed in with his weaponry?

He came in the back way after disabling the emergency door. Such doors are necessary. I suppose the theater could have in place an alert device that would have sent an employee down to close it when disabled, but such devices can always be bypassed.

Our society always wants to find somebody to blame, other than the obvious perp, when something bad is done. After 9/11, some idiots wanted to blame the secutiry people at Logan, who only did their job as instructed. But sometimes, as in these cases, nobody else is responsible.

But the chain will probably go under.


25 posted on 07/22/2012 8:05:52 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SMGFan

That’s one of the roles of men, protecting women, not sending them off to war or in a squad car.


26 posted on 07/22/2012 8:19:17 AM PDT by pacific_waters
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To: Condor51

Hard to believe the number of people on here yelling SUE SUE SUE - whatever happened to tort reform? The responsible person here is HOLMES, not the theater, gun policy or no gun policy. If they DID allow CCW in the theater and (God forbid) a permit holder shot someone - would the theater be responsible for that also??


27 posted on 07/22/2012 8:25:14 AM PDT by conservaterian (Sarah/DeMint '12-XXX= Now what? Cain?XX Guess not. I GIVE UP)
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To: conservaterian

the only lawsuit should be the Tea Party Holmes against ABC and Brian Ross


28 posted on 07/22/2012 8:26:52 AM PDT by nascarnation
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To: Sherman Logan
Of course the chain will go under ~ this part of the holding company is responsible for only 500 theaters.

Did I just now notice the absence of the financial investment community who like to hector us about how 'Inactive partners' have no control, and because of that don't have to take losses?

There are always exceptions ~ find one of those inactive partners using his seat in the Senate or as owner of a newspaper and magazine trying to spread blame elsewhere and that passive corporate relationship won't count nearly as much.

There's a chance much more than the Cinemark chain will go under with this.

Capable attorneys are standing by day and night ........

29 posted on 07/22/2012 8:34:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Sherman Logan

You’re right - the theater couldn’t have prevented this. Luby’s Diner and Columbine High School couldn’t have prevented the terrible acts that occurred there, either.

The blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the perpetrators of those crimes.

My stake in all of this is in how I conduct myself. Will I willingly subject myself and my family to the whims of a society increasingly out of control? Will I think good thoughts and hope for the best? Or will I outfit myself with the tools necessary to defend myself?

Tough questions for a tough age.


30 posted on 07/22/2012 8:37:29 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Tax-chick
I doubt the man with the rings in his lips was a Republican voter.

You never know. I once worked with a real Goth-type girl. Rings in her lips, nose, and ears. She was one of the most politically conservative people I have ever met.

31 posted on 07/22/2012 8:41:23 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Tax-chick
"Accused"?

I know the legal process requires use of that word, but does anyone believe that there is not 100% certainty that he did it?

32 posted on 07/22/2012 8:44:34 AM PDT by Thom Pain (U.S. Constitution is a CONTRACT!)
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To: pacific_waters

Don’t you think if more men stepped up in this fashion, there would be no room in the military for opening up more dangerous jobs to women? It’s the generations of George Costanzas, sitting in front of their computers, who are the reason there aren’t enough men in the military/police forces to handle these jobs.


33 posted on 07/22/2012 8:44:48 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: TangoLimaSierra
I'm with ya on that.
But I'm in the 'Chicago Metro Area' which makes things a little more difficult and needs a lot more 'discretion' in the state, and especially in the Chicago city limits.

The fact is that the Crook County Prosecutors (States Attorneys) LOVE going after suburbanites, and/or those of us in the 'collar counties'. They'll nail us to the wall with a Felony on any gun charge like we're John Dillinger -- no matter what the circumstances are/were of the firearm violation. And ditto if you should get caught with a pocket knife and the blade is 1/8" above the 'legal length', BINGO -- Felony charge.

But they'll plead down gun charges to misdemeanors for the ghetto rat gang-bangers like they're first cousins. And drop any knife violation as a waste of their time.

34 posted on 07/22/2012 9:06:37 AM PDT by Condor51 (Never mess with an old man. He won't fight you he'll just kill you.)
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To: SMGFan

“He always wanted to be a superhero, he’s wanting to save someone or do something greater” (From the article at the link)

“That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle.” and “Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep”. (From the article at this link http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2908964/posts (”I Only Hang With Sheepdogs”, referencing “On Sheep, Sheepdogs, and Wolves”))


35 posted on 07/22/2012 9:06:46 AM PDT by KrisKrinkle (Blessed be those who know the depth and breadth of their ignorance. Cursed be those who don't.)
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To: Tax-chick

You’d be surprised. There aren’t many ways left to be a counterculture rebel, but one of them in heavily leftist areas is to buck the liberal norms politically. You might not recognize the variety of political not-liberal or even be disturbed by it, but they’re there, particularly among the males. A lot of them are the die-hard young Paul supporters.


36 posted on 07/22/2012 9:20:41 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: KrisKrinkle

Mr. Blunk’s wife is being really good about this, all things considered. My sympathies to her and his young children.


37 posted on 07/22/2012 9:29:18 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Has anyone seen my marbles?)
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To: RegulatorCountry; Leaning Right
There aren’t many ways left to be a counterculture rebel, but one of them in heavily leftist areas is to buck the liberal norms politically.

Interesting point. Unless someone runs his voter registration and all that, it's just speculation, anyway.

38 posted on 07/22/2012 9:31:05 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Has anyone seen my marbles?)
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To: Thom Pain

Even when the perp is dead on the floor with the gun in his hand, the news still says “alleged” or “suspect.”


39 posted on 07/22/2012 9:33:31 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Has anyone seen my marbles?)
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To: muawiyah
Correct. By Cinemark's corporate policy of denying their patrons their legal right to self-defense, it became Cinemark's legal duty and responsibility to defend them from harm.

So like as you say they (management) 'allowed' Holmes to enter with all those weapons by not having adequate security in place. Ergo, they are going to be in a 'world of hurt' (financially).

40 posted on 07/22/2012 9:33:42 AM PDT by Condor51 (Never mess with an old man. He won't fight you he'll just kill you.)
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Ex-girlfriend. If she has anything resembling a brain.

No Brain. Technically Ex-girlfriend since she now is his fiance. The guy proposed to her in the hospital and she accepted!! No lie!

41 posted on 07/22/2012 9:37:01 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: muawiyah
That's the basis of 70+ lawsuits that will ruin Cinemark Holding!

Then they will all hire the guys who aren't smart enough to work for TSA (IQ under 70) to do strip searches and fondling of their customers.

42 posted on 07/22/2012 9:40:12 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Tax-chick

There is a substantial subset of the Goth subculture that is right wing. Been there, done that, in the mid-late eighties. I’ve understood it to have expanded since, though some are right wing in the European model with all the baggage that that entails, and more are classical liberal in the vein of right-libertarian. The left-libertarians gravitate to the anarchists, the burn it all down crowd, which is another subgroup with little crossover. For all their apparent decadence and disregard for societal norms, there’s a sort of love for history there, distorted though it may be, that would preclude any nihilist desire to destroy anything but themselves.


43 posted on 07/22/2012 9:45:03 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: SMGFan

’d say the lessons learned are:

1) Make sure your CC (concealed carry) weapons have a well adjusted laser.

2) Target practice like crazy, practicing shooting while diving, running, jumping out of helicopters and repelling down walls if possible

3) save lives first then worry about CC restriction laws later

Several people doing 1, 2 and 3 in the theater might not have helped anything but it could have evened the odds when his AK jammed.


44 posted on 07/22/2012 9:48:11 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: Sherman Logan
I would agree with you on that point, but there's an obvious flaw in your argument. Your point is a perfectly legitimate defense of a company like Cinemark if they did nothing to deter a loony-tune from entering the theater and shooting dozens of people. Because let's be honest here -- there simply isn't any way for a business to ensure that all of its customers are fully protected from each other.

However, when a company issues a stated policy of restricting law-abiding gun owners from bringing weapons into their place of business, they have effectively taken upon themselves the responsibility of keeping their customers safe.

So -- yeah, I think Cinemark is going to be sued out of existence. And rightfully so, if they do in fact have a documented policy prohibiting people from carrying weapons into their place of busines.

45 posted on 07/22/2012 9:48:14 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: conservaterian

See my last post. If the theater did not have the resources on hand to protect its patrons, then it should have had no policy at all about allowing people into the theater with guns. They would have been better off being silent about the whole thing, and deferring to state law as a legitimate defense if they ever faced a lawsuit under the circumstances you’ve described.


46 posted on 07/22/2012 9:50:59 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I will wager a rather large sum of money that the issue over which they are sued is failure to keep the perp and his weapons out, not their policy of prohibiting concealed carry by patrons.


47 posted on 07/22/2012 9:51:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: muawiyah
Holmes came into the theatre with several firearms and the management did nothing to stop his entry.

More to the (legal) point: Cinemark, by prohibiting the means of self defense, accepted responsibility for the safety of its customers, and thus are liable.

48 posted on 07/22/2012 9:52:52 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (I'm a constitutionalist, not a libertarian. Huge difference.)
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To: Sherman Logan
No lawyer is going to file a legal action in this case without covering every legal base, so you are likely to be only partially correct.

The problem here is that we're discussing a situation that can't possibly be tested because the conditions simply don't exist here. We'd have to find a comparable situation where a loony-tune carried out a similar attack in a movie theater with no policy on firearms and see how they fared in the subsequent civil lawsuits.

49 posted on 07/22/2012 9:59:42 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Sherman Logan

P.S. Personally, I wouldn’t do business with a company that had such a policy in place — because I see it as an explicit acknowledgement by the company that they cater to a customer base that includes criminals, mutants and various other assorted misfits.


50 posted on 07/22/2012 10:01:37 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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