There are still heroes, but the liberal education system and the brainwashing from movies has changed the definition for most.
True conservative, American values have been demonized.
“But then the cops and families will show up and thank you for putting Jack the Ripper down.”
Slight correction...
“But then the cops and families will show up and arrest you, after pissing their little panties at the sight of some blood.”
I do! But, prepared if needed.
First I heard of that. Is it true, or is he exaggerating for effect?
“That’s why, as responsible citizens and gun owners, we must always be ready and must always expect it because when it happens, it happens fast; if you’re not ready, you and others are screwed. “
Responsible gun ownership is responsible citizenship. And the time to confront evil is at the point of contact.
He is exactly right, But here’s how it would play in the Media had such a citizen tried to stop Holmes with a gun.
‘Five innocent people were killed when two men started shooting at each other in a crowded theater last night.’
It will be interesting to see if there is a surge in CCDW permit applications. Some will probably be discouraged by the cost.
$52.50 for the application plus <$100 for training.
CCIC Fingerprint check $17.50
InstaCheck $13.00
FBI Fingerprint check $22.0
ping
In the hopey chngy new socialist America only the upper class are allowed to be heroes, the worker class must be compliant with no hints of placing themselves in harms way to save others.
But I hear there was possibly three heroes, three young men saving their girlfriends at the theater, so the morning MSM says.
It’s that time of the year again here in Indianapolis.
“Expo”.
You know the one.
So, I forgot that and took the kids to the mall because it was too hot to go to the park. Crowds everywhere, and the vast majority of the new faces were well-behaved. However, roving bands of saggy-pantsed “urban youths” roving about, with mallcop security quadrupled (at least).
As we walked, my youngest daughter (holding my hand) said, “You have your gun, right?” I swung my hand (and hers) to the hard bump beneath my shirt and she looked at me and smiled.
I don’t care how small the gun has to be to fit, I’m carrying EVERYWHERE.
I remember a few years ago there was a similar shooting incident at a Colorado church. While several people were killed, the lone assassin was taken down by an armed female guard saving many lives.
I support 2nd amendment rights and I hold CCPs from several states. I usually carry, but would have left my firearm in the car due to the "no gun" policy of the theatre and mall.
That said, what if I had been there and had ignored the property owners legal request? It is a darkened theater full of smoke and screaming people. The killer is wearing black body armor. All I can probably see are muzzle flashes.
Nevertheless, I rise calmly from my seat and quicky drop the bad guy 40 feet away with a double tap between the eyes.
Or not. I'm good, but I'm not that good.
Keep in mind, he has the advantage of being able to "spray and pray." I don't have that luxury. At 40 feet, he with a rifle and body armor, I my 9mm and batman t-shirt, he with a great chance of hitting something when he pulls the trigger, me squinting through the dark and smoke for a target......well, I am overmatched. Don't get me wrong: it is my duty in that situation to engage and I would have, but upon opening fire....doing what I was taught and aiming for center of mass in the dark....I would have hit his body armor. The odds are very high that I would have gone down.
And the headlines the next day: CONCEALED CARRY MAKES NO DIFFERANCE IN KILLING SPREE. The anti gunners win another round in the 2nd amendment battle.
How many of you CC guys train for THIS scenario? I am thinking about adding laser or light to my CC firearm....but none of the holsters I've been able to find fit a gun with a light or laser.
This is just a bad deal all around.
It’s an interesting scenario, however, as former Washington state CCW (and a current Czech Republic CCW - yes, you can get one here, provided you’re a permanent resident alien with a clean record from here and your home country, and you have to demonstrate firearms proficiency including marksmanship; oh, and you also have to undergo a psych exam) permit holder, I wouldn’t have returned fire except for under very clearly delineated circumstances, and here’s why.
The theater was inundated with tear gas; this would make it very difficult to properly acquire when you simply can’t see. The shooter threw in 2 tear gas grenades, which are available online easily enough, and then ones I looked at are 6 ounce size, military grade, capable of covering a 23,000 cubic foot area in 1 minute. You can find them at www.KeepShooting.com.
Aside from that issue, this is a semi-darkened environment, with only ambient light coming from the screen. Add to that this is now a tear-gas filled environment, and after the third round or so was fired, a tear-gas filled, semi-darkened environment now in a state of panic
So; you have a theater filled with low-light conditions, tear gas, and panicking people, and the perp is clad in black, with protective gear. He’s also shooting randomly.
The ONLY way in which I would use my CC pistol in this scenario is if the prep is 5 feet away or less, and provided that at that point, my vision had somewhat recovered to the point that I could actually clearly acquire the target.
If someone had returned fire, yes there is a chance he would have hit the shooter, though under the circumstances, probably not so good a chance. There’s just as equal a chance that someone returning fire would have hit an innocent bystander. Remember, when people panic or find themselves in extreme situations, they often act irrationally, and I’d imagine there were a lot of folks irrationally running pell-mell throughout that cinema.
If the hypothetical innocent person mentioned above survived the accidental injury, you can pretty much rest assured that a CCW responder would likely have his/her keester sued off for medical costs, pain and suffering, etc. A nice fat civil lawsuit, in other words.
Me? I would have tried to get myself into a defensive position, pistol at the ready, and only shot the perp (again, provided I could clearly acquire him) at close range, with a clear shot, and with no panicky people anywhere near my line of fire.
There’s a lot of folks out there in the world who think they’re John McClane, and they’re just gonna stand up and say, “Yippee ki yay, M*****F****r” and blow their target away with a clean single shot. Perhaps under the most optimal of conditions, that’s possible; however people must bear in mind that the conditions in which this massacre took place were far from optimal. Walking around with the notion that a CCW makes a person into a justice-dispensing Harry Callahan or Paul Kersey or Judge Dredd is not a responsible attitude to have when you carry a tool which literally has the power of life and death at your immediate disposal.
Life is not a “Die Hard” film.
When seconds count, the cops are just MINUTES away.
It appears Holmes had thought about that. Why else would he go in there with all that protective gear?
The most famous statement about carrying a gun for protection “when seconds count the police will be there in a matter of minutes” was proven when the police chief of Aurora said “we were there within 2 1/2 minutes after the call was received.”
Well! There you have it! The reason to carry.
Leave the tackiness to the Left.