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First off, where in my remarks do I sound “collective”? That’s a very dumb assumption, or a jump to a conclusion which is not merited at all.

Not really. When you expressed concern over their individual liberty (which includes their economic freedom and pursuit of happiness.. sound familiar?) vs the interests of overall society, citing the economy, hc industry, and patients. Of course physicians are elements of the hc industry and hc is approaching 1/5 of the economy so they're intertwined and that question is moot. Clearly your concern was tinged with collectivism, you just didn't realize it.

If he had not brought up his wife’s predicament, and how the stimulus and Obamacare were of no help, then the rest of his statements would have had a lot more credibility.

He was using his wife's predicament to illustrate the larger issues to which we are all exposed-- a common literary device. Would you have preferred a "composite character?" :) And I think you unintentionally miscast his perspective as someone else did earlier. A closer reading should reveal he asserts that OC will pile on more regulations and intensify existing problems. In the next quote you indicate that you have long...in fact, being among the "first," to recognize and oppose this very legislation and its destructive ramifications.

Regarding Obamacare, I’m the first one to call it a monstrosity, and a destructive force, which will destroy this country a lot faster than the current big government social programs already in full implementation

So, you too, by your admissions oppose OC, but you're suspicious of providers who feel as you do.

First off, where in my remarks do I sound “collective”? That’s a very dumb assumption, or a jump to a conclusion which is not merited at all.

Not really.

I stand by my statements, and you still don't have good reason to twist what I said into some perception of "collectivism".

When you expressed concern over their individual liberty (which includes their economic freedom and pursuit of happiness.. sound familiar?) vs the interests of overall society, citing the economy, hc industry, and patients.

You should be working for Obama and the democrats, because, you have a talent for twisting what is said into something completely different and devious.

Clearly your concern was tinged with collectivism, you just didn't realize it.

Yet, I'm probably one of the most ardent opponents of any kind of government program, or socialized spending for "the good of the people", which ALWAYS comes back to destroy an economy and a country. But, you, clearly, are into just twisting what is said into something that suits your way of thinking, with no attempt to follow exactly what it was that I was trying to say. Like I said, you would make a good "minister of information" for the democrats and Obama. Perhaps you could apply for Obama's press secretary, if Obama does get another 4 years.

If he had not brought up his wife’s predicament, and how the stimulus and Obamacare were of no help, then the rest of his statements would have had a lot more credibility.

He was using his wife's predicament to illustrate the larger issues to which we are all exposed-- a common literary device. Would you have preferred a "composite character?" :)

His wife is "the" issue that brought up his lament about what Obamacare would do to his wife, and his life, and his wife serves him quite well as "the literary composite character", which, to him and a lot of other people, might make his case a bit more believable, because, it's a first case encounter with Obamacare. There is no better "literary tool" than that where one is the "leading character" and "victim", and one who is looking for sympathy.

And I think you unintentionally miscast his perspective as someone else did earlier.

I didn't consider what others have to say about the doctor's intentions, and if they were making the same argument as I am, then they're very smart people. ;) I'm arguing from a perspective that perhaps others haven't analyzed a bit deeper.

A closer reading should reveal he asserts that OC will pile on more regulations and intensify existing problems.

I never denied that he's making that argument. What I'm saying is that, perhaps his lament would be different, or perhaps even non-existent, if Obamacare and/or the stimulus package had made it possible for her to get into a residency program somewhere. That is the only angle for my argument, where the doctor seems to be indicating that, Obamacare and/or the stimulus didn't help his wife and others like her. So, I'm asking if the doctor would feel differently if his wife had, in fact, found some help in Obamacare or the stimulus.

In the next quote you indicate that you have long...in fact, being among the "first," to recognize and oppose this very legislation and its destructive ramifications.

It's not just Obamacare; it's any program which is mandated or requires that, government be the "provider" of anything that people might want or need that go beyond those already mandated in the constitution, like national defense and a system of justice. Obamacare is the resurrection of Hillary-care, except this reincarnation is on steroids, but, in both cases, I was completely against them. There is absolutely no reason for those kind of programs to get government involvement or government control.

Regarding Obamacare, I’m the first one to call it a monstrosity, and a destructive force, which will destroy this country a lot faster than the current big government social programs already in full implementation

And, I still feel that way. There is nothing wrong with those remarks, and I would make them again with no hesitation.

So, you too, by your admissions oppose OC, but you're suspicious of providers who feel as you do.

Perhaps you're having a hard time understanding what I'm saying, or perhaps I'm having a hard time making myself understood by you, but, "OC" is an abomination and a monstrosity, which, if allowed to go into full implementation, or even partial, will speed up the dismantling of the U.S.

What I am suspicious of, is someone who laments the predicament of his wife, while seeming to state that, one of the problems with Obamacare is the fact that, it doesn't allow for people like his wife to find residency openings which would allow her to eventually practice medicine in the U.S. So, the question becomes, for the doctor: if "OC" or the stimulus had allowed for more residency openings in the U.S., would he be condemning them as much as he seems to be doing. He is stating "a" problem with Obamacare, and not that the whole program stinks to high heaven.