Skip to comments.Was James Holmes, Suspected Aurora Shooter, Inspired by Batman? [actually, Batman enemy, The Joker]
Posted on 07/22/2012 9:43:41 AM PDT by ETL
"Violence like the massacre that happened in Aurora, Colo., today is a staple of action films, including Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. A similar, now haunting, scene unfurls in "The Dark Knight Rises" when a masked villain leads a violent gang into a packed football stadium and deploys guns and explosives on the unsuspecting crowd.
While there has been no indication as to the motives of James Holmes, the suspected 24-year-old shooter who is now in custody, new evidence suggests that he was inspired by the Batman series of comic books and/or movies.
Law enforcement sources confirmed to ABC News that Holmes said "I am the Joker" when apprehended by authorities. His hair was painted red, the same hair color of Heath Ledger's Joker at one point in 2008's "The Dark Knight."
There are more parallels. In Frank Miller's iconic 1986 comic book series, "The Dark Knight Returns," the Joker murders a television studio audience by deploying "smile gas." Holmes began his massacre by setting off smoke bombs throughout the theater.
In the same book, Arnold Crimp, a disturbed man who just lost his job, pulls out a handgun in an adult film theater and kills three people. A scene from the strip shows a news anchor saying, "Three slain in Batman-inspired porn theater shoot-out." ..."
(Excerpt) Read more at gma.yahoo.com ...
From Breitbart, one day before the shooting...
("Dark Knight" was ANTI-Occupy, PRO-Capitalist)
From Time.com, Nov 2011...
"Occupy Oakland Embraces Nonviolence, but Debates [considers] 'Black Bloc' Tactics"
Does the popular culture encourage violence in some elements of society? Duh.
His inspiration? See tagline.
I agree. Those screeching for censorship of films need to worry about a far more dangerous villain like Ayers, Van Jones, Gore, and many more.
I really don’t think painting Batman as an evil, conservative TEA Party member is going to work out for the commie ‘RATS.
So, it seems to me that the only 'gun control' that should be employed after this tragedy is to ban all guns, their use thereof and associated violence from Hollyweird movies, TV shows, etc. ...... /S (You know the lib directors, actors would be screaming bloody heck .....)
The left desperately wants to change the subject away from Hollywood movie violence to the NRA. Wanna guess why? On a completely unrelated note...Morgan Freeman (stars in Batman movie with James Holmes inspiration, “The Joker”) gave the Obama campaign a million dollar contribution. I wonder if anyone will call on Obama to return that money...
“Does the popular culture encourage violence in some elements of society? Duh.”
Ya think? Fifty years ago practically every rural or semi-rural boy owned a .22 rifle and most were hunters, and yet there weren’t any school, or other mindless massacres like today, so one has ask oneself, “What has changed”?
From wiki, with links to sources at site...
"In 1986 Hamburg squatters mobilised following attacks on the Hafenstraße. A demonstration of 10,000 took to the streets surrounding at least 1,500 people in a black bloc. They carried a large banner saying "Build Revolutionary Dual Power!" At the end of the march, the black bloc then engaged in street fighting that forced the police to retreat. The next day 13 department stores in Hamburg were set alight, causing nearly $10 million in damage. Later that year, following the Chernobyl disaster, militant anti-nuclear activists used the tactic.
On 1 May 1987, a peaceful peoples fest in Berlin-Kreuzberg was attacked by West German police. In consequence of the unprovoked attack, thousands of people attacked the police with rocks, bottles and Molotov cocktails. The riots became famous after the police had to completely pull out of the so called "SO 36" Neighborhood in Kreuzberg for several hours, and rioters looted shops together with residents.
When Ronald Reagan came to Berlin in June 1987, he was met by around 50,000 demonstrators protesting against his Cold War policies. This included a black bloc of 3,000 people. A couple of months later, police intensified their harassment of the Hafenstraße squatters. In November 1987, the residents were joined by thousands of other autonomen and fortified their squat, built barricades in the streets and defended themselves against the police for nearly 24 hours. After this the city authorities legalised the squatters residence.
On 1 May 1988 [Communist May Day], radical left groups organised a May Day demonstration through Berlin-Kreuzberg, ending in riots even heavier than the year before. The police were attacked with steel balls fired by slingshots, stones, fireworks and Molotov cocktails. On 2 May, headline of the Berlin newspaper B.Z. was "Beirut?? Nein, das ist Berlin!" (Beirut?? No, it´s Berlin!). The riots finally became a tradition in Berlin-Kreuzberg and have recurred every 1 May since, but never as fatally as in the first two years. When the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund met in Berlin in 1988, the autonomen hosted an international gathering of anti-capitalist activists. Numbering around 80,000, the protesters greatly outnumbered the police. Officials tried to maintain control by banning all demonstrations and attacking public assemblies. Nevertheless, there were riots and upmarket shopping areas were destroyed.
In the period after the Berlin Wall, the German black bloc movement continued traditional riots such as May Day in Berlin-Kreuzberg, but with decreasing intensity. Their main focus became the struggle against the recurring popularity of Neo-Nazism in Germany. The "turn" came in June 2007, during the 33rd G8 summit. A black block of 2,000 people built barricades, set cars alight and attacked the police during a mass demonstration in Rostock. 400 police officers were injured, and also about 500 demonstrators and activists. According to the German Verfassungsschutz, the weeks of organisation before the demonstration and the riots themselves were amounted to a revival for the militant left in Germany. Since the "Battle of Rostock", traditional "May Day Riots" after demonstrations every May 1 in Berlin, and since 2008 also in Hamburg, became more intense, and violence of the autonomen against police officers and political enemies at demonstrations of radical left groups have dramatically increased.
"Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, kill your parents, that's where it's really at"
--Bill Ayers (1970), quoted in New York Times, September 11, 2001:
Article: "No Regrets for a Love Of Explosives; In a Memoir of Sorts, a War Protester Talks of Life With the Weathermen"
"Dig It. First they killed those pigs [ie, rich people], then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victims stomach! Wild!"
-Weather Underground leader and wife of Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, referring to the Manson murders
Article: Allies in War -by David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | Monday, September 17, 2001
Bill Ayers: "I considered myself partly an anarchist then and I consider myself partly an anarchist now. I mean, I'm as much an anarchist as I am a Marxist which is to say I find a lot of the ideas in anarchism appealing."
"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English..."
"It was at the Chicago home of [Bill] Ayers and [Bernardine] Dohrn that Obama, then an up-and-coming 'community organizer,' had his political coming out party in 1995. Not content with this rite of passage in Lefty World where unrepentant terrorists are regarded as progressive luminaries, still working 'only to educate' both Obamas tended to the relationship with the Ayers."
Article: The Company He Keeps:
Meet Obamas circle: The same old America-hating Left
Sorry, ABC is not a credible news source.
Where is the booking photo. Tired of this H S mug shot. Lets see the moron for what he is.
You might want to do a wiki search of Andrew Kehoe before declaring that there were no school massacres. The worst in US history was in 1927.
but all the media will talk about is the movie.
Somebody needs to start asking the media what "Black Bloc" is. Repeatedly.
Batman movies may be a bit of a special case, what with fanatical fanboys trolling the Internet to root out negative opinions of their supersolemn hero. But the Dark Knight's acolytes don't have a monopoly on intolerance of dissent. They're part of a rising tide that threatens to drown Internet discussion in shrill opinion. The editors of Rotten Tomatoes have the right to excise such clearly intolerable comments, and the responsibility to improve procedures for screening out new ones. Once that's done, however, the comments function should be fully restored. Free speech for the many shouldn't fall victim to abuse by the few.
I may have saved my life without realizing it by liking "The Dark Knight Rises" sufficientlyor disliking it with sufficient restraintto have my review categorized as "ripe" rather than "rotten" on Rotten Tomatoes, a popular website that aggregates movie and DVD reviews. For those of us who write about movies to provoke discussion, these reductive categories are awfully silly, but they're also symptoms of the love/hate, either/or ethos of contemporary discourse. In the realm of the Internet, as well as talk-radio and politics, that discourse has been growing ever more poisonous, and now the poison has contaminated Rotten Tomatoes. Earlier this week the website was forced to shut down its user comments on "The Dark Knight Rises" when negative reviewsofficially adjudged "rotten"by two of my colleagues, Christy Lemire and Marshall Fine, provoked floods of vile responses that included death threats
Most of these things of recent times are 'copycat' crimes, influenced in part by excessive social network and media attention.
People have no interest in anything that might suggest that the US wasn't a perfect paradise until 1960.
More often than not, these lunatics are hard left politically. ie, the “Unabomber” (pro-revolution, anti-Capitalist environmentalist wacko), IRS building plane crasher (quoted Marx to sum up his many-page ‘manifesto’), Amy Bishop (worshiped Obama), Lee Harvey Oswald (Castro-loving communist), on and on... But then, one would have to be nuts to support extreme left causes. So simply saying they’re crazy doesn’t eliminate a genuine political motive.
I still have to read more about this Black Bloc business - never heard of them.
The Dark Knight is a movie that gets watched over and over at out house.
The past couple of days I’ve been thinking over the scenes where the Joker gives Harvey a “push” into insanity - and later explains to Batman the difference between “them” (they are “different” and “freaks”) - and the normal citizens Batman is trying to save. Joker goes into how he drove Harvey over the edge.
You can see how it would appeal to someone who views themselves as an outsider looking in and has contempt for regular folks.
“our house” not out house. LOL.
Put your armor on as the apologists for this kind of infantile comic book movies descend on you. They don’t know that by defending the comic book movies they are also defending rap “music”, death metal and pants hanging down to the the knees, ghetto culture as primitive and simplistic as the comic books with faggy men in tights playing macho like Rock Hudson played macho with Doris Day.
The inspiration doesn’t much matter. Our opposition thrives on chaos. And The Divorce is coming.
Assuming this nut job was indeed a member of the 'Occupy' Black Bloc. I doubt they'll bother looking very deeply into it. And even if they do, they'd no doubt look for some way to dismiss or 'rationalize' it. They did this with the Weather Underground. ie, "they were noble sorts who perhaps went a bit too far trying to end an unjust war, blah, blah, blah"
reminds me...in The Dark Knight the Joker describes himself as an agent of chaos.
"Brilliant" is NOT the word I would use to describe the GMA staff.
have you actually seen the movies?
They have conservative themes throughout.
This new one appears to really bash the Occupy crowd.
The Dark Knight addresses problems when dealing with a terrorists - people who, themselves, have no code of conduct - no rules - anarchists.
Well, of course there were flaws in American society before 1960. There was violent crime, there were drugs, and there were girls who got pregnant without a husband. But, I think it’s good to note that various problems such as these have gotten much worse since 1960.
Indeed, and if I’m not mistaken the Bath School Massacre still stands as the worst school-related mass murder in U.S. history.
Somehow, I don’t think reading the funny pages caused Mr. Kehoe to blow up a school full of kids.
The only paper that set him off was that property tax bill.
One of the few things we know about Holmes is that he apparently hated rap music.
Yep. This sort of thing has always happened but how it was reported has changed and we have 24 7 cable news. Plus there are more people meaning more opportunities for it to happen.
Somebody needs to start asking the media what "Black Bloc" is. Repeatedly.
Excuse me. It's past high time to exit their fantasyland and demand they acknowledge reality.
“reminds me...in The Dark Knight the Joker describes himself as an agent of chaos.”
Yep. And ultimately that’s what motivates a lot of our politics. Never letting a crisis go to waste and such.
It will end. And relatively soon. People in certain geographic areas will simply decide that being part of a suicide pact is not for them.
If you mean that in the sense that their title is misleading: that the shooter was inspired by the conservative champion Batman, as opposed to his enemy, The Joker, which he admits to, I would strongly agree.
Question should be, which no media person will ask, was James E. Holmes doing the bidding of left-wing, Obama inspired, “Occupy Wall Street”? Methinks we will never know. Wonder how that guy got thousands of bucks and put together a flawless terrorist plan all by his lonesome??? Strange, isn’t it!!!
I personally think Kehoe was a latent serial killer anyway. Mother died then his step mother died while Andy apparently watched. He was known to have an explosive temper, cruel to his farm animals, obsessive compulsive.
He apparently got a big federal grant.
He didn’t build that pile of bodies alone.
I’d hate to think how Kehoe would be covered by the media today, what with his obsession with taxes.
More like Cesar Romero from the TV series.
The author of that 2-part piece you posted writes like an over-educated moron. Can barely understand what he’s saying, or trying to say.
I have been wondering ... and searching ... for his booking photo as well. How is it that we hear he has orange hair but that is not the photo. The most recent pic of him that I have seen is of his dating site page where he DOES have orange hair.
I heard that Holmes was caught in the parking lot by police. Was he not trying to escape? Seems like he would have had time to get out of there before the police arrived.
If you mean generally speaking, whether there is a Black Bloc connection to James Holmes or not, absolutely. But don't count on it. They basically let the Weather Underground off the hook (well intended, but not-the-best tactics).
I'm only trying to point out the pro-Conservative, pro-Capitalist political messages in the Batman/Dark Knight film series that MAY have driven this infantile nut case to do what he did. I wouldn't even consider going to see a movie like this, or most others for that matter.
He misjudged the response time.
Apparently police were already on the scene prior to shooting since that was common practice during midnight showings.
He must’ve thought there would be enough commotion to just walk out that side door and slip into his car.
He was also high on vicoden.
Bingo. If people on here actually watched the movies, they would see that the Joker would be the one leading the violent black bloc anarchists. A great quote from the 2nd movie regarding the Joker, “Some people just to watch the world burn” in regards to his motivations.