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NCAA source: "Unprecedented" penalties against Penn State
CBS ^ | 7.22.2012 | CBS

Posted on 07/22/2012 11:19:02 AM PDT by Morgana

(CBS News) CBS News has learned that the NCAA will announce what a high-ranking association source called "unprecedented" penalties against both the Penn State University football team and the school.

"I've never seen anything like it," the source told correspondent Armen Keteyian.

NCAA President Mark Emmert will make the announcement Monday morning at 9 a.m. at the organization's headquarters in Indianapolis.

The penalties come in the wake of the independent report by former FBI Director Louis Freeh that chronicled repeated efforts by four top Penn State officials, including former football coach Joe Paterno, to conceal allegations of serial child sex abuse by Jerry Sandusky over a 14-year period.

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KEYWORDS: joepa; ncaa; pennstate; sandusky
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1 posted on 07/22/2012 11:19:11 AM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

Hopefully death to football at Penn.


2 posted on 07/22/2012 11:24:08 AM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

That and after the victims are done with the lawsuits I hope it is nothing more than a trade school!


3 posted on 07/22/2012 11:25:19 AM PDT by Morgana (This space for rent. Cheap.)
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To: Morgana

How many state universities does Pennsylvania have? Where else would they go?


4 posted on 07/22/2012 11:26:15 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Morgana

If they are as severe as suggested here, and no reason to think there’s any hyperbole here, this will end their membership in the Big Ten as well. As SMU has shown, you can’t ever really come back from a “death” penalty.

Who would ever work for such a program? I feel just a bit for the students...but Penn State is not going to be a school worth going to for a very long time...that’s what transfers are for.


5 posted on 07/22/2012 11:35:10 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Jonty30

Just exactly are we trying to punish here? The gay pedifile, the people that failed or the young men playing and trying to get an education?

Punish the guilty but don’t punish those not even there at the time.


6 posted on 07/22/2012 11:39:53 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: Morgana

Really it’s a puzzle why Penn State did not dump this guy and turn him over to the police when they found out. Sandusky must know something more than grabbing footballs.

Why were they afraid of exposing Sandusky? Were they protecting more than the football program?


7 posted on 07/22/2012 11:40:41 AM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: dfwgator

“Where else would they go?”

Do you mean the students?

I donno how about other states? Penn State did this to themselves after all.


8 posted on 07/22/2012 11:41:41 AM PDT by Morgana (This space for rent. Cheap.)
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To: Jonty30

At a minimum the football program should be completely dismantled. This activity should be a fatal blow to any program. My personal opinion is the crime itself is one matter committed by a psycho sicko but the institutional wink, nod and coverup is unforgivable.


9 posted on 07/22/2012 11:46:25 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
As SMU has shown, you can’t ever really come back from a “death” penalty.

Kentucky basketball did.

I don't think Penn State will.

10 posted on 07/22/2012 11:48:35 AM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: edcoil

Students can transfer schools and their scholaships with them.

This went to the top at Penn State, as far as the president’s office.

That school needs to be destroyed brick by brick.


11 posted on 07/22/2012 11:49:03 AM PDT by Morgana (This space for rent. Cheap.)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

SMU is at least respectable now, with June Jones coaching there.

IMHO, the death penalty was the best thing that ever happened to SMU for their academics.


12 posted on 07/22/2012 11:51:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: edcoil
The gay pedifile, the people that failed or the young men playing and trying to get an education?

If the young men are trying to get an education, most likely they'll be permitted to continue as scholarship students at Penn State. And they want to continue playing Division 1 football, the NCAA will certainly allow them to transfer - and if Penn State thought enough of them to offer them full ride scholarships, so will plenty of other good Division 1 programs.

This isn't a punishment so much as an enforced re-ordering of Penn State's messed up priorities - priorities fostered by Joe Paterno and the others who abetted Sandusky's crimes (and with the Freeh report it's become clear that that's exactly what Paterno did).
13 posted on 07/22/2012 11:54:06 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: CommieCutter

Penn State’s days were over regardless, the balance of power in college football is firmly in the south......top players don’t want to play up north in the cold, when they can play in warmer places in the SEC and Big 12. Note that in recent years, the Big 12 has shed most of its’ more Northern schools.


14 posted on 07/22/2012 11:54:18 AM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: edcoil

It is a lesson to be learned by all that the “unintended consequences” of those hurt by others is real and is just part of the penalty portion of those consequences.

Our society has been so desensitized and tolerant of abhorrent behavior that if there are no innocents affected, except those who were raped by Sandusky, there would not be a lesson learned to translate that pressure to other places in our society that have the same problems staring them in the face and doing nothing about it.

Accountability only begins with those negatively affected being able to tell all just how much of a burden they have been saddled with because of others inaction and ambivalence.

Idol worship is at the heart of this whole sorted story. The book of Genesis covers the consequences of this quite clearly.


15 posted on 07/22/2012 11:54:52 AM PDT by mazda77 ("Defeating the Totalitarian Lie" By: Hilmar von Campe. Everybody should read it.)
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16 posted on 07/22/2012 11:56:07 AM PDT by randita (Either the politicians fix our fiscal insanity, or the markets will.)
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To: dfwgator

I agree. See Notre Dame.


17 posted on 07/22/2012 12:02:13 PM PDT by CommieCutter
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To: ex-snook

“More” than the football program? At Penn State? There is nothing “more”.


18 posted on 07/22/2012 12:02:22 PM PDT by stormer
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To: dfwgator

“How many state universities does Pennsylvania have? Where else would they go?”

Other public state universities include University of Pittsburgh,Temple and Lincoln University. Also their is the PASSHE system of state universities which are 14 in number and include Slippery Rock, Clarion, Mansfield Universities etc.


19 posted on 07/22/2012 12:03:24 PM PDT by takbodan (.)
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To: dfwgator

“...top players don’t want to play up north in the cold, when they can play in warmer places in the SEC and Big 12”

Yeah, ‘cause they’ll never have to play in the cold in the NFL.


20 posted on 07/22/2012 12:03:33 PM PDT by happyathome
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

It’ll be interesting to watch which universities descend upon Happy Valley to pick the carcass clean.


21 posted on 07/22/2012 12:09:02 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: dfwgator
"....top players don't want to play up north in the cold...."

Oh booshwa.

Football players do not mind playing in the cold (mostly). The south has other enticements, such as all the great TV exposure that aspiring NFL wannabees crave. So they shun the TV graveyards of Notre Dame, Ohio State, Michigan, etc.

22 posted on 07/22/2012 12:16:16 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: ex-snook

Sandusky coached at Penn State for more than 30 years before his forced “retirement” in 1999. My guess is that his “activities” dated back decades, and both Joe Paterno and university officials were aware of them. You may recall that Penn State authorized a payment of $168,000 to the pervert one year after he retired and conferred “emeritus” status on him, despite his lack of a graduate degree.

College coaching staffs work side-by-side, 18 hours a day, for nine months out of the year. Friends in the profession tell me there is “no way” tthe staff didn’t know what was going on years before, yet no one did anything. My theory is that the PSU football brand and the JoePa legend had become so important that PSU was willing to protect them at all costs—even if it meant covering up for a pedophile coach.

Can’t wait to see what sanctions are handed down by the NCAA. However, I believe the Nittany Lions deserve nothing less than the death penalty. This is the worst scandal in the history of college football; young men had their lives dsstroyed by a serial rapist who was allowed to continue his activities for decades. If that doesn’t reflect a lack of institutional control, I don’t know what does. And surely, you’d think the NCAA guidelines would include penalties for a member school that engaged in a criminal conspiracy.

Last week, I heard the Big 10 is considering a measure that would allow the conference commissioner to fire any coach or administrator at a member school that violates NCAA or conference rules. What an appalling commentary on the state of collegiate sports. By considering that rule, the Big 10 is admitting that its members literally can’t control their own athletic programs.

If that’s the case, it’s time to shut everyone down.


23 posted on 07/22/2012 12:17:28 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook (uoted)
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To: diogenes ghost
The south has other enticements, such as all the great TV exposure that aspiring NFL wannabees crave.

Which SEC school has a deal with NBC to show all of their home games, like Notre Dame does?

24 posted on 07/22/2012 12:17:32 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: edcoil

The football program is the idol here. Get rid of the idol then you get rid of the culture. They aren’t getting rid of the academics program or even the other sports (probably), just the football program. Any present players or signed recruits aren’t victims here. They might want to attend Psu, and they may, but any of them could easily have predicted what might come to pass then opted to stay and pay for an education or transfer. Of course, perhaps the ncaa committee might let them keep their scholarships for academic purposes and let psu take the financial hit. Guess we’ll know more tomorrow.


25 posted on 07/22/2012 12:19:01 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: Morgana

-shut it down for five years and let ‘em stew in it. Maybe they can come back and do the right thing.


26 posted on 07/22/2012 12:19:38 PM PDT by 4buttons
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To: diogenes ghost

The women at schools on the south a hotter.


27 posted on 07/22/2012 12:20:36 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: Morgana

What NCAA rules were broken?


28 posted on 07/22/2012 12:25:13 PM PDT by Sloth (If a tax break counts as "spending" then every time I don't rob a bank should be a "deposit.")
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To: dfwgator
top players don’t want to play up north in the cold, when they can play in warmer places in the SEC and Big 12.

I would think the new coach at Ohio State may have a beef with what you wrote!

29 posted on 07/22/2012 12:31:39 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: edcoil

So we shouldn’t punish criminals, because we’d also punish the people who love them?

I’m sorry if it’s going to punish the good men who like to play football, but the board, when it choose to overlook Sundusky’s extra-curricular activities, should have realized that it might have meant the end of football at Penn State.

At the very least, the whole program, and anybody connected to it, should be given a thorough scrub before it be allowed to rejoin. The only people I would not punish for this are those who honestly can show that they could not have known.


30 posted on 07/22/2012 12:34:24 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Sloth

Don’t waste your time.

FR is no different than the entire media on this point, which seems to be engaged in a massive battle to see who can overreact the most.

If everything we’ve read is true, then the “guilty parties” at the university are either a) dead, b) in prison, or c) currently facing trial. The people who will be punished by the NCAA for a situation that did not involve any actual athletics programs are a) the residents of State College, b) students and student-athletes who were mostly in middle school when this happened, c) small business owners in State College, and d) Penn State alumni, all of which had nothing to do with the actual crime.

The NCAA referred to their punishments as “unprecedented” because they have thus far ignored all of their standards (investigations and hearings) and are accepting the Freeh report as basis for sanctions. They’re also possibly acting well beyond their actual authority, which can only be done with the willing acceptance of the University.

Make no mistake, the mob rules at this point. George Zimmerman has no chance. The reaction of many people, including the vast majority of FR, to this topic makes the reaction of the NBPP in Florida look reasoned in comparison.


31 posted on 07/22/2012 12:36:49 PM PDT by flintsilver7 (Honest reporting hasn't caught on in the United States.)
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To: CommieCutter

I’d like to see ND come to the Big Ten w hat in hand looking for a spot. Their days as an independent school will have to come to a close if they want to remain a contender for any national championship. Their ham-fisted attempt to influence those in charge of deciding the four teams by demanding strength-of-schedule as a major part of the formula was laughable at best. Go IU!


32 posted on 07/22/2012 12:38:23 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: Morgana

Joe and Sandusky will become icons of the gay community. Let them march in their disgusting parades and all normal people will eventually realize same-sex rape of young boys is what yet remains in their closet. Keep outing gays on this issue and eventually they can be forced to shut their coprophilic mouths.


33 posted on 07/22/2012 12:39:25 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: rawhide

Ohio State might be very good under Meyer, but he will not win a title there. In fact, he probably won’t be beating Meechigan all that much, judging by how they’ve out recruited OSU so far.


34 posted on 07/22/2012 12:44:34 PM PDT by dfwgator (FUJR (not you, Jim))
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To: Jonty30

Your anger is misplaced. The target should not be an athletic program, but same-sex deviants who pretend to be so gay and loving. The gay obsession with every organization with young men and boys should be readily apparent and should be the target of your wrath. Just look at what they are now doing to our military.


35 posted on 07/22/2012 12:44:58 PM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Good points. I wonder if the Big 10 read your post and thought, “Oh yeah, we guess we would look kind of helpless giving Jim Delaney the power to fire our coaches. Duh!”.


36 posted on 07/22/2012 12:48:47 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Good points. I wonder if the Big 10 read your post and thought, “Oh yeah, we guess we would look kind of helpless giving Jim Delaney the power to fire our coaches. Duh!”. Theyve since decided against that idea.


37 posted on 07/22/2012 12:49:04 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: Morgana

I hear they’re slashing their $100 Booster Handshakes to $50.


38 posted on 07/22/2012 12:52:57 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: flintsilver7

95% of the German people didn’t participate in Genocide, but they still had to pay for what the Nazis did. Also, you CAN’T tell me that State Penn fans didn’t know there was something wrong with sandusky.


39 posted on 07/22/2012 12:57:04 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Obama does not have the work ethic to be Anti-Christ.)
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To: ExNewsExSpook

Well put. I also think this did not first come to notice in 1999. True, that the football plug was pulled on Sandusky. He was not invited to coach elsewhere. But they did keep him around so I also think that Sandusky was protected for more than just football.


40 posted on 07/22/2012 12:59:20 PM PDT by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: ex-snook
I seem to remember Penn state's president declaring his goal was to make Happy Valley the most gay friendly campus in the nation

It seems he didn't have much work to do

I wonder if that is in part why this was allowed to go on and on?

“the most gay friendly campus in the nation”

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41 posted on 07/22/2012 1:00:18 PM PDT by Elle Bee
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

As SMU has shown, sometimes a sports death penalty induces a major boost tou your academic prowess.

Penn State has recieved a massive cash influx from the alumni this year (about five times what a year of football produces) so there is every chance that this can be a positive for the school in the long run.

Justice needs to be done, even if doing so threatened the existance of the university. Outside of hysterical hyperbole, it does not.


42 posted on 07/22/2012 1:06:38 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Sloth

The worst: Lack of institutional control. It shows that the administration has let the football program hold too much sway. It’s the one “sin” every school tries to avoid being charged with because if they can’t control their own program then the ncaa says “too bad, you can’t play in our sandbox... come back when you decide how to play by the rules”. Indiana University was bending over backwards a few years back when, after stupidly hiring a basketball coach, Kelvin Sampson, who already had been charged with crimes against the ncaa while at Oklahoma, was caught making illegal three-person phone calls to recruits. IU, on their own, gave up scholarships and restricted their ability to recruit. They did this ahead of ncaa sanctions to try to show some level of “we’re sorry”. They still kicked our butts but it could have been worse if we hadn’t shown remorse. The funny thing is that the same “sin” IU was punished for then is now legal with the ncaa. Pennstate has shown their “remorse” by only now deciding to take down the statue of JoeFlaw, the day before the sanctions. I think it’s going to be a lot too little way too late.


43 posted on 07/22/2012 1:11:37 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch ( if you love, you will not condemn, and if you condemn, you cannot love)
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To: Morgana

Students can transfer schools and their scholaships with them.

Not true.

If they transfer, it is a one year waiting period. One of the things the NCAA must address if they sanction the team.


44 posted on 07/22/2012 1:58:47 PM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: MrEdd

“Penn State has recieved a massive cash influx from the alumni this year”

How much of a massive cash influx, in the form of Federal government student loans? ...along with all the other “free tolerance” anything goes “institutions”?


45 posted on 07/22/2012 2:02:25 PM PDT by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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To: Jonty30

“So we shouldn’t punish criminals, because we’d also punish the people who love them?”

Let me understand this, according to this logic you are good with banning all guns in the country because of one guy in Colorado too?


46 posted on 07/22/2012 2:08:09 PM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: flintsilver7

The people who will be punished by the NCAA for a situation that did not involve any actual athletics programs are a) the residents of State College, b) students and student-athletes who were mostly in middle school when this happened, c) small business owners in State College, and d) Penn State alumni, all of which had nothing to do with the actual crime...

...if that’s your main point, then simply replace the place name State College with any other place name where a college program has been sanctioned and, well, I think you’ve pretty well described the effects of said sanctions on that place...

...I’m sure you know this...just curious why you apparently think anything should be different for PSU and State College...


47 posted on 07/22/2012 2:09:44 PM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Morgana

NOTICE TO BOY SCOUTS:

This is why you were SO RIGHT to ban homosexual scout leaders. This is what happens when you admit the rump riders.


48 posted on 07/22/2012 2:19:44 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Neoliberalnot

Most people associated with the athletics department, including many athletes, knew about Sandusky and chose to do nothing.

To not cleanse the department of every one of them is to be supportive of those who harm children.


49 posted on 07/22/2012 2:28:34 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: edcoil

I don’t know how you define logic, as this isn’t an example of logic.

Some random guy in Florida, who owns a gun, likely doesn’t know anything about James Holmes.

However, most people, in the athletics department or on the board at Penn State, knew all about Sandusky, and chose to look the other way. Nothing less than a complete cleansing of the department is in order.

But I know how precious football is to you. You’d rather keep the people who supported Sandusky employed.


50 posted on 07/22/2012 2:32:10 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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